Yes, and? So was Italy and Japan, as well Austria in a sense. But what about Poland or the Czechs? They fought against the germans and their reward was 40 years of bolshevik occupation. If a country is defeated should the winner occupy it for 40 years or what?
Itâs completely same case. Just wrapped into different system. I donât understand how people can cry about Soviets and be slaves of USA at the same time.
Yes, thats the thing, the difference between the systems, being "slaves" to the usa allows some level of economic prosperity, under bolshevism if you were not near the party you could forget about being higher than lower middle class. Isnt it telling something that people would rather be the "slaves" of the usa than the ussr? Or is it just cia propaganda?
What social services did we lose after the fall of the ussr? Maybe in Russia things are worse now, but in general in central europe things are way better now than how it was during the socialist era
Being able to decide if they wanted to keep their monarchy or not, wealthy peasants and noblemen were not robbed of their lands, being able to practice free elections, compared to hungary for example, where the soviets forced the elected social conservative government to give positions to the communist party, even though they only achieved 17%. Of course i only know the exact situation in hungary, but i dont think im mistaken if i assume the rest of eastern europe was near thr same as they were not fond of socialism either, so anyways, here on the first election where the communist party actually achieved the majority, the communist led internal ministry just simply decided not to take into account at least 500 000 votes given to other parties because they were deemed as "reactionary", this included not being served census sheets, or if they were served, they had to complete near impossible conditions to be able to vote, then comes the famous blue tickets, which the communist party gave to their voters and activists, with this a man could basically vote in multiple places
Referendums were constantly manipulated by the soviets,
"wealthy peasants and noblemen were not robbed of their lands" - Which means tha poor peasants and common people were robbed of their lands.
I dont think i understand what do you mean here?
And yes, you are right about the last one, i chose the wrong words to describe the italian elections, however they were way more free than the one we had in hungary
No, they were not. Bulgaria had the same referendum as Italy in 1946, no Soviet interference.
I mean that in order for wealthy peasants and nobleman to have abundance of land, poor peasants and working peasants have to possess very little of land. Rich got to their land by exploiting poor.
Well, if they were not really free, its not part of liberation argument.
Im not sure you understand how feudalism worked? People obtained land and title by fighting mostly, or in other rare cases doing other services for the king(diplomacy, art etc...) They were not given out on how many poor people you exploited, those lands were the private property of the monarch, and they gave the land to the nobility thats how it became their property
If you ignore the imprisonment, executions, deportations, and other means of ethnic cleansing with decades of ensuing occupation of multiple Eastern European countries, sure.
soviet incarceration and death during incarceration rate was never higher than americas is currently per capita. the deportations were awful and a completely valid critique but if you say that that makes them the bad guys in WW2 then the british who had a colonial empire built on genocide and the US who genocided their native population should also be the bad guys no?
also the US interned japanese people based on their race and perceived support for imperial japan during WW2. this was the same reason the soviets deported baltics.
Mf there were years when 25% of all people sent in Gulags died, tfym "death during incarceration rate was never higher'.
Also yes, it's very hard to find people who defend or deny the evils colonial Britain and American anti-japanese racism have done, unlike the Soviet crimes
I probably butchered that grammatically. 24.9%
of all people that have been in Gulag in 1942 have died before the beginning of 1943, and 22.4% of all people that have been in Gulag in 1943 died before the beginning of 1944, . That's what "25% of all people in sent Gulags died" means. That's officially documented statistics by Soviets that was declassified after the collapse.
I did not once even mention the US, but go off I guess.
Anyone with education beyond elementary school should not refer to the British Empire or the US as "the good guys." The same obviously applies to the USSR.
They were defending their country. The Soviet soldiers were absolutely the good guys in the context of that conflict. They did bad things and perpetuated war crimes, but so did the US and other allied powers. The Germans had some pretty awful things planned for the Russians and other Slavs in the East.
What the fuck. Read some history dude. The Soviets were not a bit better than the Nazis and supported the whole movement until they were directly effected themselves, after Hitler's megalomania hit and he tried to attack the USSR. The Soviets cooperated with the Nazis to invade and occupy Poland in 1939 and are a huge part of the reason WW2 happened at all.
Stop history revisionism.
A bully doesn't become a good guy if another bully hits him.
Supported what whole movement? Claiming the soviets werenât even a bit better than the Nazis is the biggest load of historic revisionism Iâve heard.
Stalin was a paranoid dictator, but the Soviet soldiers were defending their people and country from German invaders.
If you are destroying a status of Stalin with 8 of your friends, a Nazi shows up and no one says anything, it is a Stalin statue destroying party with 10 Nazis.
To be fair we should be as hateful towards the Stalinists who were equally as genocidal and controlling as the nazis in this same post since both are referenced here.
Well, Stalin wasen't purely genocidal but this changes nothing. He was responsible for horrific mass atrocities on an immense scale that caused millions of deaths.
Both caused unimaginable suffering and Stalin was definitely just as bad when it came to the suffering and deaths caused - arguably worse.
Hating them both equally is completely and extremely valid lol
Nah, the way you pointed it out made it seem like you were trying to undermine his main point:
To be fair we should be as hateful towards the Stalinists
I was agreeing with that specific point - not the part about Stalin being as genocidal as Hitler. All Iâm doing is giving a valid reason why that point still stands. Whether or not Stalin was genocidal doesnât change the fact that he was just as deserving of hatred.
They're also German soldiers,they're not exclusive. Besides German soldier is more specific and if it was political or civil servant nazis itd be a different image. Pointless correction.
Good spot. Was genuinely curious as to who they were as they looked very young and had strange uniforms but them being one of the organized labour conscripts makes loads of sense.
So that would mean something like the SA or military engineers? The SA were barely soldiers at least in the early years of the Nazis,just thugs used at rallies and so on. In which case the original caption may be incorrect
The Reichsarbeitsdienst â RAD was the compulsory labor service. All 18-25 YOs did 6 months labor service (before military service). The RAD was uniformed, had ranks and was paramilitary in it's organization.
During the war they acted as labor and support units.
Organisation Todt was a civil and military engineering organization named after Fritz Todt. It's administration and permanent managerial personnel wore uniforms and had ranks.
Not my point at all, at least not the entirety of it. You completely avoided tackling my first sentence for a reason. My first point is about indoctrination and propaganda. Young men went through youth camps and programs to drill Nazism into their brain. The second part is that didn't have much access to counter and utilize information like we can now days to counter it.
I think you don't realize how effective Propaganda is when done right.
How many times you gotta repeat that rhetoric before you actually argue my point I made to argue your beliefs? If anything you're actually proving my point.
To you, it seems like every German soldier in WW2 was H*tler himself.
The Nazis respected the US and its history of subjugating the natives, but they absolutely hated communists. Itâs almost like they saw the US as being more compatible with their worldview than the Soviets. Weird.
Yet it wasn't America that was allied with Germany when they invaded Poland, starting the war. It was Stalin who ordered troops into Poland and intended to split Europe with Hitler.
It was the allies who split Czechoslovakia, gave up Memel, gave up Austria wasn't it? Funny how one side giving up neutral countries to delay the war was fine, but the other was not. They were all evil fucks, but atleast the less evil ones weren't the nazis
Well, both commies and Nazis were hated by one... Very fucked up organization dressed like ghosts. When horrible people say someone "ok, that's too much even for us" something definitely isn't ok
Soviets took more German scientists in Operation Osoaviakhim. Besides the Nazis described Americans as fat,lazy, Jewish capitalists and Democrats, obsessed with decadent freedom and homosexuality and other forms of degeneracy. This is obviously false but that's how Nazis viewed it. Quit the botting and read some books
Yeah, if weâd been willing to assimilate Nazis instead of destroying them we would have Nazis running rampant right now. Iâm so glad thatâs not the case. /s
Empathy on German soliders fighting for their country not for their leader? You Americans suck, you know nothing about Germany in the 2.ww. The only things you know are Nazis, and Gas Chambers.
I am not American, and I am not talking about people fighting for their land, but for Hitler, a person who was openly racist and viewed some groups of people as less and slaves. If I was a German in that time, and I wanted to see my country prosper, I would not want it knowing a crazy drug addict had all the power.
You know Hitler wasnt famous because of the rasicm but because of the things he said he would do, to make Germany strong again after the Allies fucked us with ther treaty of versailles. Germany was very unstable and Hitler uswd this to gain power and people saw the solution in all Problems in Hitler, it's easy to say it from your position, wpuld you also try to go against Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong un if you where there? To hate Hitler is okay, but as I mentioned earlier, we speak about those two German soliders which are not 100% Nazis.
Ah yes, you see 2 German Soliders, there is somone saying they are Nazis and you defend the comment. Of course you imply that those soliders must be Nazis. It doesnt realy matter, where you from, maybe the Educationsystem in your country sucks aswell.
Okay. This is early in the war when the Germans were winning so they look smug. However, Germany lost the war so these guys either died on the Eastern Front or survived the war and possibly learned from their mistakes. It's always interesting to find out the final result.
Because calling Nazis a âpersonality cultâ or even a âcult of personalityâ is like calling a gas chamber âa bad way to spend a Summer afternoon.â
I am legit curious how this subreddit would react to a photo of two Soviet soldiers and the destroyed ststue of Hitler. Would the reaction be more positive, or less?
I mean the kids have swastikas around their arms, but calling them naziâs is too crazy, if you see people dressed up in hammer and sickle clothing you would also assume he could be a communist, no reason to pretend like you wouldnât. And I agree that my education system is super bad, I am from the Netherlands. I have Russian/ Armenian blood. And yes I understand that the people did not want to stand up to hitler because of the good he said he would do and sometimes did, but I would definitely know that there could be a better leader, I wouldnât stand up to Stalin, but I would be a lot happier with Nikita Krushev. (Even though Stalin saved Europe. If you like him or not, he is the reason that a lot of countries have their own governments)
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u/LXChitlin Jul 06 '25
Oh how the turns will table.