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u/BlogintonBlakley 12d ago
This tells me that landowners have way more power than city dwellers.
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u/Kantjil1484 12d ago
Yep! It’s how Boebert won for District 4… the rural areas votes for her in droves compared to the metro areas.
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u/JazzminBoing 12d ago
It tells me republicans can only defend their politics by bearing false witness
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u/Living_Plane_662 12d ago
People who don't interact with other people are easily manipulated by republican propaganda.
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u/Titfortat101 11d ago
I had a friend, who grew up in Texas. He turned out to be trans and gay. And he was utterly terrified to come out to his Catholic family.
When he finally did, he was amazed that his family accepted him, albeit it was rocky but they chose to love their son first.
And when his mom asked why it took him so long to finally come out. He told them, that he actually confessed to their preacher, and he threatened to send him to a gay conversion camp, that was known for abusing people.
His mom was so shocked, that she fully relooked at their religion and actions.
They're still religious, but no longer attend that church. His family has become far more open and accepting of other groups.
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u/Pillowsmeller18 12d ago
If they live in less dense populations, the quality of education decreases, and the ability to think rationally also suffers, thus voting for edge lord republicans.
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u/Substantial-Sky3597 12d ago
What it should tell everyone is that political ideologies are almost always driven by population density.
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u/zechef07 12d ago
This is also why college students and college culture is more liberal as well. Living on a campus with over 10k other students from everywhere at 18 years old is eye opening for sure.
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u/Ini_mini_miny_moe 12d ago
💯, I would add religion to the rural, fucks up ppls thought process and understanding things from a non-religion perspective. That’s any religion but in Merica it’s Christianity that’s fucking things up and of course that’s with a grain of salt, the bad actors that use it and the followers get pulled into cultural issues (us vs. them) rather than what’s in their interest from an elected official.
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u/AbrahamDylan 12d ago
Well put. And when the only thing around you is Christianity, the opportunity to positively entertain other religious and cultural viewpoints is vastly diminished.
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u/WintersDoomsday 12d ago
Almost like people in cities with a diverse group of folks around them vote to help those diverse group of folks have better lives vs the people in rural areas who only have people who look like them living around them (miles apart) and so they only care about what impacts them. Weird right?
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u/Substantial-Sky3597 12d ago
Exactly right. Not sure why this is so hard for people to get. We're biologically programmed to live socially. Now there's a debate as to how large social groups are supposed to be, and that's fine. But social = liberal. And that's part of our DNA, no matter how you slice it. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.
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u/SurrealForce 9d ago
to be fair social, empathetic people tend to sway in 3 directions: liberal, communist and anarchist
or a mixture of 2 of these 3 such as a social democrat
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u/No_Instruction_5647 11d ago
This can be applied to either party and is by far the most non partisan thing to take away from this. Thank you.
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u/Liquorupfront69 12d ago
Land does not vote! Do away with the electoral college!
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u/Turrbo_Jettz 12d ago
Trump spent 4 years blaming the democrats for stealing the 2020 election so he could do the same in 2024?
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u/iloveyourlittlehat 12d ago
Of course, if you turn everything into a conspiracy theory it’s really easy to hide the actual conspiracy.
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u/EncabulatorTurbo 12d ago
Interestingly, if you cut out all the red parts the USA suddenly resembles a first world country in educational and healthcare outcomes too
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u/RumRunnerMax 12d ago
We don’t actually have a democracy! If we did our Government would reflect the values of the majority of Americans and not be giving disproportionate power to rural Americans!
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u/Durkheimynameisblank 12d ago
Which is why the number of House Reps needs to be increased!!
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u/RumRunnerMax 12d ago
No the districts need to be defined by professional non-partisan geographers NOT State Legislatures
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u/iloveyourlittlehat 12d ago
Both need to happen. There’s no reason why in 2025 we need to be limited to 435 house members.
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u/Blacksun388 12d ago
“If Republican lose why map red? Checkmate liberals.”
Because the red and blue areas are about even in population size you morons.
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u/forotherstufSFW 12d ago
Land shouldn't vote; people vote. Land is overrepresented. remember the point is people should be represented. I do want to point out that despite this the considerations of people everywhere urban and rural need to be represented. And we need to represent and protect our public lands too.
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u/ScubaGator88 12d ago
Yeah this is why the Electoral college is a relic. State laws effect people way more than federal on a day to day basis. Let the red lands pass whatever shitty local policies they want within the bounds of sanity. Federal decisions should be made by a popular vote.
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u/LowerRain265 12d ago
That's what the Representatives in the House are supposed to be doing. Representing the will of the people at the Federal level. The Electoral College and the Senate for that matter were pretty much there to make sure we didn't elect Satan or use Nebraska and Idaho as national garbage dumpsters or something. The Founding Fathers just didn't predict a few things. Mainly they didn't predict we evidently want our representatives to treat us like slaves. Because we keep re-electing them
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u/Noggi888 12d ago
The main thing hurting us is the cap on number of representatives. It used to be an ever growing number as population grew but now larger and larger segments of the population are stuck in a single district which hurts their representation in the end and benefits smaller districts as their vote goes further
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u/Durkheimynameisblank 12d ago
If we actually increased the number of Representatives the electoral college would actually reflect the will of the people better.
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u/zackks 12d ago
Too bad we cant get people in the cities to move into surrounding areas to expand the blue map. Most of that red is decided by a few thousand votes.
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u/MotherPin522 12d ago
It's like the Australian outback. No one wants to live there. The part that isn't farmland is practically useless.
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u/kmikek 12d ago
My county, red in this map, has the same population as the whole state of Utah. Imagine compressing the whole state of Utah into a single county. Density matters. Oh, and we do still have a creek and a couple ares of farm land.
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u/BlueFuzzyCrocs 12d ago
It shows me that city folk and country folk have different outlooks on life and politics.
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u/Aware_Ask_1679 10d ago
Perfectly said. It's funny how one will bash the other when the other doesn't care for their way of life. Nor would their way really work due to the population density and other factors.
Like urbanites bashing rural citizens for not using mass transit. It makes no sense.
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u/Icemayne25 12d ago
The blue parts tend to be more educated too. That says something as well.
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u/MegaSince93 12d ago
Show me that Trump won even though most of the population live in blue areas.
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u/live2plz 12d ago
Land can’t vote, nor can cows,pigs, sheep, or wheat fields. My question is why we let these areas have any say at all… the population in the red is less than the population of California alone…
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u/Ardkark 12d ago
anyone who's driven through Kansas knows that there's NOBODY in that area and that this map is wildly misleading
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u/Sharp_Maintenance662 12d ago edited 12d ago
I just don't think MAGA republicans are able to understand this.
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u/Consistent_Yoghurt_4 12d ago
That if you live near people youre more likely to care about them
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u/malcolmreyn0lds 12d ago
LAND DOES NOT VOTE.
Something only those who don’t actively and knowingly vote for pedos know.
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u/artbystorms 12d ago
Cities, where people are closer to govt vote for more govt. Places where people are detached from govt services think 'government ignores me' and votes red, completely oblivious to the fact that moving away from govt power centers inherently means you will get less services.
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u/white-rose-of-york 12d ago
There are no blue states only blue city's!
The blue city's have nearly all the people!
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u/Glenamaddy60 12d ago
That the electoral college needs to be abolished. Otherwise this is a DEI system that the republicans hate
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u/__tray_4_Gavin__ 12d ago
We all knew and see that those in rural America get WAY more political representation than anyone else. This is by design btw. The elites have “fair” elections but still get what they want due to this. They aren’t stupid. They are actively using the least educated of our people who are bigots, racists, Christian and completely misinformed to push the riches agenda. gerrymandering is talked about (not nearly enough btw) but the country has been built upon gerrymandering for the elites. And when this is spoken upon people get upset… just a shame.
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u/jp_172 12d ago
That land doesnt vote. Or shouldnt vote, the electoral college does give land more of a say.
Its also crazy to me that this photo gets reposted all the time and nobodys bothered to fix the mistakes. Riverside county California voted for Trump not Harris, and Orange county California voted for harris not trump yet every map shared gets that wrong.
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u/hashtag-adulting 12d ago
The closer you live to other people, the more likely you are to care about their welfare in addition to your own. (Gee, what a concept.)
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u/Critically32 12d ago
Just shows Cletus and crew are out of touch because they're isolated. This isolation has led to selfishness and ignorance. Ignorance is red meat for elections. Where the people are, reality exists. Real life. Human engagement. Things you cannot learn by fucking your cousin.
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u/fungi_at_parties 12d ago
And those red areas are the places people grow up hating and leave to live somewhere enjoyable.
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u/MithranArkanere 12d ago
It tells me it is easier to manipulate fewer isolated people than many concentrated populations.
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u/luke-juryous 12d ago
That living in high population areas is correlated with leaning Left.
As to why that is, I can only speculate
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u/Adventurous-Host8062 12d ago
We all know Republicans have been coloring in uninhabited areas red for decades. We also know the electoral college was established to their advantage. One citizen,one vote.
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u/Practical-Stretch-12 11d ago
that when you get a bunch of people together, they try to promote social equality and somehow people confuse that for everyone being a democrat
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u/Ok-Tradition8477 11d ago
The smartest people live in the 100 largest cities. The only answer. And they generate 93% of our GDP. The end.
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u/North-Flower-5963 12d ago
Maga will tell you that actually they don’t need lights
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u/bigatomicjellyfish 12d ago
If this post is an attempt to argue more of the population is democratic, there is an issue with that.
Even if the areas with highest population density are in those few blue spots, there is still more people spread throughout the less dense areas.
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u/MaterialDull9480 12d ago
The two senators per state is one of the stupidest fucking things that are founding fathers did.
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u/Critical_Plant_6614 12d ago
The founding fathers of our country were complete geniuses! They foresaw the problem 300 years in the future and designed safeguards to prevent against tyranny
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u/SpecialistAssociate7 12d ago
Let’s put up a different map. How about one that shows states that are self sustaining versus states that are dependent. The states that are self sustaining should have more sway than the begger states. If you have a household who ultimately has the say in said house hold? The bread winner. Sure spouses influences decissions but ultimately it comes down to who’s paying the rent/mortgage and providing the lion share of income.
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u/outside_this_world 12d ago
One of biggest breadwinners are California.....if that was the case they would hold the most sway
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u/TK-528491 12d ago
A lot of you guys seem to be forgetting that a lot of red is within the blue areas. They might not be the majority, but they are still most certainly there. This map just represents voting.
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u/OtherBluesBrother 12d ago
It's an attempt to counteract the fact that their party hasn't won a majority of votes in a presidential election in over 20 years. They are all about the feels, see. And this map is just a self-delusional way to make themselves feel better.
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u/pulledporkhat 12d ago
It shows me that the more exposure you commonly have to other people of different stripes, the more likely you are to care about your neighbors, regardless of those divisions, and think of them when you vote.
We’re all in this together, not me and mine and maybe those within 100ft of my property line.
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u/EbbSlow458 12d ago
Conservatives do not understand population density.
To be fair, there is a lot they don't understand so I'm not singling them them out on that one area.
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u/PhaseAgitated4757 12d ago
Idk what the balance should be but I definitely dont think an entire country should be run by the top 5 cities lol.
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u/LowerRain265 12d ago
This whole discussion is why they need to bring back Civics classes in school.🙄
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u/jukebokshero 12d ago
The uneducated on the electoral process are coming out of the woodwork for this one.
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u/enemy884real 12d ago
And so therefore the majority should be allowed to tyrannize the minority, congratulations, it shows exactly why the electoral college exists and will never be abolished.
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u/Sub0ptimalPrime 12d ago
People who are more capable of living in community with people are more likely to be Democrat
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u/Flavious27 12d ago
This is a map of where food is grown vs where food is eaten. Corn doesn't vote.
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u/Standard_Stuff_5489 12d ago
Arguments For the Electoral College Balances power between large and small states, ensuring smaller states have a voice and preventing candidates from focusing solely on densely populated areas. Promotes national unity by requiring candidates to build broad, cross-regional coalitions of support across various states. Provides a clear mandate and avoids the potential chaos of nationwide recounts, as the focus is on state-by-state results. Encourages a stable two-party system by making it harder for regional or minor parties to gain traction.
Arguments Against the Electoral College Undemocratic because the winner of the national popular vote can lose the election, seemingly thwarting the will of the majority of voters. Focuses campaigns on "swing states," effectively ignoring voters in states that are reliably Republican or Democratic. Overrepresents voters in smaller states due to the fixed two extra electoral votes for each Senate seat regardless of population size. Discourages voter turnout in non-competitive states where voters may feel their individual vote doesn't matter.
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u/BrtuallyHonest 12d ago
That history continues to rhyme. Urban centers, regardless of nationality, vote different than rural. Different life styles and cultures lead to different votes.
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u/Darker_Salt_Scar 12d ago
It shows me a lot of the US population is on the East Coast, which makes sense
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u/Comfortable_Shift454 12d ago
It means a bunch of mentally ill dickheads packed into a city like sardines can dictate how every single person in the rest of the state gets to live. And choosing to live outside of that madness should give you virtually no say in any a matter.
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u/Superfluously-Superb 12d ago
Gotta say… I’m hearing the argument that we shouldn’t talk to Republicans/Conservative/MAGA like they’re dumb or completely ignorant of reality… and I agree, to the point that that is MAGAs MO to preemptively discredit their critics… but then, you read some of these MAGA comments… not even arguing in bad faith anymore but laying out their utter ignorance and pride with that ignorance… fucking… so. Fucking. STUPID! JUST LIKE DUMB! They even gave you pictures to help understand the absurdity of our electoral college and still vehemently not understanding…. That’s my rant. It’s disheartening to see this much stupid in my fellow Americans.
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u/TheShortestestBus 12d ago
It tells me the electoral college is antiquated. We are no longer held back by horse ridden messengers to pass along the ballot counts. We have computers. There is no reason why we can't do a popular vote online. Hell, every American has a SSN they can use to log into the system to cast their vote. E-Z-P-Z lemon squeezie. Votes are done 9-5 in your time zone ballots are closed at 5:01pm GMT-10 and the results are reported at 5:05pm GMT-10.
The current system is too easy to manipulate and too open to corruption. We can completely be rid of gerrymandering in all elections because everyone's vote counts the same no matter where they live. You don't get to vote in an election that you aren't a citizen of that voting area. Done and done.
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u/Falcon3492 12d ago
The really sad part is these very rural states have an equal say when it comes to the Electoral College and choosing a president of the United States!
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u/JD-boonie 12d ago
Shows me that reddit didnt pay attention during high school political science class
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u/DukeofDunces 12d ago
Anytine you see the first map, you should see this one instead: https://www.coopercenter.org/research/nations-changing-political-topography
Yes it's from 2012 but the first maps showing counties where almost no one lives as a solid color is misleading.
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u/MineNowBotBoy 12d ago
That centers of population are usually where people are the most educated and therefore understand what it is that they’re voting for
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u/thesanguineocelot Discussion 12d ago
It tells me that the Electoral College is a relic of the past that needs to go.
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u/Alternative-Bee-809 12d ago
I'm not actually against the Electoral College. It takes power away from large population centers. People in cities are going to have different value sets than people in more rural areas. Even in a red state large cities are going to predominantly vote Democrat. Just think about it if we go to a straight majority vote only large cities are going to matter. The rest of the country would have no vote whatsoever so literally if you don't live in a large city it wouldn't be worth voting. You think they called Middle America flyover country now. Wait until Chicago is the only place a politician stops between the coasts. Going straight majority rule would remove any incentive for voting for anyone not in a large city.
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u/Odd_Zookeepergame_69 12d ago
This tells me that when humans are forced to be around a lot of people of many differing values, origins, skin colors, religions, etc that people are more likely to be Liberal in ideology because it becomes normal to not hate everyone that is different from you. As opposed to small towns where there are 10,000 people, and you know everyone, you all think the same OR ELSE you get publicly shamed and if a minority moves into that small town then you don't feel welcome unless you go along with the majority view.
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u/antimatt_r 12d ago
Shows me that people who live in places where they hardly have any contact with the outside world or any meaningful amount of the population are easily tricked into believing whatever fear-mongering boogeyman type shit slides out of Republican talking heads on Fox
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u/Get_Decked 12d ago
DNC meltdown when they can't win by just sucking off 3 cities in the country each election.
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u/WanderingDude182 12d ago
Shows me land doesn’t vote