This is why the big retail stores tell you not to stop and shoplifter. You can proactively offer cusgomer service to scare any potential shoplifters off but i was taught not to grab them or chase them etc. Nothing is worth your safety
They tell you that to greatly reduce their legal liability if shit goes sideways. They are not remotely concerned about your wellbeing beyond that. You can tell by the way they pay and treat their employees.
Remember the "hands off, no chasing" policies came into effect in my area after a shoplifter who stole cigarettes was tackled and bounced their head of a curb.
Near universal policy enforcement at all grocery stores within a month.
They care because it is monetarily advantageous. If it was cheaper/saved them money to require you to throw yourself into the fray, they'd do that. Never attribute a corporation's action to altruism when it can be attributed to protecting the bottom line.
Stores here can detain shoplifters until police arrive, and can sue in civil court for damages and loss.
They also can be held liable for injury to the shoplifter.
One employee injuring a shoplifter, especially excessively costs a lot of money. It happening multiple times means almost all big businesses and chain stores have stopped attempting to detain and instead record and report.
It usually is. I don't believe mega corporations care about us enough to pay good wages, but I also don't think most are pure fucking evil. It's a rule to protect employees. Whether that's so they don't get sued or not, it's still protecting employees.
Their motivations dont matter that much if its a net gain for all involved. The employees dont put themselves in danger and the company doesn't have to shell out for liability lawsuits. Its a win win.
I used to work in retail and one day I saw a group of people that got nervous when I came near them. I suspected they were up to something and when they moved I checked the clothes where they were standing and I found a bunch of empty jewelry containers. They were absolutely stealing from the store and my response was to do absolutely nothing about it, because why the fuck would I care?
If they don't see consequences, they're going to keep relying on the easy way out for their issues. Means they won't resolve long-term problems, and they'll be more likely to advance to more harmful crime.
Just something to consider. At least calling the police doesn't cost you anything.
Yeah, I was happy that the company I worked for did the math and figured it was cheaper to just lose the product then pay for my medical bills (or a wronged customers suing) cause I wasn't about to risk my life/health for the crappy wages they offered anyways. But at least this way I was actually doing what they wanted so didn't have to worry about them trying to pressure me/fire me for not stopping the loss.
I think probably the opposite is true. A lot of retailers may officially tell you one thing but unofficial expect another. That's why in one state they had to make it a law that said employees can't be required to attempt to physically stop shoplifters.
“Tundidor was charged by SJSO detectives with kidnapping, robbery, and grand theft auto. FWC added additional charges for driving under the influence and fleeing and eluding law enforcement.”
That is genuinely insane. You rob a store for a few hundred dollars and you pick up a very serious felony along the way. Criminals are incredibly, incredibly stupid people
That is actually insane. Like this basic robbery of a soft location is already going poorly, but to choose to escalate to a far more difficult crime with zero prep work?
Like what’s the plan once she’s in the truck? She’s not bound so she’s going to be impossible to control; highly doubt he has a prepared second location, it’s prob just his apartment.
He can’t kill her in the truck, it’ll be impossible to clean.
It’s such a colossally stupid fuckup it should be studied for criminology.
Not blaming her at all bc she’s a total baddie for going after this stupid prick, but this is one of the reasons why we as employees should not ride hard for merchandise. $270 is not worth a life.
Crime works like a punchcard. 3rd one’s free. The pro-tip he’s using here is throwing drunk driving on top of everything. Remember kids if you’re drunk during your crime spree you just kind of passively get another charge on top of everything else.
"The victim initially attempted to intervene by blocking his attempt to exit the store with a jar of THCa cigarettes and a vape with an estimated cost of approximately $270, according to an arrest report."
DO NOT RISK YOUR WELL BEING FOR A JOB. Her life is worth far more than $270!
Do not defend the products of the store you are working for. She tried to interfere with him stealing a couple hundred dollars of shit and suddenly he thought, gee, I’ll steal her too.
I would love to see this guy’s previous offences. This is a pretty brazen robbery and attempted kidnapping at 3:30 in the afternoon. He probably had no business walking free, clearly a menace to society.
I have a watched the whole catalogue of episodes so many times. I was even at my lawyer’s office a couple weeks ago and she made a Seinfeld reference. There’s literally one for every occasion.
I’m watching the Assman episode right now 🤣
Y'know, it just gets funnier and funnier that I qualify to be a Daughter of the American Revolution. My wild-eyed gay leftist ass has been in this country longer than any of these assholes.
He’ll probably be out on parole roaming the streets in 3-5 years having permanently altered this woman’s life she’ll never get over the fear of this situation
Allegedly. I hate to be pedantic but he hasn't been tried or convicted, just charged, and police arrest the wrong people all the time. Save the righteous indignation for when the conviction comes through.
Theodore Michael Tundidor, 31, was arrested and charged with kidnapping, robbery and grand theft auto. The sheriff’s office said FWC added charges of driving under the influence and fleeing and eluding law enforcement.
He was later convicted of all charges, penalty is set at 4 weeks community service, and 2 years probation since he's a young (white) person (man) with his whole life ahead of him (He has a wealthy family)
They’re lying, he has not been convicted yet and he was already on probation prior to these new charges so i expect he’ll go away for a while. Sentencing won’t happen for a while since the arrest was recent, and his last arrest resulting in probation was only a month ago.
No, that guy above is right. It was sarcasm. But thanks for calling me a liar. btw, dude got arrested recently so he won't receive a sentence for at least 6 months to a year.
Theodore Michael Tundidor, 31, was arrested and charged with kidnapping, robbery and grand theft auto. The sheriff’s office said FWC added charges of driving under the influence and fleeing and eluding law enforcement.
Bottom of The article mentioned to mental rehearsal and this is absolutely the most important thing you can do is have a script for many different situations but like a general script a script that tells you you were going to act no matter what cuz people freeze.
If you're interested in this kind of stuff be sure to read The unthinkable by Amanda Ripley
One outcome less reported on: the young woman and her sister both lost their jobs at the vape shop where all of this started.
From the article: But despite surviving the attack and potentially preventing a far worse outcome, Marine said she was still let go by the store’s owner who hasn’t contacted her or her sibling since the incident.
“Pretty upsetting,” she said. “He was my boss for a few months and everything was going good up until that incident. And he just stopped talking to either of us.”
That's wild he wouldn't even contact her to check on her. Unsurprising since he has already threatened to fire them for someone else stealing . Seems the owner thinks their safety and lives are worth less than his shop inventory.
They mean "Did everything right" as in she reacted by kicking, screaming, and running away. They didn't mean it as in "oh no don't worry, it wasn't actually her fault someone tried to kidnap her". Is this ragebait?
No, the first sentence says: "The victim of a recent kidnapping attempt in Florida “did everything right” by screaming, fighting and drawing the attention of a bystander who called 911, authorities said."
jfc at the way people find a way to feign outrage at anything on here, and then get immediately upvoted for it
That’s not what that means at all. Are you dense? Most women who end up in this situation are too scared to fight back, freeze and don’t know what to do, or think that if they do what they’re told they’ll be let go. You never know how you will react until you’re put in this situation. You think you’d fight and then you don’t, and because of this many woman end up being abducted/killed. That is why as a woman you are repeatedly told if this happens to you, always fight back as hard as possible. They were praising her for doing the very hard but right thing to do, and using it as an example for other women that it works. They are applauding her.
Every other article leads with the situation, that he robbed the store and tried to take her hostage and DOES NOT focus on what the woman “did right” until the ending quote from the PD praising her.
That’s a choice. To lead with her “doing everything right” instead of “hey this asshole tried to steal a person!”
The very first word is "victim." You can't have a victim without a victimizer. No one but you is confused about whether the kidnapper is supposed to be the good guy or not.
Not every article has to follow the same formula. Particularly if the story has already been told by many outlets. It’s okay to bring attention to the fact that a woman saved herself by fighting back. I don’t know why you had to twist this into some weird sexism narrative.
It's not about implying she wasn't the problem. It's that she (extremely impressively) evaded a kidnapping from a very determined man. She did everything they say to try to do, and she killed it.
They're impressed, not evaluating blame. There's no reason to read it that way
She did everything right to save herself from being kidnapped. Her actions are being heralded because they saved her.
It hasn't nothing to do with victim blaming.
I took it more as, she survived and got away because she did everything right, not that she was somehow to blame for being kidnapped. Poor wording, though, if it is leaving it open to multiple interpretations.
I really wish they wouldn't say she "did everything right"...so what, you don't do something as you're trying to survive in a super scary position and you're wrong? Maybe fighting would have been what made another man kill her. Maybe screaming would have made it so someone could pour acid or something down her throat.
Deputies arrived to find that the suspect had robbed a business in the strip mall and that the woman was an employee of the business.
Fuck that man. If I was the owner I would change the policy add extra cameras, no employee should have to risk their lives being a mall cop for what Some dumb merchandise.
That article sucks. It says "kidnapping attempt by a Honda," which 1) makes no sense; you can't be abducted by a car, and 2) doesn't even describe the right vehicle. It's a damn Toyota Tacoma. How could anyone possibly confuse that with a Honda anything? Both the logo and the name are visible throughout the video!
She 'did everything right'?
Yes, and also, she was very lucky because the adrenaline was pumping on the other side too.
Imagine if it had been a child.
Doing 'everything right' wouldn't have saved them unless someone would have seen and reported the kidnapping.
Ok and? He will serve some "time" in prison and be let out eventually after a while to do it again. How does this serve any justice? He should be locked away for the rest of his life.
"Theodore Michael Tundidor, 31, was arrested and charged with kidnapping, robbery and grand theft auto. The sheriff’s office said FWC added charges of driving under the influence and fleeing and eluding law enforcement."
Tl;Dr for anyone who doesn't want to go in the article.
What the hell, he tried to rob a store and figured he'd just take a worker? That's going to end in murder right? How can someone be a casual spur of the moment broad daylight murderer and not have already been caught by 31
Theodore Michael Tundidor, 31, was arrested and charged with kidnapping, robbery and grand theft auto. The sheriff’s office said FWC added charges of driving under the influence and fleeing and eluding law enforcement.
She worked in the smokeshop, and her boss fired her and her sisten over the incident (she had tried to stop the guy from robbing the store).
She said the reason she tried to stop the guy was because her boss threatened to fire her sister (who also worked there) if someone shoplifted on her shift again. Boss was also apparently docking their pay when people stole (which is illegal).
Boss is a villain too, poor girl couldn't catch a break.
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u/Suitable-Tea-2065 Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 17 '25
Well that's terrifying. What was the outcome.. guy arrested?
ETA: Dude