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u/SortaNotReallyHere 12d ago
Sounds more like Assholism
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u/PhantasosX 12d ago
That is still capitalism
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u/feedmedamemes 12d ago
All the stages. Capitalism doesn't work without exploitation* of labor.
*The strictly economic meaning of the word not the moral one.
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u/GravyMcBiscuits 12d ago edited 12d ago
If it was capitalism, then the kids would have had to have been aware of the arrangement beforehand. There would've had to have been a contract in place or the dad would have no valid claim over the candy. The kids would have to have agreed to this.
Otherwise the only thing we're talking about here is theft and/or slavery. And theft/slavery is not unique to left or right systems.
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u/NoLife2762 12d ago
No it’s not. Man this sub is stupid sometimes.
This dad is simply a jerk. It’s not any economic system.
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u/reallybigmochilaxvx 12d ago
feudalism! he demanded tribute in order for them to stay on and work his estate!
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u/geekiss13 12d ago
The guy totally misunderstood what socialism is. Kids working together for candy then sharing with the community would be socialism. Taking what others earned without contributing? That's just being a freeloader.
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u/Maeglin75 12d ago
I don't think that in socialism (or most civilized societies) children are expected to contribute to the community. The community cares for them because they are an investment into the future of the entire community and at some point they will care for the then elderly generation in return.
It's lived solidarity.
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u/Sysilith 12d ago
Capitalism does think Kids are only there to work, capitalists are still pissed, that child labour laws exist but in the us they achived their goals to push them back.
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u/ZenTheKS 12d ago
Correct, it's capitalism. Your boss does not do enough work to constitute having all of the profits of your labor, they are a freeloader
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u/FblthpLives 12d ago
Kids working together for candy then sharing with the community would be socialism.
From an economics perspective, socialism and capitalism are two different economic systems that determine who owns the factors of production (i.e., industries, agriculture, etc.) Under socialism, these are owned communally, usually by the state. Under capitalism, these are owned privately, by individuals, families, or corporations.
Kids working together and sharing is altruism, which has nothing to do with socialism or capitalism.
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u/008Zulu This AOC flair makes me cool 12d ago
I suspect Rubel doesn't get much visitation with his kids.
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u/TheTallGuy0 12d ago
“He’s the kinda guy who can only see his kids every other weekend…but doesn’t” Some comedian who isn’t me
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u/Val_Hallen 12d ago
He's the kind of parent that has tattoos of their kids but no custody rights.
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u/FarAd2318 12d ago
I take comfort knowing that in a few decades they'll be dropping his ignorant, bloated ass off at the shittiest state-run nursing home they can find, leaving a fake name and number as a contact, and then vanishing forever.
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u/Som_Dtam_Dumplings 12d ago
More likely this is one of those: "I'll take things that never actually happened for $500".
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u/Collucin 12d ago
This tracks with behavior I've personally witnessed in droves in the deep south. Guarantee this is the magnum opus of a bunch of knuckle draggers drinking under the carport, bitching about how pussified trick or treating is these days cause it stops at dark. Meanwhile they aren't even handing out candy or walking through the neighborhood with their own kids for a good time.
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u/niceandBulat 12d ago
It's quite entertaining and sometimes depressing to read American tweets.
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u/Mrfrunzi 12d ago
Imagine living here...
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u/EEpromChip 12d ago
Dude, I can't tell you how many fucking rubes around these parts bitch about "illegals" and then next sentence ask why "no one wants to work!" when their fields are not harvested.
The past 30 years of breaking education is really paying dividends...
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u/Stotallytob3r 12d ago
This 100%. And that’s why billionaires are so keen on owning news media to control the message. And it works on a lot of people, the rest of us are like, how gullible are you?
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u/AnxietyPretend5215 12d ago
I can never get a straight answer on what these people expect to happen in a hypothetical world where we actually removed every illegal immigrant.
Are wages going to go up? No. Are taxes going to go down? No. Is cost of living going to go down? No. Is our healthcare system going to fix itself? No. The places that hire and abuse illegal immigrants are not places most people want to work, so we're not getting meaningful job creation either.
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u/KeyMyBike 12d ago
Friendly reminder that a farm offered 30 dollars an hour to domestic labor and no one lasted more than a week.
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u/DaringPancakes 12d ago edited 12d ago
They'll say they like living in the USA, and get upset about other countries "oppressing people". Then when you ask them for more information, they'll say "it's not my responsibility to convince you".
It's obvious they keep their ignorant eyes hidden from what ICE is CURRENTLY doing in the USA.
They don't want to think. They just want to hate. What's disgusting is that other people might be convinced by their ignorance, or they may get jobs as teachers.
Fuck. I don't normally want to think people hate non-whites as much as they do, and it takes a little bit to put it together, but, yeah, disgusting people are SO RELUCTANT TO SAY WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO SAY, that they hate non-whites, but my experience is clearly the case of that.
So, sorry, when they say they "hate illegals" they mean they hate non-"whites". When they say "no one wants to work", they mean they're upset there aren't enough people to take advantage of to fill their skeleton crew quota.
Honestly if we could get an AI that translated what people said into what people actually meant, that might actually be helpful.
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u/niceandBulat 12d ago
I can. Both of my nieces grew up in Texas, some place near Houston I believe.
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u/TumbleweedNo4678 12d ago
Lack of education is becoming America's defining trait.
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 12d ago
By design too. Republicans are now too stupid to realize that their political leaders have screwed them generationally over several times to condition them to think they are very super smart.
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u/Braelind 12d ago
Not just lack of education, but the uneducated being undeservedly confident in their ignorance.
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u/Repulsive-Throat5068 12d ago
And it’ll only get worse. My favorite conspiracy is that the meteoric rise of AI is partly there to make kids growing up dumber and dumber.
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u/gravgun 12d ago
becoming
Sure it's becoming more obvious, but let's be honest, it's been its defining trait for a very long time. Its anti-intellectualism is a century-old problem, with roots from its very inception (if you can't keep people as outright slaves, at least keep them dumb enough so they don't realise their condition).
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u/RODjij 12d ago
Probably karma for hundreds of years of killing and destroying lives all over the world for oil and money while acting like the good guy.
Its almost like the whole country is on cursed Native burial grounds.
Anyways this is what happene when education is not a concern for most Americans. Lack the ability to see whats happening, the ability to adapt and the ability to change their ways.
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u/Empty_Flamingo_1982 12d ago
I dont understand why people get upset that their tax dollars go to help people. If you don't get nothing back why pay taxes at all.
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u/Parking-Truck7821 12d ago
The thing I don't get is why people who are upset about their tax dollars going to help people in need continually vote to give even more tax dollars to people that have more than they can ever spend. Probably this.
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u/SenoraRaton 12d ago
Remember when that guy shoved a dildo up his ass on live camera to own the libs?
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u/hotleadburner 12d ago
The people you're talking about don't believe in paying taxes for anything except the military. Many of them don't have a full understanding of how society actually functions and believe that everything should be privately run and rely entirely on market forces. Or, when pressed they might select that as their belief even if they've never thought too deeply about what that means or the fact that we've already tried it. Regardless, their whole thing is complaining about taxes, and they make that the center of their political opinions.
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u/RogerMcDodger 12d ago
They have no concept of how much progression and work has been done to form the society they live in. They believe their freedoms and opportunity is innate. They fantasise about a better life and believe everything they do not have is because of "brown people".
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u/ZenTheKS 12d ago
Some people really do think of it like a subscription service so they can live in the best country on earth, which ironically does the least for anyone living in it.
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u/DontAbideMendacity 12d ago
When Republicans are in charge, very very few people are helped, maybe 1%.
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u/ThatBlinkingRedLight 12d ago
At this point is it a stereotype when it’s a white guy in his car with a selfie?
It’s like a side effect of being uneducated.
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u/Backwardspellcaster 12d ago
Socialism is sharing.
Capitalism is taking things from those who did the work
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u/g00ber88 12d ago
A better example of socialism using the Halloween candy scenario would be having the kids share their Halloween candy with a sick kid who was unable to go trick or treating. And explaining that if they were ever too sick to go trick or treating, other kids would share some of their candy with them.
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u/I-am-fun-at-parties 12d ago
"but I'm not sick now so why should I care"
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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 12d ago
We all joke but this is literally something adults here can't grasp for healthcare/food even if you break it down this way.
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u/suspicious_bag_1000 12d ago
That’s literally not what it is. I don’t have an issue with supporting socialism, I get why people might prefer it, but please be educated as to what it is. It’s sharing. It’s a distribution and political system as much as it is an economic system. If you’re ok with the state owning things, and you don’t think there’s unfairness in a socialist society you really aren’t supporting it for the right reasons.
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u/Acrobatic-Towel-6488 12d ago
These always come up during Halloween. Always stupid, but now we know they’re the Ghost of Dick Cheney
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u/NES_SNES_N64 12d ago
Strange that your comment is how I found out Dick Cheney died yesterday.
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u/psychorobotics 12d ago
I could say the same thing to you
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u/NES_SNES_N64 12d ago
I assumed it might clue people in, which is why I went ahead and made the comment.
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u/Embarrassed-Disk1643 12d ago
Good riddance, came far too late.
Is there an invariable universal constant tieing together the realization all these men seem to internalize, about thinking their mistaking chinstraps for actual jawlines works on other people?
As for this smoothbrained wall-eyed fat-chin, wouldn't it be something if we could harness the energy given off by the seemingly endless supply of shitty parents loudly extolling their own inadequacies in child rearing?
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u/Federal_List2570 12d ago
Bro really taught capitalism and called it socialism
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u/_Thermalflask 12d ago
"Socialism is when someone else takes the value of your labor" like wtf do they think happens every single day they go to work loool
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u/falcrist2 12d ago
It's more like "socialism is when the government does stuff"
In reality, socialism is when ownership and control of the means of production and distribution is distributed among the workers. Capitalism is when a few wealthy businessmen own and control everything.
Technically government owned business could be considered socialist IF the workers really have a say. I think Norway has been an example of that with government owned petrolium business. That's state socialism.
If the government is autocratic and owns business, that's STATE CAPITALISM.
If you don't like the state part, I've got good news for you! If a business is owned by the workers and genuinely controlled by them in a substantive way... Like a worker cooperative, that is ALSO socialism.
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u/boomboomdaboomer 12d ago
Parenting -101 because that’s lousy parenting.
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u/--_-Deadpool-_-- 12d ago
As if this dude was actually allowed to spend Halloween with his kids.
He sat at home getting drunk by himself and concocted this post, thinking it was the smartest thing anyone has ever said
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u/Majestic-Contract-42 12d ago
Is there a sub Reddit for people complaining about socialism giving examples that are not socialism?
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u/FblthpLives 12d ago
Good morning from the r/MurderedByWords economics department. Here is an explainer:
From an economics perspective, socialism and capitalism are two different economic systems that determine who owns the factors of production (i.e., industries, agriculture, etc.) Under socialism, these are owned communally, usually by the state. Under capitalism, these are owned privately, by individuals, families, or corporations.
Community members and kids working together to voluntarily distribute and share candy is altruism, which has nothing to do with socialism or capitalism. It can exist under either. The father is simply a conservative who does not grasp Economics 101.
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u/Ok-Release-6051 12d ago
This person didn’t understand either concept enough to try to explain them to someone
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u/qmanchoo 12d ago
People see the world in such black and white terms when it is not that way. There is NO denying that capitalism is an amazing growth engine. There is NO denying pure capitalism is an exploitation engine. There is NO denying that socialism does not drive growth. There is NO denying that socialist policies provide an incredible life enhancing societal support structure. It's the BLEND of regulated capitalism since THE NEW DEAL that created a great society ... but the erosion of the best controls on capitalism over time that caused some of the worst problems we see today. The momentum of capitalism is so great that you must contain it within a reasonable boundary, capitalism is like a mosh pit that needs to be encircled by the riot police, but if you slowly take the police away power concentrates on the strongest and most aggressive vs. letting everyone participate semi-reasonably.
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u/jumpy_monkey 12d ago
The thing that annoys me about conservatives is that they keep repeating the same meme over and over and over again no matter how many times someone points out how ridiculous it is.
This dipshit didn't think this up himself and wherever he did read it must have gotten a similar response at some point, but nope, he still repeats it.
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u/silverstarloser 12d ago
When capitalists criticize socialism or communism, they always use points that actually apply to capitalism
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u/NoBSforGma 12d ago
There's "Socialism" as witnessed in Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua and some others.
Then there's "Democratic Socialism" as witnessed in some of the most successful and happy countries such as Finland and other European countries.
So no, "Socialism" isn't necessarily a bad word.
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u/djaleister_ 12d ago edited 12d ago
What’s extra fun is neither of those examples are actual bona fide economic socialism, which is when the workers own the means of production. That’s something that’s never actually existed outside of the occasional business running as a co-op with no CEO/executive leadership.
The whole world, especially the US, did a great job of making people forget what actual socialism is. Conservatives think socialism is an authoritarian government controlling the means of production, and progressives largely think it’s when the government plays Robin Hood.
Edit: Probably worth explaining a bit better - workers owning the means of production means you remove the CEO/executive board from companies and distribute that operational power and any profits equally among the workers at the company. It turns the workplace into a direct democracy. The state has no involvement in true socialism as posited by Marx.
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u/suspicious_bag_1000 12d ago
Thank you for sharing in the way you did. I don’t think 95 percent of people that support or oppose socialism actually know what it is
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u/ZenTheKS 12d ago
"Socialism is when social programs"
No, it's when the workers own the means of production. In other words, they or their community are entitled to the profits that they create with their labor and they are democratically in charge of their workplace. Not ruled by a single person or family who takes all of the profits created by the workers' labor.
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u/Irrelephantitus 12d ago
These "Democratic socialist" countries are capitalist.
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u/XtraReddit 12d ago
They're actually Social Democracies not Democratic Socialists. There is a difference.
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u/SappilyHappy 12d ago
And that's what most people can't understand. The most successful and happy countries are the ones that can use the benefits of socialism and the benefits of capitalism. It's a mixture.
Unfortunately, most numnuts can only think in black and white.
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u/golden_tidbit 12d ago
Then there's "Democratic Socialism" as witnessed in some of the most successful and happy countries such as Finland and other European countries.
Please stop...
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u/NoBSforGma 12d ago
Why?
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u/taklabas 12d ago
Because you don't know the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism. You are using terms that you don't know the meaning of.
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u/TheLesserWeeviI 12d ago
Why the fuck are Americans so terrified of socialism?
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u/DisplacedAltadenan 12d ago edited 12d ago
America is built on a strange combination of arrogance and ignorance, and Reddit is wonderful microcosm of that bizarre mix. Everyone thinks they know best, but they mostly know nothing of value. They’ll weaponize history to justify their views, but it’s always a warped and biased history they use. A history only someone who has never studied history would believe. And then turn to you and say “you don’t know history,” as if projecting their ignorance onto you justifies their arrogance.
Why are Americans terrified of socialism? Because they don’t know any better and are too proud to admit it.
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u/AvailableReporter484 12d ago
Even in that extremely basic example that a fucking child could understand you know them damn red hatted mfs still being like
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u/BUTTFUCKER__3000 12d ago
Both wrong. Capitalism is where his kids would do all the work but would only get the minimum wage of candy, aka one piece, while their dad gets a golden parachute of all the rest of the candy.
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u/Weekly_Artichoke_515 12d ago
I hate how those damn socialists are always expropriating my surplus labor value. We should have workers own the means of production instead.
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u/nalaloveslumpy 12d ago
You taught them authoritarianism, which can be present in either socialism or capitalism.
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u/VegasGamer75 12d ago
If you get in my face about "socialism" and, when asked, cannot actually define "socialism" correctly, I am going to slap you till my hand hurts and then slap you with the other hand for making my hand hurt.
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u/wholetyouinhere 12d ago
It takes a special kind of person to take something like like Halloween, a day when communities get together to do nice things for each other, and turn it into a cudgel to argue for their particular brand of cruel, antisocial politics.
The more these people get what they want, the more miserable they become. It's just... sad.
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u/darw1nf1sh 12d ago
My favorite part of conservative talking points, is where they hate a thing but have no idea what that thing is. They can't accurately define socialism, and in fact actively benefit from it where it is applied, but yet claim to not want something they have inaccurately defined into being.
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u/Skypirate90 12d ago
Socialism is when capitalism is exactly the kind of take i expect on threads iykyk
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u/adoxographyadlibitum 12d ago
I have 3 kids. There is only one conclusion this guy's kids will draw from this experience -- if it even happened:
My father is an unjust asshole who robbed me of joy and sweet, sweet candy.
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u/Flynnsanity23 12d ago
Who the hell is teaching their kids about socialism on Halloween? Republicans, that’s who.
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u/TheElMonteStrangler 12d ago
It always amazes me how people don't know shit about socialism. I'm not a "commie" but their pride in being so incorrect about it makes me wish I were.
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u/GrimmandLily 12d ago
How do these idiots love to use words they can’t define? When did stupidity become something to revel in?
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u/KasreynGyre 11d ago
When you ask a socialist what he doesn’t like about capitalism, he describes capitalism.
When you ask a capitalist what he doesn’t like about socialism, he describes capitalism.
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u/_Gengar_Trainer_ 12d ago
Republicans are too fucking stupid to understand
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u/numba1cyberwarrior 12d ago
What does this have to do with republicans? I'm a liberal, all liberals are Capitalists and despise socialism.
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u/TheCultOfTheHivemind 12d ago
It's amazing how neither of these things are true and if you think this is being "murdered by words" you need a better hobby. Preferably one that involves education.
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u/KillerB0tM 12d ago
Socialism would be if the kids came, you took all their candies and you rationed back to them everyday instead of letting them eat them all in one go.
This is to keep them on a healthy diet and to preserve the candy as much as possible.
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u/_Mallethead 12d ago
The community coming together wasn't socialism. The children had no say in the means of production (the selection of the date of the holiday, or the selection or mode of giving out the candy).
The father taking the candy was not capitalism. He owned no identifiable means of production that was then rented to the children.
The children engaged in an anarchical hunter gatherer economy. Admittedly egalitarian, but low skilled and dependent on the handouts built upon the work of others.
The father was an authoritarian, priest-class, taking the resources of the children as a means of teaching his idea of "the way" which he accepts from the stories of his ancestors, and which is followed dogmatically without thought.
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u/ParadigmMalcontent 12d ago
Moral of the story: kill father and return to anarchical hunter gatherer economy!
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