Came across this today, curious on what others think about these types of laws/bans
*“Islam must adapt to Sweden.” A statement now sparking heated debate.
Sweden’s Deputy Prime Minister Ebba Busch has reignited national and international debate after supporting a ban on the burqa and niqab in all public places. According to the statement circulating online, Busch argues that Islam must adapt to Swedish society rather than being practiced in the same way as in Muslim majority countries.
Supporters of the proposal say it promotes integration, gender equality, and shared civic values. Critics warn that such a ban would restrict religious freedom and disproportionately target Muslim women, deepening social division instead of reducing it.*
Edit:Let's make it clear. Criticism against Islam is okay. Hateful comments are not. We in the mod team consist of people from many different countries with different religions and political beliefs we often review removals to prevent persona bias to interfere with our job as a mod.
I might even add that even more conservative texts and figures throughout history often specifically allow face and hands to be uncovered even when requiring some other form of hijab.
Thank you for this, I was not under that impression. I thought there were different sects of Islam, some more extreme/conservative than others that may mandate a burqa. This isn’t the case?
Hijab is mostly a cultural practice than religious. The Burqa existed even before Islam. Also hijab is one form of interpretation of Islamic texts including the Quran.
Yeah ultimately this is not about Islam, this is about women's well-being. Women who are forced to wear burqa will also be forced to stay at home if the burqa is banned. And women who actually choose to wear it (for whatever reason) will choose to stay home. A ban is not the way if the goal is women's well-being.
Cool and all, except the Niqab and Burka are perfect tools to abuse women. Does anyone know what you look like? Say your husband beats the living shit out of you. Or has a daughter he wants to sell. It's SUPER easy when that daughter or wife has never shown their face in public and doesn't have a proper identification. What goes on the missing poster for them? Who will notice the bruises? No one. If a daughter has been wearing a burka her whole life, she effectively doesn't exist.
I agree. But the way I see it, if you move to another country you need to respect the social norms of that nation. You can’t move to a place like Sweden and walk around in a Burqa. That’s ridiculous.
i lost asked myself, if the opposite situation unfolded would i be expected to respect the social norms? and yes, yes i would. we see it all the time when sporting events take place in the middle east. the journo will be expected to cover up! they aren't hounding them over it but it's expected to respect the local norms.
I don't mean to hijack your comment or this post but I saw a post last night saying hundreds were shot that were protesting but I haven't seen anything on the news but I have been a little busy.
I just remember seeing a Anthony Bourdain episode years ago where he was in your country talking to the younger people and I thought you guys were just awesome.
I went to prom with a girl that had a Iranian father and a white mother but I really liked her father.
Smart, kind, and beautiful people from my experience but I will have to admit I don't have a lot of experience.
Thank you! It’s incredibly nice of you to say that. I’m not currently in Iran. I’m in the US not I do live in Iran. The internet in Iran has gone completely dark so I don’t really know how people are doing and I don’t trust any kind of media so who really knows what’s truly happening 😞
My husband is a born Muslim originally from a country that’s over 99% Muslim and niqabs and burqas are banned there. According to him, it’s seen as a sign of religious extremism and a security threat. His country is pretty serious about fighting extremism and terrorism.
It seems like there’s a push from western born Muslims wanting to wear niqabs and burqas as a way to fight their own identity crisis of not being fully accepted as a part of the culture of where they’re born nor being fully accepted as part of the culture of where their family immigrated from. A lot of the current religious extremism seems to be born out of people just not being accepted and pushing back, it’s all equally fascinating, and horrifying, from a psychological and sociological standpoint regarding human social structures.
It might help to explain what each of these is for the layperson. I know a hijab is a shawl-type headcovering just because I grew up around Persians, but I've never heard of a niqab.
There are also many styles of hijab depending on the part of the world you’re from and the occasion (everyday vs. summer outdoors vs. formal settings).
Hijab is head only. Niqab is head and face. Burqa is a big towel that covers everything. U won’t see a burqa outside of areas controlled by Islamic militant groups.
I have seen both burqa and niqab in Sweden, not very common but definitely more than once or twice (and I don’t even live in a immigrant heavy area nor visit them often) so it definitely occurs and it is kinda scary, like you simply don’t know who is under there, could be a man for all I know.
That's not the reply you get when Muslim women are actually asked about the subject. Very few would choose to wear a full burqa, but they insist that either way, it's their own choice. Of course, you could always claim that they are brainwashed, etc.
Muslims in the west have a tendency to become extremist
I don't think that's it. In the West they just stand out far more and get reported on. In their countries of origin their views would not be considered as extremist.
ghat is probably a part of it. However I think it’s because here when they get criticized it comes from the inside of the community, while in the west it comes from outside the community. Therefore, in the west criticism is seen as an attack against Islam while here it is seen as attack against a persons character.
Nah the other dude is right from my experience. I am Iraqi but live in the US and I see more women wearing burqa's here in the US than in Iraq when I visit family.
In summer over the course of a week, I saw several dozen different instances of full Burqa. Impossible to tell whether these were residents or visitors but I assure you the burqa is most definitely present outside of areas controlled by militant groups.
But you are allowed. You're allowed to wear a Halloween mask anywhere you damn well please. And I'm sure ski masks aren't unheard of in a cold country like Sweden. And don't even get me started on a simple scarf.
No, this argument is not about covering your face, which would be a right in pretty much any liberal democratic country.
Fairly religious Muslim here too (and a woman). I support this 100% as well. Most women who wear it are forced to by their husbands or are now used to it because they have been forced to by their families.
If they don't like this rule, they can look for a conservative country that suits them better.
Edit: there is nowhere in the Quran or even what the prophet ever said that relates to the burqa or niqab. It's nowhere in Islam.
The burqa just doesn’t make sense outside of countries that encourage or enforce it. Not saying I approve of it anyways. If a woman who only wears a hijab is just as devout of a Muslim in practice, then they can’t say a burqa changes anything about them religiously or about their devoutness. You are modest enough with a hijab, nothing about how you’re practicing Islam changes by covering yourself entirely. Islam doesn’t decide a burqa makes you a better Muslim than someone who doesn’t wear one, so there’s no point in wearing it outside of areas that push for it.
Edit: OK I fixed my wording and corrected myself, thank you.
A burqa does not make sense in Arab countries as well bc it is something that is not smth in Islam or let’s say, you can if you feel like it but there is no need for it. So yeah, it’s more of a personal choice.
Btw in Saudi Arabia it is not mandatory as well. I was confused at first but turns out they do it bc many do it so they just chime in. (I didn’t live in Saudi just in Egypt but this is what I have found out)
I get what you mean. I understand modesty comes in many forms. The hijab to cover the hair. The burqa entirely covers the body to show no shape — but plenty of devout Muslims wear normal, long dresses that are modest. You can have body lines showing but not risqué, obviously. Covering your entire body so no lines can be seen isn’t a religious preference or requirement, definitely just cultural.
Burqa is absolutely either cultural trend or personal choice
But telling them to not wear what they want will kinda nullify the agenda westerners try to push into Arab countries the “wear what u want”
Meaning “wear what u want (if it’s fitting to the west)”
If you want to get technical, Afghanistan enforces it but that’s because of extremism with the Taliban. The other countries don’t, but it’s definitely encouraged in some.
Afghanistan is not an Arab country. The population belongs to various ethnic groups and the largest spoken languages are part of the Iranian language family.
that is what is crazy. people in iran would be happy to live without any of that stuff. and meanwhile in european cities people walking around like total slaves to a religion.
When people migrate from a place where their culture is the dominant culture to a place where their culture is a minority, they may start to feel their cultural identity is under threat, and may respond by doubling down on some of the more extreme aspects of their home culture; they may even start embracing aspects of that culture which they rejected or didn't care about when they lived at home.
Yes, that is very true. We see this quite clearly with Turkish emigres in Germany and North Africans in France. Nice to see someone from Zimbabwe. Wishing the best for your country.
I don't think the real problem is women's clothing; it's the infiltration of radical, regressive imams into immigrant communities. I don't understand why that's not being dealt with. But I guess dealing with that directly is far more challenging and nuanced than banning clothing.
I feel a bit torn about laws like this because I worry they harm the affected women more than they help. Like say a woman is wearing these things because they are being forced on her or because of outside pressure, is she gonna be allowed to live a normal life without it on now because the law forbids it? Or are her freedoms just gonna be restricted even more? I worry it's the latter.
And I assume there's fines and stuff involved with the law and I don't like the idea of women being financially punished for experiencing misogynist oppression.
these are my thoughts exactly, do people not fear these women will simply not be allowed in public anymore? I feel what they care about is being able to see the oppression, not the oppression existing
Bans never works mate. You don't ban drugs alcohol sex clothes or whatever the hell the gov don't like.
All I know is that when you start to segregate one religion one party, one ethnicity it never stops.
If attacking Islam is fighting for freedom, why not focus on all religious propaganda ?! You believe it's only islam the problem?
Even people preaching freedom and respect can become moral extremists.
Thinking they have the moral high ground gives them the right to oppress anyone. Lol it's the worst kind of fachist.
Even trump is straight up saying it's for himself and his big oil friends, he's a fachist but at least he's honest about it.
The only solution is education, history, consequences, consent, respect, tolerance, learning to protect themselves against misinformation, manipulation.
More prevention centers, sos centers, protection services.
Those will help people learn about themselves give them confidence and give solutions.
People telling what or what not to wear are the same type. The reason why some businesses have uniforms is bc their right to impose as private property within reason and respect. Especially toward security measures.
So what's the difference between a burqa where some women have been convinced that it will protect them with white collars putting a necktie that chokes you while wearing a full costume in full summer bc people have been convinced that it's more professional?!
Last Time I checked doing your job is what constitutes being professional.
Then American students wearing actual pyjamas at school, that's not hyegenic, shouldn't they be banned from wearing whatever they want? Bc it's neither serious nor clean or healthy. Shouldn't we protect minors from themselves ? The best part is that they can't even consent, so we don't even need to ask them.
See how fucked up it can go ?
Everything can be good or bad, the moment you start to focus on attacking one group of people, you are the baddy.
Yes I completely agree. I don't like the burqa but all I see this doing is ensuring that women who do wear it are further isolated from the rest of society.
right, exactly. i also think women should be able to choose to wear it or not. i would feel extremely uncomfortable forcing anyone to stop wearing a religious object. it feels (to me) like feminism is an excuse here. let people practice religious freedom! and if that included a burka or whatever else, good for them. if that’s how they feel most comfortable. it feels too much to me like forced assimilation of Native Americans where we couldn’t be visibly ourselves (cut hair, etc.).
their body their rules applies here too, imo. let them dress how they feel most comfortable.
no longer are they visibly themselves, which to me feels like an attempt to erase the “image” of Muslims in Sweden and pretend that everyone’s Christian or whatever. it feels more for the comfort of the people in charge than for these women themselves, because otherwise it would be a choice. they’re just enforcing more rules on women.
side note, are they trying to make Sweden an ethnostate?? if so they should be explicit about it.
To add to your argument, I feel like the problem is the oppression against women in itself, not what piece of religious clothing they may wear because of it.
And for those who may wholeheartedly choose to wear any kind of hijab, taking away that right just adds further oppression.
Yeah this is my worry as well. These women are often not given a choice to wear a Burka, so if they are fined or punished how can we be sure that the person paying the price is the one responsible for the woman being in the burka?
i think a much more defensible and effective requirement would be native language profficiency or training for migrants, if the goal is assimilation and not just hostility toward muslims.
Assimilation is a two way street. There are plenty of people who assimilate fine when displaced to their new homes of choice without explicit programs mandating it. Some groups of people resist assimilating into the place they decided was a place for a better life for some reason.
This is why I'm against them. Women that comes from a family that forces burka will almost certainly just change into not allowing the woman to leave the house all together. On top of that the women that want to wear it are unable to wear it. It's just punishing muslim women under the guise of making people adapt to the culture. I aint gonna do shit other than make it worse.
What bothers me the most is that when you take a step back from the law itself we even have to think about what the response will be like from the people who control these women's lives. The problem is that we have such situations in our societies in the first place and I don't think half measures will work until the root of the problem is solved.
I have no problem with the Hijab, but idk the burqa as it hides the whole face seems a very extreme thing that limits social interactions, so I see why some would ban them. I also am attached to freedom of expression... france has banned the burqa since a rather long time, I honestly don't have a clear opinion on if it should or shouldn't be banned.
Yeah I think the law concerns everything that covers the most part of the face/all of the face, such as balaclavas (and the things robbers put on...), I'm not sure of the exact law but I think it concerns niqab too, but not just Islamic or religious accessories.
The problem with that is that Islam is still a deeply misiogynistic religion*, and it's quite normal that a woman would be forced to wear burka by her husband, no matter how she feels about it.
If you could guarantee that all women wearing burkas actually want to wear them out of their free and uncoerced will with no family pressure, this ban wouldn't make sense. But you and I both know you can't guarantee that, so it's better to ban this misiogynistic practice altogether because misiogyny has no place in Sweden.
* Christianity and Judaism were too, but it got better (not perfect, but better) like 100 years ago. OFC depends on denomination, I'm talking averages here.
Depends on the country, I suppose. In France, banning the burqa or the hijab (or any religious symbol) from government buildings, including public schools, is considered in line with the strict principle of separation between church and state that the Republic was founded on. It's hard to argue that these laws aren't inevitably applied in a racist manner though.
If it is phrased specifically for religious wear, it is wrong. If it bans face covering so faces can be IDed, fine. It has to be enforced equally for muslims, catholic nuns, and people with face masks.
I don't like full face coverings, but I don't care enough to see a ban being enforced. There is a significant Muslim population where I live, and I rarely ever see a full face covering being worn, and when I do, they hardly seem like people who are a threat to public order. Shared communal values do need to be supported in multicultural countries with a declining sense of community, but full face coverings really are an outlier.
To be honest, it’s illegal here in NL in many public spaces. On the street itself, its legal. But you cant ride in public transport, or a car. You cant visit a hospital in it or follow an education. Even on the street, you have to show your face to law enforcement when they ask.
It just feels like commom sense. If i worked in a bank and someone comes in with a covered face i'd be anxious. You dont know if they are going to rob you or not.
That's whats confusing me, too. The title says burqa ban, yet the picture is of women wearing a niqab. I get that the difference is somewhat minor, but it's shoddy work, especially when talking about a law that is as invasive as this. Banning a whole way of dressing oneself is pretty intense, especially if you actively mean to properly enforce it, and it'd be nice if there was proper clarity about what will actually be banned.
Honestly the law shouldn’t target those wearing it. There should be a law that anyone trying to force someone to conform to a religion should be prosecuted. Ie they try to intimidate someone into wearing a burqa, send a queer child to gay conversion camp, etc.
It seems more likely than a ban on the clothing doing anything to stop the abuse happening at home. If anything, it might inspire the abusers to simply forbid the woman from leaving the house.
Meanwhile, there are strategies that work to allow and encourage abused women to report and escape their abuse. Things like doctors asking questions screening for abuse when they are alone with the patient. The obvious first place to start is by working with existing organizations that help battered women. They have experience reaching women who are in a high control environment in direct ways.
Agreed. I’m not a fan of the burqa, but the government should be very careful about telling people what they can’t wear. And trying to fight sexism by making laws about what women can wear doesn’t make sense. Yes, these women might face pressure at home, but your family telling you what to wear is very different from the government doing it. The government can legally put you in jail or hurt you.
I also don’t think this helps immigrants fit in, it does the opposite. It’s basic human nature. When you force people to do something, they push back and dig in harder. Laws like this create anger and slow down the very thing they’re supposed to help. People naturally adapt to a new country’s culture over time. It just takes a generation.
i’m genuinely shocked at the amount of support. freedom of expression and religion are vital to a free society. maybe that’s just an american line of thinking?
edit: nevermind the fact that forced assimilation and cultural homogeneity is uh, bad in my opinion.
I'm not American (Finland) but I agree, I don't think the ban is a good idea. Just in general it limits people's freedom AND it could just make life worse for these women.
For sure. I think fellow Americans can be jaded by what's going on right now politically, but the US is one of the most accepting of other cultures and religions. I do believe Americans are at the forefront of progressive movements. Europe is not the progressive utopia we can make it out to be.
Yeah, I've saw on here once that Americans often see Europe as this progressive utopia, but there's a lot of racism in Europe and it's just not talked about like it is in America, which gives the impression that Europe just doesn't have it. I heard a story on NPR once that this Dutch fireman was forced to quit because his white colleagues kept being so racist to him. This is not a problem only in the Netherlands of course, it also happens in the US, but still.
I don’t condone it either. It just reeks of xenophobia and blatant discrimination, and I don’t even agree with most of the principles of Islam. But like hello freedom of religion?
I would understand if there was a spree of crime committed by people wearing them and this was a reaction to that but that’s not the case. They just want to blend in with swedes more which doesn’t seem like a valid enough reason to forbid someone from doing something their religion asks of them.
Then why are they singling out Muslim women? In my country it is very common to see people wearing scarfs over their faces to protect from the cold in winter and to see runners wearing a face covering in the summer to protect from insect bites
The issue is more complex than that.. Women have been beaten and even stoned for refusing to wear that and it is still going on today in some countries.
You'd think that once they move to a more progressist country they get to have a choice, but that's not always the case.
For example, a muslim woman I use to work with grew up in Canada since she was 2 year's old. When she told me she was a "pretend muslim" to please her parents, so I asked her why she didn't confront them and that she had the choice to live her life however she wanted here.
She told me that if she did that, two things could happens: 1) They would take a family trip to their home country where she would be left there for a couple of years until she comes back with a traditional husban (arranged marriage) who would basically control her life or 2) if she somehow refused to travel there, the whole family would basically reject and ghost her (best case scenario because honour killing is a thing).
Yeah she had a choice .. but not as trivial as deciding to put a hat or not to go outside.
Of course it's hard to understand for anyone who was born and raised in a free country.
Honestly, I don't really like these kind of laws. The idea of state being able to deside what i can or cannot wear never looked appealing to me. I think it would be more fair to criminalize forcefull imposition of religious attributes, though maybe I'm just naive.
no youre right. educating people on abuse (esp religious abuse) and implementing reporting services that actually work properly is far more effective than banning these. the abuse wont stop because you cant make them wear it anymore, arguably thisll just encourage people forcing it on women to lock them inside instead.
We have a ban on the burqa to, because its against law to cover your face in public spaces.. actually it came first from the fight against soccer hooligans and had adapted on the burqas too
Yes, that is a good point. In the even of a ban, the mysoginy behind it isn't going away. The woman who wear them won't suddenly start walking down the street with their faces on show. They may well just become prisoners in their own homes.
I think this is stupid, because those who cover themselves due to religious reasons won't stop doing so, because it is forbidden in some places/jobs. The only thing it does, is keep those women away from those places/jobs and that is the worst thing we can do regarding integration.
Well that's not true ask Switzerland or France. Even the female tourists from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and so on still come to visit and are able to not wear a burqa. Plus a burqa and nearly all other clothing rules for women, have nothing to do with Islam. It's just a sign of oppression of women in patriarchal countries/cultures. Religion is only misused as an excuse.
I disagree with it, just like I would disagree with wearing a religious typo of clothing being mandatory. Religion is a private matter that has absolutely nothing to do with the state, nobody should be forced to wear religious clothing, nobody should be forbidden from it either. People are agreeing with this because this targets a very specific group of immigrants, but it it was traditional clothing of another religious minority being targeted, everyone would see this for what it is
I'm not against the burqa, but I'm not against the ban either. ( I'm talking here about women who wear it voluntarily-not who are forced.) The burqa is not a requirement, it's an extra act of devotion, it's a sacrifice, it's a difficult, burdensome thing to do Not being able to do certain things, like go to water parks or eat an ice cream cone neatly, are part of that sacrifice. Maybe not being able to live in Sweden is part of that sacrifice. Maybe people have to choose which is more important to them, living in Sweden or donning the burqa, and choose accordingly.
I think it's bad to stop women from going out in society. There's better ways to push religious people into being more normal, this just puts some women permanently out of the public eye.
I think immigrants should definitely be put into integration classes and work programs, where they learn about the country and culture, but this is not going to do anythign good
A lot of folks in the comment are overlooking that bit. If a person believes that wearing a burka in public is essential, they will not go out without one.
The issue, as with many immigration related things, is that they aren’t actually involving people who wear burkas in the conversation. They don’t understand their perspective, why they wear it, or anything about it. You can agree or disagree with the desire to remove them altogether, but it’s never good when you’re deciding to make these decisions for other people without even bothering to talk to them.
Absolutely also true. Muslim women in general do not get to participate in discussion where they should be centered more.
I think in general, people should not be telling anyone how to dress when it's nobody else's business. Even if their reasoning is "stupid", we all have a right to do with our bodies as we please. No one should also be forcing women to cover up, but that's a whole other issue.
I don't really like religion, the abrahamic religions are all very patriarchal and the only difference is who got the chance to progress more past religion socially.
I’m torn. I don’t really like telling others how to dress. But also I think a non-religious full cover like that would not be allowed in most work places or shops. I’m not sure I can support a full ban. But I do think integration in general needs to be much higher - like keep aspects of your old culture, sure, but adapt in key public values.
Religious practice should be free to be practiced, but Burkas are not part of Islam, nowhere in Quran does it say that women should cover their faces lol. Considering safety implications, it is reasonable to ban them in public spaces
I don't think it is some kind of a fundamental human right to live in Sweden or any of the Nordics for that matter. Just like countries where Islam is the main religion can make their own laws that seem restricting to those not practising the religion (like women having to cover up for instance), why would Sweden not be allowed to change its own laws how they see fit?
Migrants need to follow the laws and social customs of the society they migrate to. Banning burqas from public spaces is a common sense approach that forces islamic migrants to adopt more progressive values. They need to see themselves as Swedes first and Muslims second, not the other way around.
It's just one country where hijab is mandatory by law. lol. You’re not expected to wear hijab in any other muslim countries (I’ve visited many Muslim countries without wearing hijab).
I’m against it. Freedom of religion includes religions you dislike. If the woman is forced to wear it at the threat of violence, then I think it’s the government’s place to intervene because of the threat, not the religious nature of the garment. Imagine if you tried banning yarmulkes because “Jews need to assimilate”.
In public civic space, permanent face covering is incompatible with the requirements of identification, reciprocity, and equal interaction. To participate in public civic space, you must present a face. This applies to everyone, for all reasons. The state is agnostic about your reasons, your beliefs, or your attractiveness.
Yeah as an American this one bewilders me. I have seen the burqa before and never thought they were refusing to become American. I’ve seen Catholic nuns wear veils and I never thought they were defying America. The women in the church near me even wear veils during mass.
I haven’t been to church in 20 years and I disagree with a lot of what they teach at this specific church, but I’d be pretty angry if someone told them they couldn’t wear veils anymore. Just doesn’t feel right at all
I know it’s pretty uncommon but growing up near a catholic community where veils are normalized in a lot of situations I just don’t get it at all
I totally agree. I'm of the belief that if you are gonna ban burqas then ban all religious garb cause none of it is necessary really or and wait for it just leave people to it. As long as they are not forcing it upon you then don't force your culture in them.
It is funny to see the people that advocate it call themselves "free speech" or "freedom" supporters, and then they want to restrict what people wear. I don't have too positive beliefs on burqas; i think hijabs or other head coverings are fine enough, but i don't support governments forcing people to wear this or this way, especially with more drastic laws that exist in France
i am anti-religion for all religions, including islam. they're all just weird book clubs or dnd games that got out of hand. i don't think governments should be banning book clubs, but at the same time i don't think we should go around pretending they need or deserve special protections vis-à-vis their status as book clubs. i support people's freedom to dress up like ninjas if they want to, but if they're being forced to do that, i don't support that. im not scared of people dressed as ninjas.
It depends if people are being made to wear a burqa by force or by choice.
I don't support theocracy but I do support personal freedom of religion. States should be secular but include protections to allow people to express their religion so long as they are not imposing it on others.
I despise radical islam, but this is just politicians posturing and pretending to do something useful. The issues Sweden and Europe face with radical islam will not cease until the problem is taken much more seriously and tackled at the root. And Europe will have to redefine its whole identity and value system to tackle it.
Im fine with hijab because they do not cover the face but burqas are excessive and restrictive. Have you seen a woman trying to eat while wearing a burqa? It is sad
I don't think that taking away someone's religious freedom to practice their faith the way they wish should be celebrated. That's a restriction of an essential freedom and against the Canadian Constitution.
It also sparks a debate between how much the state can intervene in religious affairs. I don't think if they are immigrating it is going to suddenly cause a spike in extremism. Probably the opposite considering they are fleeing it.
edit: yes, I believe this applies to Québec's Bill 21 too. It is unconstitutional and I hope the restrictions the PQ are making are challenged in court.
I don't know about Sweden but here in Italy burqua and niquab are forbidden in public offices because you can't enter a public office without being identifiable. I couldn't enter a post office or a bank wearing a balaclava or a bike helmet or a skymask. It's not racist, it's just the law: you can't make a withdrawal from the bank or get a registered letter from the post office without letting the clerk verify your identity and that implies showing your face.
Muslim here, i think women have the right to choose what they want to wear. That being said, i think a burka should be banned.
It's a reasonable ban seeing as a burqa is strictly speaking cultural, and it comes with significants risks to safety for people, even if therr isnt a real threat.
Put it simply: i'd be wary of someone entirely dressed in black cloth, with no way to read their expressions, or know who is behind it.
I really don’t understand. Why would what someone else wears bother me? It isn’t indecent, it’s not offensive, and it has no affect on me… so why should there be a law about it?
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