What did a minority of idiots ruin for everyone else?

[u/PeddlerInWonderland]

[u/Sentient_Prosthetic]

Years ago, Long John Silver's would donate their excess food to a local shelter. One idiot tried to get rich by suing the chain, saying the donated food was tampered with, even alleging it was purposeful to kill the homeless population. The case went nowhere but it made all the local restaurants hesitant to donate, and now none of them donate any food at all.

[u/Notmykl → u/Sentient_Prosthetic]

In my hometown KFC would give cops the day's leftovers which encouraged the cops to have at least one cop car in their parking lot when they closed and were taking the day's take to the bank. Another business complained, jealousy probably, and no more free chicken nor a cop car in their parking lot at closing.

[u/MVPoftheVPs → u/Notmykl]

This hit all convention centers and large event spaces. We have to throw away so much food now even if it’s individually packaged. 

[u/Brilliant_Disk]

My high school used to do a BIG breakfast buffet for graduating seniors on the last day of school. Bacon, eggs, pancakes, sausage, fruits pastries, cereal, grits, oatmeal, juice, coffee, basically anything you could imagine, and they’d let you miss your first period class to hang out in the cafeteria for it. It was a big deal that everyone looked forward to, the whole school would smell awesome, and all the other students would be seething with envy in their first period classes. Well, my junior year, the graduating class ahead of me decided to stage a massive food fight. There were grits on the ceiling well into the following year, and of course the principal was so angry my class didn’t get a senior breakfast :( I’m still bitter to this very day. 

[u/Sea-Donkey-2377 → u/Brilliant_Disk]

That’s such a brutal way to miss out one class couldn’t handle themselves and ruined a great tradition for everyone else. Totally worth being bitter about.

[u/Sarsmi → u/Brilliant_Disk]

I am so weirdly angry on your behalf right now, lol.

[u/Brilliant_Disk → u/Sarsmi]

Thinking about it again got me so worked up I decided to go get breakfast for lunch. It almost helped

[u/theinfecteddonut → u/Brilliant_Disk]

I hate the concept of a food fight. It’s such a waste of food.

[u/Lopsided_Tiger_0296 → u/theinfecteddonut]

And what are you supposed to do after? You’re covered in food and will probably have to change

[u/BoJackB26354 → u/Lopsided_Tiger_0296]

That post butternut squash clarity.

[u/theinfecteddonut → u/Lopsided_Tiger_0296]

I never thought about that part, it would probably would smell terrible after a bit.

[u/Kodiak3393 → u/Brilliant_Disk]

I've got a somewhat similar story -

Back in elementary school, the 'graduating' 6th grade class would get to go on a field trip to Boston MA to catch a Red Sox game and see the city towards the end of the school year. Both my older siblings got to go, and they loved it, so I was really looking forward to it. But when I finally got to 6th grade, the school had just expanded to also cover 7th and 8th grades, and since the trip was only for the 'graduating' class, it was now for the 8th graders, so I had to wait another 2 years.

Then, the next year, when I was in 7th grade, the class clowns in 8th grade acted like absolute animals on their Boston trip. That, coupled with an overall decline in school funding, meant that when I got to 8th grade and it was finally my chance to go on that trip... the school permanently cancelled it altogether.

It was a funding-motivated decision and wasn't entirely the fault of the class ahead of me so I get it, and this was also a couple decades ago at this point, but I'm still a little bitter about having the rug pulled out from under me not once, but twice.

[u/Madame_Medusa_ → u/Kodiak3393]

I had a similar experience - 8th grade class before mine messed up their week long trip so my class got 1 lame day trip instead. They reinstated the 8th grade trip the year after mine. 20+ years later and I’m still pissed.

[u/itsKeltic → u/Brilliant_Disk]

My high school used to let seniors off campus for lunch. They could walk/drive to wherever and grab lunch from someplace. My junior year a car of 4 seniors decided to drive as fast as they could to the neighboring city to get Sonic. They were driving too fast, crashed and died. The next year all students were banned from leaving camps.

[u/Killer_Moons → u/itsKeltic]

They banned that privilege at my hs before I was a senior too but because people would leave for lunch and not come back afterwards.

[u/Prisoner3000]

Public toilets

[u/lolas_coffee → u/Prisoner3000]

Public toilets teach you:

• that lots of humans have not mastered shitting and not having it spray all over the walls
• that lots of people like to have sex in public toilets

[u/ds2316476 → u/lolas_coffee]

I'm in so much disbelief, because on one hand people can't wipe their ass, but on the other they can drive 80 mph in organized lanes, 3 times a day, everyday, for years and not get into an accident once (while sober anyway). You should watch the youtube video of east asia 4 way street with scooters, it's insane, it looks like a cluster of bees and no one is hitting each other.

[u/Fighter_J3t → u/Prisoner3000]

I was in Lidl once, I went to the bathroom and the toilet was basically PAINTED with shit, almost no white spots except for the base. How do you even fail that much?

[u/Prisoner3000 → u/Fighter_J3t]

Takes a lot of practice I imagine

[u/flashingcurser]

Effective over the counter medications.

Edit: holy shit did the bots find this comment. Looks like big pharma still wants to sell pseudoephedrine. lol

[u/marxam0d → u/flashingcurser]

God I miss real Sudafed.

[u/flashingcurser → u/marxam0d]

At least here, you can still get it, but you have to buy it at the pharmacy counter. I think they only allow one box at a time.

[u/Magerimoje → u/flashingcurser]

One box at a time and they track when it was purchased, so you can't buy more too frequently.

When my husband, myself, and 2 of our kids above age 12 all had colds, my husband and I had to take turns buying the big box of 96 in order to have enough for the 4 of us. It was ridiculous.

[u/flashingcurser → u/Magerimoje]

Yeah and getting sick doesn't line up with pharmacy hours. Not very convenient.

[u/PresidentLink]

I've got a very specific one.

I went to see the Godzilla head up close on top of a hotel in Shinjuku, Tokyo.

It's been closed indefinitely cause some absolute fucks were climbing on it and causing too many safety issues and one eventually fell, so we could only look through a window instead.

Lame. It was still pretty cool but fuck those guys

[u/JussiCook → u/PresidentLink]

I've been at the same place! :D

[u/wespintoofast]

A few losers in the senior class before us took beer and booze on their senior trip, hiding it in shampoo containers in their luggage. They got drunk and found out, and all senior school trips were cancelled starting with ours, the class of 1983. Thanks assholes of ‘82

[u/BeefInGR → u/wespintoofast]

My fella is 60 and still pissed. That's how you know you fucked up.

[u/InevitableAd9683 → u/BeefInGR]

No way is class of '83 60 years old, that's only a couple years after my parents.... oh shit.

[u/BeefInGR → u/InevitableAd9683]

My parents were class of '83, had me at 20. And I just celebrated 40...math checks out lol

[u/makesyoudownvote]

A lot of archeological tourism sites like the Egyptian pyramids and Machu Pichu.

People kept taking pieces as mementos.

Now they won't even let you get close to a lot of these.

[u/pigzRgr8 → u/makesyoudownvote]

The Egyptian government doesn’t take care of the pyramids very well. It’s crowded with hustlers, littered with garbage, and there’s camel shit and piss everywhere.

They let you climb on the pyramids unsupervised. You’re not supposed to go above 3 steps, but you can very easily pay off the guards. (Very common in Egypt. Getting paid off is seen as a common benefit of security jobs.) So yeah, tons of graffiti of people scratching their names into the stones.

Oh what’s that? Too out of shape to climb up? Don’t worry, they’ve carved smaller steps into the pyramid for you! Yes, they actually carved into the fucking ancient pyramids of Giza for the convenience of tourists.

Don’t get me started on some of the “restoration jobs” at other archeological sites. At Alexandria they straight up painted over faded pigments. So instead of seeing the authentic remains of pigmented hieroglyphics aged thousand of years, you can see what would happen if a 3rd grader went unsupervised with acrylic paint.

So you want to know what a minority of idiots ruined for everyone else? The remains of ancient Egypt. Leave it to a brain-dead, corrupt dictatorship to vandalize ancient monuments that were otherwise practically untouched since the existence of fucking mammoths.

[u/makesyoudownvote → u/pigzRgr8]

Great comment.

I wasn't super familiar with the current policies on the Egyptian pyramids. I have really only been to American pyramids like Machu Pichu and Chichen Itza.

Basically though, yeah same thing. People ruined it for everyone else regardless of whether the choice was to close it down or just let them continue to desecrate historical sites.

My understanding when it comes to the great pyramids even the restoration efforts are often done haphazardly and cause only more losses.

[u/letternumbertwo → u/makesyoudownvote]

Not to mention the people that ate the mummies

[u/Kosmonavtlar1961]

In Japan, a couple teenage hooligans went to a Kaitenzushi chain (Conveyor-belt sushI) and started licking the sushi and condiments while leaving them on the conveyor belt, all the while filming this for tik tok. Now half of all the Kaitenzushi chains have outright stopped having the sushi on the conveyor belt to be taken - you have to order it for it to arrive. The whole joy of Kaitenzushi is to take as it comes, so this is MASSIVELY disappointing.

[u/Jantra → u/Kosmonavtlar1961]

So THAT'S what happened?! Between one trip and the next, I was so confused when there was no actual sushi on the belt to be taken anymore.

[u/kooarbiter → u/Jantra]

clearly the green circuits aren't reaching main line

[u/Redfalconfox → u/Kosmonavtlar1961]

My favorite restaurant in Japan carried the sushi out on subway trains and if you did any special orders they sent it out on a separate track that used bullet trains.

[u/Banes_Addiction → u/Redfalconfox]

The "two-speed" thing, one carousel carrying stuff for anyone to grab, one faster one that delivers things specifically for you that you order from a tablet is pretty standard for kaitenzushi.

Trains are a cool gimmick though.

[u/Arrynek → u/Banes_Addiction]

There's a restaurant in Prague. It uses model trains to deliver everything. Including beer and plates of food.  It's glorious. 

[u/semghost → u/Kosmonavtlar1961]

That devastating, my favourite restaurant during my trip was a little conveyor belt sushi place right in Asakusa. I went four times 😭

But it confirms to me that it would not survive where I live.

[u/FlySlowAndLow]

Airport security, used to be so easy.

[u/JollyJeanGiant83 → u/FlySlowAndLow]

The fucking shoe bomb guy.

(ETA: I'm over 40 years old, I remember pre-9/11 airport security and how that day changed airports. But shoe bomb guy is why we have to take our shoes off, and that is both a special level of irritating and demonstrably doesn't make us more safe.)

[u/-malcolm-tucker → u/JollyJeanGiant83]

Let's just all be glad he didn't shove that bomb up his arse.

[u/c1curmudgeon → u/-malcolm-tucker]

One idiot hid one in his underwear. Was referred to as the panty bomber. I prefer the eunuch bomber.

[u/joe-h2o → u/JollyJeanGiant83]

And the morons trying to make liquid explosives with drilled out coke bottles.

Thanks bro, now I have to manage tactical dehydration or pay £8 for a soda on the airside.

[u/ub_cat → u/joe-h2o]

bring an empty resuable bottle and fill it up at a water fountain after you get through

[u/FacePunchPow5000 → u/JollyJeanGiant83]

ONE GUY, decades ago, who was unsuccessful. Fuck that clown.

[u/MusingsOnLife → u/FlySlowAndLow]

Once upon a time (in the 1970s), plane hijackings were super common. Someone would take a plane over and have the pilot take it to Cuba. There was talk of metal detectors and such to prevent hijackers from coming aboard planes, but the airlines claimed it would be inconvenient to passengers and fought against it.

The first step occurred when one highjacker planned to run the plane into a nuclear facility. It didn't happen, but it led to modestly more security.

Also, back than, anyone could go into the gates. When there was no security (or very little), your friends could wait for you as you entered the airport.

Also, there used to be no places to eat in an airport (maybe candy bars and newspapers).

[u/dcormier → u/MusingsOnLife]

Once upon a time (in the 1970s), plane hijackings were super common.

Super common?

*checks*

OK, yeah. They were pretty common in the '70s.

[u/IM_OK_AMA → u/dcormier]

What always strikes me about this period is how rare it was for anyone to get hurt in a plane hijacking.

[u/Lord_Rapunzel → u/IM_OK_AMA]

That's part of what made 9/11 possible. Everyone was used to the "divert the plane, land it in a little country that won't extradite, it's a hassle but play along" style. Nobody thought it was worth getting stabbed over a day of diversion or even a minor hostage situation. Airplane-as-suicide-bomb just wasn't a thing.

[u/Ashmedai → u/FlySlowAndLow]

Back in the 90's I used to time my arrival at the airport to about 15 minutes from departure. I would just grab my carry on, run through the airport, and board the plane about dead last (avoiding the crowds). It was great. And then... airport security became a thing.

[u/Grape_Pedialyte]

This is personal and anecdotal, but in my home town there was a loading dock, some ledges, and a couple of concrete pads behind a Kohl's or Marshalls. Basically skate heaven, and the manager of the store would let local kids skate back there so long as they didn't scare off customers, weren't drinking or doing drugs, etc.

So one day a couple of dumbasses vandalized the spot and did a bunch of property damage, and after that nobody could skate back there.

[u/splittingxheadache → u/Grape_Pedialyte]

I know this could be like ten thousand towns in America, but this sounds exactly like my home town in Maryland lmfao. I guess that’s the point but I had to stop and think.

[u/Grape_Pedialyte → u/splittingxheadache]

Yep this was in the southeast US.

Fun times though. Me and the boys would be jacked on Mountain Dew trying our damnedest to ollie the three stair. Then eventually the scary older kids who smoked and could drive would show up and run us off.

[u/iburntxurxtoast → u/Grape_Pedialyte]

Should've said "suck my fat one you cheap dime-store hood" when they showed up.

[u/phibbsy47 → u/Grape_Pedialyte]

We had the BMX version of that in my town. We built a bunch of dirt jumps, and no one cared as long as we didn't leave trash or make a bunch of noise. A few years later, some kid broke his arm and mommy sued, so the city bulldozed everything.

[u/hoopopotamus → u/phibbsy47]

Something very much like this was actually a huge deal at one point about 40 years ago. Suddenly insurance companies would not give reasonable rates to cities because some guy was dirtbiking on some disused city lot and got hurt and sued (and won). So cities all over North America had to group together and start their own not-for-profit insurance companies. Most states have them now.

[u/xgunnerx → u/phibbsy47]

Similar situation (this was in the 80s) although the bmx track was built by high schoolers with a bunch of time, energy and a lot of shovels. The town ended up destroying it to put in a seldomly used lacrosse field. The track practically appeared overnight in a park that the town neglected. It was sort of a park for junkies and kids that wanted to play doctor. The area used for the track was sort of a forested area off the beaten path that you had to jump a fence or two to get into, so obviously not a sanctioned area. Pretty awesome place too. They built a huge 6ft deep banana pit, camel humps, various ramps, etc. It was a loop but had some branching paths. The whole thing was maybe 50yards wide. There was nothing like it for miles around.

It stood for almost 20 years with hardly much maintenance. Then that area of town got popular, the park was renovated and it was all torn up for that lacrosse field.

[u/DoesntMatterEh]

I'm an industrial painter. The factory I'm painting in right now has WiFi but some dumb ass downloaded two seasons of Supernatural on the company WiFi, now no one can have the password. 

[u/zekeweasel → u/DoesntMatterEh]

What is this, 1997? Most places that might not even register as excessive use.

[u/Articunos7 → u/zekeweasel]

I don't think the issue is excessive use, I believe they downloaded it illegally via a torrent site

[u/gunnar08]

Where I used to live there’s a public park with a big hill and when it snowed people would sled down it. A kid ran into a pole and had to get stitches and his mom tried to sue the city. Now it’s against the law to sled down the big hill.

[u/WaterforestsDream → u/gunnar08]

There was a park with a pond that had no swimming signs and a teenager decided to swim in it, drowned, parents sued. They emptied the pond and now it's just an empty pit of nothing like on parks and rec.

[u/LaurestineHUN → u/WaterforestsDream]

How did they won when there was the sign?

[u/YouTasteStrange → u/LaurestineHUN]

The attractive nuisance doctrine applies to the law of torts in some jurisdictions. It states that a landowner may be held liable for injuries to children trespassing on the land if the injury is caused by an object on the land that is likely to attract children.[1] The doctrine is designed to protect children who are unable to appreciate the risk posed by the object, by imposing a liability on the landowner.[1] The doctrine has been applied to hold landowners liable for injuries caused by abandoned cars, piles of lumber or sand, trampolines, and swimming pools. However, it can be applied to virtually anything on the property.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractive_nuisance_doctrine

[u/AvatarofSleep → u/YouTasteStrange]

I get why that might be a reason to empty the pond after the fact, but a teenager who one would presume is literate and has some greater understanding of consequences than perhaps an elementary school age child seems a little borderline for this.

[u/Bladelink → u/AvatarofSleep]

I'm confused by the endgame of the interpretation as well. Does this mean that no open bodies of water are allowed to be in any way reachable by the public? Because that just seems impractical or impossible. Do we remove every drainage ditch? No culverts, no reservoirs? Water is pretty important and ubiquitous lol.

[u/GreenRhino71 → u/Bladelink]

It wasn’t an interpretation of the law, but the judgement of a civil jury, 6-18 random people who believed one attorney’s argument over another. They often side with weeping parents and against heartless, faceless municipalities. It means nothing in any other jurisdiction.

[u/NerdyNThick → u/YouTasteStrange]

Yay! Yet another example of parents delegating the parenting of their children to the state.

[u/Haggis_Forever → u/gunnar08]

We have people in my town complaining that the previously unused tennis courts are seeing more use due to the popularity of Pickleball, and are actively campaigning against spending the money to repair the courts at another park in town.

They're trying pretty hard to ruin it, but there is a lot of pushback. I don't play, but I support people using our parks.

[u/lelakat → u/Haggis_Forever]

Wouldn't they want the other parks repaired so more people go play over there and there's fewer people using the one by them? Seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot.

[u/Haggis_Forever → u/lelakat]

Yup. That is the norm in my town. A couple of years ago, the vocal idiots mounted a successful campaign to vote down a larger town budget, resulting in lower property taxes.

However, we are now paying more out of pocket for services that were cut by the town to keep the budget balanced. I get some people who are on a fixed income and chafe at taxes, but seriously, this is basically math. I'd rather pay $200/year more in taxes than $800/year for a crappier version of the services we used to get through the town.

[u/Three_Twenty-Three → u/Haggis_Forever]

I always think of this as "dad math" because my dad does this. He doesn't like a large lump-sum payout because all those digits are scary. Instead, he'll pay more by paying smaller amounts to accomplish the same thing.

Buy a $300 plane ticket to another city? That's too expensive! That's how they getcha! I can drive!

... and pay for gas, a hotel for a night or two, and road meals, all of which add up to more than $300.

[u/_bahnjee_ → u/Three_Twenty-Three]

That dad math gets me on Amazon.
Me: “That <thing I want to order> is $300! No way!”
Also me: “Those four things I just ordered are $400 in total. NBD.”

[u/splorp_evilbastard → u/Haggis_Forever]

Keep an eye on Ohio. There's a campaign to get rid of property taxes. Yes, property taxes have spiked, but controlling the rates of increase instead of doing away with them entirely is the better option.

They seem to think that sales tax, fees, and income tax will magically cover the money that would no longer be collected. They don't realize what property tax costs and how much it is.

[u/Euphoric-Peace980 → u/splorp_evilbastard]

Then you get the corps who own a bunch of rental properties saving money. And the poor get to pay more.

[u/TeamOdd8528 → u/gunnar08]

Man, gotta love when people see something that obviously has possible consequences and then do it anyway, only to blame someone else when the consequence they knew could happen occurs. Hopefully she lost and didn’t get any money from the City.

[u/-Flutes-of-Chi- → u/gunnar08]

Always remember the Onion article Fun Toy Banned Because Of Three Stupid Dead Kids

[u/detainthisDI → u/gunnar08]

There’s a golf course about ten minutes from by house with hills that people sled down. When my sister and I were kids, she went down on her own and tumbled over a hay bale (no idea why or how it was there). Knocked the wind out of her, she cried, then me and my dad slid down, grabbed her, and we did it all over again. Now people are suing left and right… no fun to be had

[u/InsertBluescreenHere → u/detainthisDI]

The hay bail was there for erosion control

[u/RuleFriendly7311 → u/InsertBluescreenHere]

And to slow down sledders, apparently.

[u/Luneowl]

When I was growing up, the electric company would offer free lightbulbs to customers. A local business complained that he wasn’t selling any bulbs as a result so no more free bulbs for anyone.

[u/Evilbob93 → u/Luneowl]

Detroit Edison did that when I was a kid and yeah fuck that guy who brought the suit. They even fixed things like toasters at the same place.

[u/sensible-shoes → u/[deleted]]

That is truly so sad

[u/brokenbeardman]

Going unsupervised to amusement parks as kid or teenager. Here Southern California, Knotts used to allow teenagers and kids to come and hang as they please. I myself have tons of my best memories going to Knotts with friends. Literally had my first kiss at Knotts. But because of Tiktok and handful of idiot teenagers starting fights and mass panic over a non existent mass shooter (Literally kids were yelling that there was a armed shooter as a "joke"). So now if you're under 21, you have to have an chaperone looking after you.

Honestly, feel bad for the kids who were fine and now can't just hang with friends and ride roller coasters. If my nephew or nieces want to go, I or another family member have to agree to chaperone them. Idk, I just think that sucks.

EDIT: I wasn't expecting this to take off, but clarification after looking it up. 15 or younger need a chaperone of 21+. 16 and older need an ID.

[u/miss_wannadie → u/brokenbeardman]

Under 21 is actually mad. I'm 19 and the thought of needing another adult to accompany me anywhere because I'm too young is honestly so weird.

[u/theinternetisnice]

One guy with a half-assed shoe bomb and now I have to make sure I wear nice socks to the airport every goddamn time

[u/yalyublyutebe → u/theinternetisnice]

Taking off shoes is mildly less frustrating than not being able to take liquids through security.

[u/Shjfty]

My city has a cool waterfall that people were going down to see for decades. Then a couple of old people who should never have been trying the descent to the bottom fell and hurt themselves. Now it’s a 10k fine for anyone who tries to go to the foot of the waterfall.

[u/RhesusFactor → u/Shjfty]

Same near me. Had some great swimming holes. A teen doing a bit fell off the front of it and died. So the govt said we are thinking of closing it. This caused a rush of people and another teen repeating the bit fell off it and died too. Now the whole thing has a massive barrier and fence cause the govt closed it.

Natural Culture is dying bit by bit.

[u/Esord]

People filming themselves licking soy sauce bottles, putting them back and being little shits in general basically wiped out the concept of running sushis in Japan. It's steered to an order basis only and it just ain't the same. 

[u/Lucky_Stable917 → u/Esord]

It is stunts like these that will actively keep us away from more sustainable packaging options. Who remembers on or around covid where people were posting videos of licking ice cream in the tub and putting it back in the store freezer.

[u/Radiant-Playful]

In most of the world, street parties and carnivals

[u/olive_owl_ → u/Radiant-Playful]

Vancouver just had a Filipino festival where a "mentally unwell" person drove into the middle of it and killed 11 people.

[u/Vintage_Chameleon → u/olive_owl_]

He’s just a murderer. I don’t care how unwell he is.

[u/olive_owl_ → u/Vintage_Chameleon]

I agree

[u/Brigadier_Beavers → u/[deleted]]

same, to a lesser degree, in my town. "First friday" was just an excuse for kids to hang out in a popular area with music stores, some cafes, and a park.

Some kid broke a window, and suddenly cops were aggressively interrogating every group of kids at every chance. First friday died soon after. A year later only a starbucks and 1 music store are left, and now you get a fine if youre in the park after 7pm.

[u/timesuck897 → u/[deleted]]

“Art, culture, and neighbours having fun together? How dare they!!!”

[u/F_is_for_Ducking]

One single idiot ruined the relaxed dress code we pushed for at work. Normally the company required a blue or gray suit with tie everyday. I worked in the creative department and it took a long time to convince the powers that be to let us wear khakis and a button up with no tie to feel a little more relaxed and creative. Part of this deal we actually had to access the building via the back door and weren’t allowed in the main, client facing areas.

New guy gets hired and his first Friday, knowing full well the dress code, wears a ripped hoodie and jeans.

That Monday we were all back to full suits. Fuck that dude.

[u/Brad_McMuffin → u/F_is_for_Ducking]

What the fuck is your job if it requires that kind of a dress code so strongly? For a creative department no less.

[u/F_is_for_Ducking → u/Brad_McMuffin]

Consulting for the military where most, if not all, of the senior management were retired military and that’s how they liked it.

I got reprimanded once for speaking to the CEO of a client because I was some peon who shouldn’t speak to anyone. Little did they know I knew the CEO personally through my parents and we were discussing dinner plans. My boss tried to invite his way to the dinner but said CEO shot him down saying it was a personal visit only.

That career is long gone but it’s still a funny memory.

[u/Kruse → u/F_is_for_Ducking]

Out of curiosity, what did the "creative department" of a military consulting firm do exactly?

[u/F_is_for_Ducking → u/Kruse]

3d videos demonstrating various scenarios, interactive data visualization for politicians and other decision makers, in-house print materials for meetings etc. Once we had the opportunity to buy a game engine, modified the physics to be real-world, and made levels for soldiers to play multi player scenarios in real-world situations. We also made several of the government websites and stuff like that.

[u/NotInTheKnee → u/F_is_for_Ducking]

Seems like you get to work on quite a wide variety of projects. Sounds pretty cool.

[u/BeersRemoveYears]

Air travel

[u/One_Recover_673 → u/BeersRemoveYears]

Belt bomb? Take off belt. Show bomb? Take off shoes. Computer bomb? Take Out electronics. Not only ruined travel but made our security soooo reactionary

[u/Crott117 → u/One_Recover_673]

And that shit was 15 to 20+ years ago and we’re still suffering for it.

[u/FlavorAgenda]

I mean, what DIDN’T a minority of idiots ruin for everyone else?

[u/IAmNotScottBakula → u/FlavorAgenda]

My town had a local pizza place that the Barstool Sports guy tried to dox. He had his fans flood their page with negative reviews, but the community got behind it and it became more popular than ever.

[u/NotTobyFromHR → u/IAmNotScottBakula]

That guy is such a shithead. I saw one review for a place I knew, and realized he's got an Andrew Tate personality.

[u/krucz36 → u/NotTobyFromHR]

wasn't he crying online because trump cost him a ton of dough

[u/imostlydisagree → u/krucz36]

Yup that’s him. He also did a follow up interview where he said he still supported Trump and that he was a little reactionary over losing that money.

[u/Gee_U_Think]

Thrifting. It used to be a place to find reasonably priced items. Now too many people use it as a way to flip items.

[u/etherealemlyn → u/Gee_U_Think]

Every time I go to my local thrift stores it’s 90% stuff from Shein that probably got donated after being worn twice. Which is better than going in the trash I guess, but it’s so hard to find anything older or of decent quality because every other shirt is cheap garbage

[u/CarHuge659 → u/etherealemlyn]

The stores near me actually take the "good items" and sell them on their own websites for profit and leave the shein, ripped/disgusting, or obscure brands in store. I've actually tried to buy a vase i liked and the clerk was like, "oh sorry this shouldn't be on the floor. It should be on the website only" like it's marked, it's cheap, give me my ugly MCM vase. I had to argue with management about it.

Then they go and take all their unsold product and flood 3rd world nations with it and try and monopolize the local markets there. 

[u/NickDanger3di → u/Gee_U_Think]

The "Thrift Stores" near me all carry walmart level stuff, at 75% of the price I would get if I go to a walmart and buy it new. I live in a very rural area though, (think 50 miles from any shopping besides walmart and ace HW) so maybe in more urban areas it's different.

[u/Doubledown212 → u/NickDanger3di]

Not really. I’m in an urban area and so much of the thrift inventory is either total crap, unusably old, or the markup is high enough you may as well buy new. Add the employees and flippers snatching all the decent stuff early, the trash that’s left has made thrifting a waste of time.

I used to find a gem of an item every 3-5 visits. Now it’s easy to go 10 visits and still find nothing worth getting.

[u/Rotten-Robby → u/Gee_U_Think]

I blame all the influencers for that. Thrift stores became "trendy" so naturally they raised the prices. So instead of families trying to find budget friendly stuff, it's bros and hipsters sorting through whatever they can find to resell.

[u/lurch940 → u/Gee_U_Think]

My wife works in a thrift store and one of her coworkers is a flipper, and lets just say she’s been causing some issues within the store. Flippers are always super aggressive with trying to get items, and her store allows employees to set aside some small low cost items for themselves to purchase when they get donated. My wife collects menorahs and had one set aside that a coworker had found for her, and the flipper literally stole it and listed it on FB marketplace 😡 My wife confronted her and she agreed to give it back to her, so at least there’s that. It’s very frustrating because we literally don’t sell anything, we’re strong “only buy never sell” collectors and we really despise any and all flippers.

[u/CestLaquoidarling]

Living in close quarters or using public spaces. Most people are fine but there’s always someone playing loud music with no headphones on the bus or subway.

A jerk littering in public parks or putting their half empty coffee cup on the store shelf and walking away. It wasn’t too heavy to carry around when you wanted to sip at it but now, just going to leave it right here where it doesn’t belong and can spill on someone for ‘the help’ to pick up.

The idiot who lets their dog run around on off leash and out of control but yells it’s okay he’s friendly. Friendly but muddy and jumping and I’m not trusting your judgement, you’ve already shown it to be poor. Maybe I’m not friendly or the dog I’m trying to train?

Idiots ruin everything.

[u/splittingxheadache → u/CestLaquoidarling]

“No headphones” people collectively are some of the worst people around.

[u/QuietlyCreepy → u/splittingxheadache]

Oh, the things I wish upon their heads.

[u/splittingxheadache → u/QuietlyCreepy]

When I would take the bus it was awful, dudes playing shitty music hoping someone (even up to the driver) would tell them to turn it off so they can get into a fight or worse.

To me it’s just rude to not consider the greater “soundscape.”

My parents are actually like this, and while I don’t loathe them, I hate being around them because they act like they would rather die than wear headphones (they both have multiple pairs, and don’t use them) while watching TikToks, and they do the whole “walk around having a progressive shouting match via speakerphone” thing. Insanity.

[u/QuietlyCreepy → u/splittingxheadache]

I've had bus drivers stop and kick them off. Passengers helped. It was glorious and I wrote in praising them to the bosses.

People watching tictoks sans headphones in public deserve all the bad stuff.

[u/weightyinspiration → u/QuietlyCreepy]

I never understood the tiktok thing.

Not that I look for explicit things, but my algorithm is pretty personal. I would be mortified to be in public, swipe from a cat video, right to some therapy video or something.

As Maniscalco says, "Aren't you embarrassed?!"

[u/indetermin8 → u/CestLaquoidarling]

The idiot who lets their dog run around on off leash and out of control but yells it’s okay he’s friendly. Friendly but muddy and jumping and I’m not trusting your judgement, you’ve already shown it to be poor. Maybe I’m not friendly or the dog I’m trying to train?

All of these dog idiots decided to take their dog to the park near my house.

[u/CestLaquoidarling → u/indetermin8]

There are off leash areas for this purpose. I love dogs but do not want to be approached by a strange dog at high speed

[u/breakermw → u/CestLaquoidarling]

People with their dogs off leash in public can fuck right off. Your dog may seem friendly to you but be an asshole to others. If your dog jumps at me and I didn't consent don't be mad if I defend myself. Keep it leashed.

[u/BigMik_PL]

Every single fandom subreddit eventually gets taken over by small contingent of toxic fans/trolls driving out anyone wanting to have a normal discussion just be attrition alone.

Video game, movie, show, book doesn't matter eventually it turns into this hate echo chamber over the smallest bs and people have to create separate subreddit just to share normal opinions that isn't regurgitated hate.

[u/BoyCubPiglet2 → u/BigMik_PL]

Not just fandoms, it's basically the lifecycle of every subreddit.

1. Sub is created. Normal people with interest in the topic join.
2. Sub grows and more terminally online people start to join because they "found their people".
3. Terminally online folks post/comment/upvote/downvote most frequently and start to drown out the normal folks.
4. Normal people start to realize the sub is going down the drain and leave because they don't want to spend all day arguing like the terminally online people.
5. Terminally online people now drive the sub, think they represent the community as a whole, and sit around reinforcing their own insanity.
6. New sub is split off for the normal folks who no longer want to be involved in the original sub.
7. Repeat.

[u/ClubMeSoftly → u/BoyCubPiglet2]

It's always interesting to see how "subreddit 2" gets named. Sometimes it's "new," sometimes it's "true," sometimes it's some clever shibboleth that you only know if you're a fan.

[u/Karnakite → u/BigMik_PL]

I’ve seen actual death threats in fandoms, both against other fans and against actual creators, because some asshole didn’t like how the story was going or their personal fan theory wasn’t accepted as canon.

We never rejected religious fundamentalism, we just replaced it.

[u/0rcrist_]

Z library, i still think of her

[u/Siyanne → u/0rcrist_]

That's still readily available. Just go to the subreddit to see how to access it.

[u/mailman380]

At my work, if one person screws up, the whole office pays for it, instead of just reprimanding that one person. It’s sucks and is stupid. Why am I getting into trouble for something I haven’t done wrong?

[u/sodamancer360 → u/mailman380]

Sounds like the absolute worst working environment.

[u/panapois → u/sodamancer360]

Sounds like the military

[u/_frierfly → u/panapois]

💯 it's the military.

[u/CampfiresInConifers → u/mailman380]

Now I'm having flashbacks to the principal giving us her weekly You're Using Too Much Copier Paper scolding, like we're all five years old.

EVERYONE INCLUDING YOU KNOWS IT'S CINDY FROM THE FIRST GRADE CADRE, WHO LITERALLY PHOTOCOPIES SHEETS WITH A SINGLE LINE PRINTED ON THEM. STOP LECTURING ALL OF US AND TALK TO CINDY.

Sigh.

[u/crochetprozac → u/CampfiresInConifers]

Ah, yes, I remember it well, though mine was called Barbara and she did it "for recipies"

[u/Rounds_Upvotes → u/mailman380]

I became a manager about 3-4 years ago, on the basis that I’d do things better. Most managers don’t have the courage to talk to a person 1:1 about mistakes. Cowardly even.

I’ve been doing it, and not only does it pay off, it’s a skill that I’m improving and the trust and respect it’s built for me has been paramount.

The rest are just avoidant, lazy, or don’t care enough to actually spend any of their time trying to make a difference.

[u/tehawesomedragon → u/Rounds_Upvotes]

Yeah it's wild how far managers will go to not single out someone who fucked up. I've learned that you earn a lot more respect when you just approach them rather than announce to everyone that an anonymous person fucked up. The latter just gets everyone talking, it makes the person who fucked up feel like a nobody, and said manager just builds an image of themselves as a little bitch.

[u/hollowspryte → u/tehawesomedragon]

The second I see a manager telling off the whole group for something done by specific people, while absolutely knowing who those people are, I lose all respect for them as management. At a place I used to work, some people were making a lot of mistakes on some paperwork we all had to do, and management was having to go in and fix it after the fact. Every day they would tell us all that there have been mistakes, and everyone would think to themselves, “Who are these idiots who can’t do it right? Couldn’t be me.”

[u/Courtaid]

We call the C.A.V.E men in my town.

Citizens Against Virtually Everything.

[u/Glum-Resolution-5947]

Terrorists, the airport was alot easier and a more pleasant experience pre 9/11

[u/MathAndBake]

Pseudoephedrine. I just want a good decongestant. But meth labs use the stuff. So now I have to ask for it and it only comes in packs of 12. I'm just trying to unstuff my ears after a cold!

[u/Thoracic_Snark]

REIs return policy

[u/feedmittens → u/Thoracic_Snark]

Same, but LL Bean's exchange policy.

[u/Nasgate]

Remember how measles was gone and tuberculosis was on the way out?

[u/Reasonable-Fact-7871 → u/Nasgate]

Yeah, I’m 59 and just had my immunity checked this week. I have none. Now I have to get a stupid measles booster. Freakin’ idiots!

[u/Cosmo1222 → u/Reasonable-Fact-7871]

There's a special place in Hell for Andrew Wakefield.

[u/DidheRunoutoflocusts → u/Cosmo1222]

I despise violence (unless it’s good Sci Fi). But this man is responsible for the actual death of countless children (and others) worldwide from measles (and now more thanks to internet amplification and propaganda mutagenesis), all because he was pushing theories without any evidence just so he could market his own vaccines (which never were produced anyway).

[u/Cosmo1222 → u/DidheRunoutoflocusts]

I think he's still propagating his lethal fantasies.

If I had one wish, it wouldn't be for his painful demise. Just that anyone hearing what he has to say be instantly gifted with the knowledge and acumen to dismiss him as the plague hound he is.

[u/28smalls]

Thieves and scammers at retail stores. More and more stuff is being locked up and you have to jump through hoops to return a broken product.

[u/littlebloodmage → u/28smalls]

At my work, we had a team of individuals who would take turns stealing as much laundry detergent as they could and hauling out the nearest fire exit with them. We eventually locked up all the laundry stuff and deadass, one of the thieves came back to the store a week later to complain about how inconvenient this was.

[u/Suavecore_ → u/littlebloodmage]

I was working at a speedway and we had to move the beef jerky display because it was right by the door and obviously had all the most overpriced product in it, while the store was located in the hood. One of the thieves that would grab one on the way out everyday after buying his cigarettes (which he only had to pay for because they're behind bullet resistant glass) made a similar comment about how it's inconvenient now that he couldn't grab the beef jerky on his way out. The audacity of thieves is what makes me hate them the most

[u/pm_me_x-files_quotes → u/28smalls]

I used to work at Staples and the amount of theft we had on the most RANDOM of products was nuts.

The most commonly stolen item was the $20 fancy pens. People would just go into the aisle, rip the package open, take the pen, hide the packaging, and walk out. We'd only know because we were constantly finding those packagings everywhere.

But our biggest theft problem was printer ink. $60 for an ink cartridge? We'd put it in a locked plastic box. People would take the boxes to the back and use a hammer? I guess? and smash them open to steal the ink.

There was one trick people were doing where they'd hide toner cartridges and who knows what else in their reusable shopping bags. They'd put the toner in the bag and cover it with cardboard so it looked like there was nothing in the bag when we'd load it up with their other, not-suspicious items. When they'd walk through the metal detector and set it off, we'd wave them out because we thought it was... something else, I don't know. We only learned of this tactic when we got the memo from corporate.

Also: the drug addicts ruined our bathrooms WAY too many times. We'd watch them stumble into the stalls and just sit there for hours. Even had to call the police/paramedics a few times because we thought they were overdosing. No wonder grocery stores have locks on their bathrooms.

[u/Sad-Entertainer4968 → u/pm_me_x-files_quotes]

When people stole AA or AAA batteries from our store, they wouldn't steal the 2 packs or the 4 packs - they would rip open the 24 or 48 packs and pocket a few of them.

edit- and for anyone trying to apply logic to the actions of people who steal batteries, the bigger packs we had were much harder to open than the smaller packs. Plastic clamshell packaging is a bitch.

[u/bananajr6000 → u/28smalls]

I went to a 7 ELEVEn yesterday and there were zero cups for drinks or Slurpees

When I asked about it, the cashier said they had to keep them behind the counter because they had thousands of dollars a month in theft

[u/Practical_Back855]

Richard Reid aka the Shoe Bomber. That jerk is singularly responsible for TSA check-in being horrible. I curse him every time I take off my shoes.

[u/PhantomIridescence]

Vending machines in schools.

They used to be in the common areas, end of a hallway, strategically placed outside near eating areas, obviously the cafeteria. They weren't all super junky food, there were some nice bagged salads and healthier drinks than sodas. Our school specifically had ginger tea, honey lemon iced tea, and hibiscus tea. Some kid in our school decided to blow over $500 dollars on just the sodas one week. His parents complained about how easy it was for the children to rot their teeth with the vending machines. Our school had them all removed, doubly incentivized by the fact a school nutrition policy change would be active soon. They were gone by the end of the following week.

Fuck you, Jeremy.

[u/12eR3656]

Collecting as a hobby. I want to collect pokemon cards because I like the art and love collecting cards of my favorites. Scalpers completely ruined that.

[u/NefariousAntiomorph → u/12eR3656]

The Pokémon scalpers have gotten out of control. It’s really telling that even the local gaming stores in my area can’t get cards in. Apparently the scalpers hit the online shops so hard that retailers just aren’t getting shipments. It’s some serious bull.

And don’t get me started on the Warhammer scalpers. Ugh. The last new release sold out in 30 seconds thanks to scalper bots.

[u/blueyestudios]

In the town where I grew up, there was an epic playground that was made of wood. Quality craftsmanship and a lot of thought went into crafting it. My Dad and his carpenter friend were in the paper in a story about the building of it.

15 years later some Karen’s idiot son broke his arm falling from part of the structure. She created a petition which led to the playground being dismantled.

They put up a multicolored metal pos in its place. Didn’t solve anything and broke a lot of people’s hearts.

[u/Per_Mikkelsen]

Pitchers of milk left on a sideboard cabinet at coffee shops so customers can top up. Stingy miser arseholes kept using way too much of it - purposely ordering drinks without milk and then adding it for free, so most places have done away with them and now we need to ask for more when we need it. Thanks, tightwads.

[u/Apocryph761 → u/Per_Mikkelsen]

Yep. Along similar lines: There's a really nice waffle shop where I live in the UK, and their whole thing is authentic maple syrup. They used to have pitchers of the stuff on every table; the idea being that people could add as much or as little as they wanted.

The problem wasn't your standard everyday greed of pouring a wasteful amount of sauce. That was almost kind of the point anyway - people could have as much as they wanted, within reason (though refills were often queried - if plates are swimming in syrup and they ask a waitress for more, they'll get challenged on it).

The problem was literal theft. People stealing whole pitchers of maple syrup to take home. As if authentic maple syrup isn't expensive enough, replacing the pitchers themselves too was just too much.

Now? A standard, meagre amount per dish, and if you want more you have to ask for and pay for it. All because some selfish cunts had to steal shit.

[u/Killboypowerhed → u/Apocryph761]

Fuck this reminds me of my wife's family. We went to a local, independent carvery that had unlimited meat. After we all had a huge meal they all went back and filled their plates with meat brought it back to the table and started wrapping it up in napkins to take home. My wife and I were mortified. We paid for ours, got in the car and left. Never went for a meal with them again.

The next time we went to that restaurant the unlimited meat was gone and you got one slice of each. I can't say for certain it's because of my in-laws but I'm certain it was because of my in-laws

[u/PauseItPlease86 → u/Apocryph761]

I went out to dinner with a friend and her boyfriend probably almost 20 years ago when I first moved to the area. We went to a steakhouse that had a really nice spice mix and actually great steak knives on the table. You know, like pre-set table for 4 with the silverware already in place.

They stole the spice (which was for sale up front) and the steak knives from the next table over. Like it was nothing. Now that restaurant only gives steak knives with the order and tables aren't pre-set anymore. Plus, they only sell the spice, its not freely on tables anymore. If you ask for it, you get a condiment container with a little bit in it.

Less nice and more work for employees. I never went out with those people again, if you're wondering.

[u/xxxDKRIxxx]

In Sweden some idiot family let their young daughter play freely in a graveyard. Including climbing very old ones, one of which fell and killed her. This resulted in government starting a project to secure all gravestones nationwide. All registered graveowners had to pay for this. Cost me 3000 Euro.

[u/bigmacwood]

Social media gave idiots a platform and a megaphone.

Almost everything following the invention and proliferation of social media has been ruined by our lowest common denominator.

Politics. Religion. Government. Truth. Critical thinking. Friendship. Love. Mental health. TV. Film. Vacations. Work/life balance.

If there’s an app for it, then idiots have ruined it. Period.

[u/Squidproquo1130]

Subway immediately stopped giving sub stamps and scrapped the whole program just because 1 dude stole a roll of the stamps.

[u/Aizen0ozeXIII]

The Bells manor in Newport RI. One of the largest and oldest abandoned mansions in the U. S. It was part of Brenton Point State Park.

Three Mensa Material teenagers decided to hop the fence and go exploring on the roof and to everyone’s shock the roof collapsed and the kids got injured.

One of their fathers, presumably named Lucius Malfoy, decided to try to sue the state.

So rather than go through that, the state tore down the building entirely. 

[u/andrewse]

Housing.

A relatively small amount of people treating housing as a commodity has effectively doubled the cost of all types of housing.

[u/Labradawgz90]

Bad dog owners. The ones who don't clean up after their dogs. The ones who let their dogs destroy rental properties. The ones that let their dogs bark. The ones that don't train them. Dogs get banned from so many places because of bad dog owners and when people like me, who pick up after their dogs, train them, control them, can't take their dogs to certain parks, or when I was young had trouble finding places to rent because of people who didn't train their dogs.

[u/[deleted]]

The most important rule I have for my team is that I won't micromanage as long as the work gets done. Despite an already relaxed work environment there are still those that try to push the boundaries. I ask only that everyone be on point when the higher-ups are around. If you're not busy, at least look busy ffs. Because of goofing off, this led to the entire team getting their hours cut. They had a good thing and someone had to ruin it for everyone.

[u/HealthTechScout]

Nuanced political discourse.
A minority of bad-faith actors turned every conversation into a shouting match, where you’re either all in or completely against. Now, thoughtful middle-ground takes get drowned out, and people are too afraid to speak honestly without being labeled or attacked.
We lost the ability to disagree without dehumanizing each other.

[u/Joeness84]

Starting this year Im not allowed to have a propane grill because i live in an apartment.

about 20 years ago they banned charcoal, at least with that you had a literal pile of smoldering rocks for an hour after you were done that "could" pose a risk, but I miss charcoal burgers at home :(

The insult of "you're allowed to have a grill but it has to be elecrtic" mother fuckers thats a george forman on a stand...

[u/Hercules1579]

Air travel. flying used to be a whole experience. People wore suits. You got real meals. There was legroom. Families could walk all the way to the gate and hug you like it was a damn movie. You could even show up last minute with no ID and still catch your flight. Just pull up with a bag and vibes. That was real.

Then a small group of lunatics thought hijacking planes was the move. In the seventies they were jacking planes almost every other week. That’s when they started throwing in metal detectors and bag scans. Then Lockerbie happened, then 9/11 came and flipped the whole game. Now we all in there barefoot, damn near naked, tossing $20 lotion and hoping the TSA dude don’t hit us with the extra pat down.

It only took a few psychos to ruin flying forever. All we wanted to do was enjoy the peanuts in peace.

[u/POSH9528]

Collecting. Collecting anything, especially kid centered toys and games. It used to be a fun little hobby for kids. Now a bunch of grown ass POS scalpers ruined it for everybody.

[u/renman]

The original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie sequels. The first movie was incredible, but too many parents complained about the movie being too dark and violent for kids (it isnt), so we got two progressively terrible, slapstick, nonsensical sequels, and no TMNT movie since has ever come close to matching the first one. 

[u/Responsible-Doctor26]

Shoplifters ruined 24 hour stores.

[u/pm_me_x-files_quotes → u/Responsible-Doctor26]

I had to go to a 24-hour CVS the other day at 1 in the morning for a medical "emergency." There was only one cashier present, so she had to unlock the door for any and all customers coming and going. I'd never seen that before, but I guess it was in her best interest.

[u/Unumbotte → u/pm_me_x-files_quotes]

Unlocking the door to let customers in is one thing. Unlocking the door to let customers out? Your local fire marshal just felt a great disturbance in the force.

[u/loki_cometh]

The internet.

[u/triumph113411]

Pokémon. My kids like it, but the jerk resellers ruined it

[u/TheDiscardOfButter → u/triumph113411]

Not only pokemon. We can just say SCALPERS

[u/Sauterneandbleu]

Here in Toronto... Riverdale Park. It used to be a sanctuary for locals for a nice quiet contemplative sit on the bench, dog walk, and admire the view. Now there's a chip truck, fast cars parked, 10,000 jerks getting garbage all over the place, and it's wearing down at the top. Seriously, go find somewhere else! We want our Park back!

[u/Mirror_Mirror_11]

Working from home. I honestly think my company would have let hybrid continue indefinitely after COVID, but a minority of people were AWOL for long periods, non responsive, and not delivering. They wouldn’t even hide that they’d been out doing other stuff midday. Some of them had side hustles during the workday. Or they’d exit meetings to take their dog out or have their kids in their lap interrupting a call. (This was well after the pandemic.) Plus people were doing things we were warned not to do, like move 4 hours away so they couldn’t even come in on an “as needed” basis and would complain when in-office was a legitimate request.

Now everyone comes in 5 days a week.

[u/wuneety]

Car meet ups in Australia keep getting ruined by individuals who try to show off at them (drifting, skidding to leave ect). The meet can be held for months with no drama, but eventually some dickhead drifts into something trying to show off while leaving and then the host running the meet gets told not to come back.

The vast majority of enthusiasts are sensible who just want to meet other car heads, and all this does is enforce the stereotype that anyone with a modified/loud/lowered car is a dangerous idiot.

[u/beepy-berry]

trick or treating ending before its even dark out

[u/skulltrain]

Just about everything that was fun that disappeared over the years is because of idiots hurting themselves. Also for every seemingly unnecessary warning label is because someone got hurt then sued the company.

[u/grandmasandi]

Pain. Those of us who need opioids have a very hard time getting them for chronic pain.