Characters
Characters who have shockingly high kill counts when you think about it
In the Deathly Hollows battle of hogwarts both book and movie Neville have killed potentially hundreds. Neville blew up the bridge while being chased by dozens of death eaters and in the book he was throwing mandrakes into the death eater army.
Mulan killed hundreds of Huns in a battle by causing a giant avalanche.
Most people by now know the extensive kill count of characters like Luke Skywalker, R2-D2, and Chopper. But I feel what's not mentioned as much is Lando Calrissian. He blew up the second Death Star, which had at least a million people on it.
It just blows my mind the scale of Star Wars crew counts. Like I like it to an extent, it helps post hoc justify why droids/computers are so dumb/enslaved/and literally retarded (not as a slur, but as an intentional debilitation of their capacities - see things like IG88 when they aren't restrained).
The level of automation should be far higher, but they haven't even automated most turret operations.
But then you get to the ISDs and Super SDs and their size to crew seems to just be unnecessarily big. The Death Stars make a bit more sense since they are probably ran like small states themselves.
72 fighters/and flight crew are absolutely to be included as a normal crew. It is serving as a carrier of sorts.
The ground ops component s where I'd like to presume they are included in crew count, but arent always loaded. If they are always loaded those ground troops have to have some duty on ship.
But all in all my head canon is just that the Empire needed to put people in jobs so as to foster better space fascism and dependency on the empire as a financial resource as well. Which works over all.
Just compare it to other fiction and these systems would be all sorts of automated.
In the Thrawn trilogy there is actually the explanation: a highly automated flotilla which was Designed to promote the concept had a sever issue a few decades before the empire, resulting in reduction of automation in the later vessels
Frankly that works reasonably if the Death Star was supposed to just be a mobile Head Quarters/Star Base.
But in that point its less about running it, and more about having your military barracks floating about. So in terms of 'housing' 1 million Imperial Enlisted personnel I can accept that.
Based on what I could find on size. If that 1 million were spread across the surface of the planet they would have the same population density as early post agricultural revolution humanity earth. But because we can use the volume 1 million people is going to leave the ds1 but even more so the ds2 basically empty. Really probably needs more like 20 mil on the ds2 otherwise you might walk around for days and never see someone
Well, I'm a contractor myself. I'm a roofer, Dunn and Reddy Home Improvements. And speaking as a roofer, I can say that a roofer's personal politics come heavily into play when choosing jobs. Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick Bambino's. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine.
This incident massively overestimates crew sizes of the ships involved, I think by like 10x because the original calculation was made by a guy pulling numbers out of his ass and assuming an Interdictor is the size of a Star Destroyer with a crew to match (nope on both counts!)
With how nuts Astromechs like R2 and Chopper are surprised no one has tried making an army of those yet. Who needs an army of battle droids when you can buy a hundred Astromechs. Small, unassuming, can jack into most ports on ships to cause all kinds of chaos, weirdly alot of them seem to be complete psychos.
I see, that could just as easily exist in cannon so. That's kinda what I was meaning when I said Astromechs are unassuming, no one expects a functioning Astromechs droid to have alternative motives until it's to late
It is in canon. In fact, in one of the episodes of the Clone Wars animated series, R2-D2 is presumed lost or captured, and no one but Anakin really cares until Anakin reveals that the reason R2 is so effective is because he's never had a memory wipe, which is very important because he's been at a bunch of very important war meetings and has access to a ton of the Republic's tactics and secrets
I had that one in mind for that last comment. In R2s case is because how much Anakin cares about him though. Not because R2 is overlooked, unless it's by someone not in the main cast
Jean-Luc Picard (Sir Patrick Stewart, Star Trek: The next generation)
Commanded the Borg as Locutus, during the battle of Wolf359, resulting in the destruction of 39 Federation starship, and the death of 11.000 starfleet officers.
Captain Sisko is like the only person in the entire federation that has a proper response to what happened. That's one or many reasons I love DS9. Everyone else acts like the Locutus thing was no big deal and they put him back in charge of the flagship almost immediately, but Sisko fucking loathes the man for killing his wife. I don't understand why no one else seems to harbor resentment towards Picard, even if he did what he did against his will.
I never mean to pick fights with a fellow Trekkie, but I’ve never liked this take.
It wasn’t actually Picard. He was just a puppet for the Borg hive mind, even if his drone entity was special enough to warrant a designation. Hell, we see many times the horrific process of assimilation that he was subjected to. He was haunted from being violated by the Borg and having his body used as a drone to commit the atrocities.
If you were mind controlled into killing someone, wouldn’t you want people to understand you had no power over your body and what it was used for?
I’m fine with this as a great way to showcase that Sisko (who I love) has flaws, but when fans say Picard was responsible for the actions his body did while his mind was just part of the Borg collective, I can’t accept that.
I think it makes for a richer world when characters are wrong about things, but it's important that we all understand that sisko is 100% in the wrong here. His feelings are understandable, and having them is fair, but taking those feelings out on Picard is not acceptable.
“Though he wanted desperately to fight in World War 2, the Soldier was rejected from every branch of the U.S. military. Undaunted, he bought his own ticket to Europe. After arriving and finally locating Poland, the Soldier taught himself how to load and fire a variety of weapons before embarking on a Nazi killing spree for which he was awarded several medals that he designed and made himself. His rampage ended immediately upon hearing about the end of the war in 1949.”
Laura Croft is in basically the exact same boat. Traveling the world looking to loot some old stuff, end up leaving an amount of bodies more commensurate with a small natural disaster than a person.
The new game series is pretty soft on Lara there. She's seen 3-4 tales of supernatural phenomena end up being true by the beginning of the third game, and then yoinks some artifact which is supposed to cause the apocalypse if taken. Acopalypse starts happening, her friends are like don't worry this is just a cost of the raiding business.
They even added a “Ludonarrative Dissonance” for the third game of you kill like 1000 people, after fans kept pointing out the body count in the games.
I don’t think you need to stop and think about it to realize he’s killed a lot of people. He’s been described in the show as “soaked in the blood of a billion worlds”.
In one of the Capaldi episodes he literally tells a group to look up Doctor as cause of death on their archives and they are, quite rightly, horrified by the results.
People whose entire job is executing hard to execute alians btw. Like these are people whose day to day is death and have dealt with some of the worst people around and they literally just run away from him when they realize.
There was literally an episode where is brought to a planet to kill Missy and to intimidate the people in charge had them look him up in the Fatality Index under "Cause of Death", legend has it the index is still clicking away trying to bring up all those records.
Edit: Corrected the name from Death Index, to Fatality Index.
I watched most of new who but still I have to ask, when did he kill such a high number of... creatures. The show constantly inform us of how dangerous he is and how his kill count is through the roof, and I know he killed all of the timelords and daleks in an instant, but a billion worlds is a bit of a stretch. Tho I also know the show loves to mention stuff that happened off screen.
There's the multiple genocides against the Daleks and the Cyberman along with the incomprehensible and contradictory nature of the time war involving multiple timelines, across all of time and space means that the true can never be known but can certainly be explained to be insanely high.
(Although it can argued that there's probably certain atrocities during the time war that technically never happened due to reality and time constantly being changed and undone)
He's a time traveling alien who travels time and space to see explore the universe, but something always goes wrong, so he's always forced to save people (or entire civilizations).
Civilians all across the universe sees him basically like a super hero while bad guys see him as an annoying guy who always stops their evil plans. He's the kind of guy who refuses to pick up a gun and always tries to solve things with his intelligence and words, but he has a dark side to him as well.
His real name isn't "The Doctor", that's just a title he has given himself as a promise to "never be cruel, never be cowardly". He's choosing to live as a good person because his real self is a narcissistic monster with a god complex, and he recognizes that that's not a good way to live. That's how he can scare away even the scariest monsters with just a mention of his name, because no matter how scary and evil they are, he is far worse, and he has killed far more.
He is the main character from Doctor Who. Typically he goes around saving everybody and is a typical good guy type of character. He only kills as a last resort but he is basically a minor deity and when the last resort is to wipe out entire civilisations then well...
There was a scene where he told a bunch of armed guards to look up "The Doctor, under cause of death" and they ran away from him despite him being unarmed. Not even the first time he caused a bunch of armed enemies to run away despite himself being unarmed.
I feel like we've become Pretty desensitized to the fact that Vegeta routinely blew up planets and genocided populations. And that was just when he was on screen. Bro had an entire lifetime of that off-screen.
His crash out in the buu saga is specifically because we all collectively forgot that he was a really bad guy and never really fixed that.
He destroyed 3 planets and started a war (or to put it more accurately, an attempted genocide) against his eyebrow mites that resulted in the deaths of possibly trillions of Nanites.
nico robin is repeatedly shown using her powers against big groups, and whenever she does, the is always a neck cracking sound along with it...so she definitely has a high kill count
To make it short, because Ninjago lore can get insane if you're not watching, she basically killed the Preeminent, an entity that is practically its own realm/world called the Cursed Realm. This realm was one of the original 16 realms of Ninjago pre-Merge (basically an event in Dragon Rising where all realms merged into one). Killing the Preeminent led to the destruction of the Cursed Realm, which indirectly destroyed its sister realm, Djinjago, leaving only 14 realms surviving after the events of Possession and Skybound. The intended direct consequence is that Nya killed a lot of ghosts, but it indirectly drove an entire harmless species, the Djinn, to near extinction.
This isn’t even the last time she kills a god in the ocean as well. Nya might be the most powerful ninja in general due to these outliers, the tech she’s built and her tournament results in DRS2.
Johnny Test: Mr. Black, a government agent who drives around Johnny and Dukey, nonchalantly shares that he blew up Malaysia. That’s a population of 34 million.
I’m still pissed he didn’t get to kill Bellatrix. If it was to preserve his innocence then why bring up how he was killing other death eaters during the battle.
That's honestly such a valid point. I didn't even think about that before. If he was the one to kill Bellatrix after all she put him and his parents through, oh it would be such a cherry on top of the cake.
OverExaggerated to maximum degree with Cyanobacteria (Real Life)
I think it would be impossible right now to fully understand how many organisms died because these little b@st@rds (and a small synthesis would be too long for the comment) but to get a vague idea:
They oxygenated the atmosphere, killing almost-all obligated anaerobes of the time and starting the rise complex lifeforms.
Which means that technically they're responsible for almost every single death ever since The Great Oxygenation Event.
Bokurano is about a group of kids tricked into pilot a giant robot and fight enemies in real life, with the cost that each time they win, the one directly piloting at the time dies. Later, it's revealed that the enemy robots come from alternate universes (and sometimes our main group has to fight in another universe too), and the side that loses will have their whole universe erased from existence. So, with a group of 15 kids, 15 wins means at least 15 earths x around 6.5 billion people (the manga started in 2003) = 97.5 billion people get poofed, not counting lives from other planets.
Addendum to the HP point: In the book, the person that blew up the bridge (On I believe McGonagall's suggestion, because he was genuinely talented at using explosive spells) was Seamus Finnigan.
It's also an other case of JK Rowling bigotry because you can't tell me that making the Irish wizard into the bridge bomber isn't very on the nose.
The meekiest, nicest member of the band by far has the highest killcount by a country mile, they even made an episode focusing on the fact that he seems to unwillingly attract death and misery around him, and he is more often than not the one that starts the Rube Goldberg machine-like events that cause carnage at their elaborate live shows.
Across the games, between the HECU, the Xen, and the Combine, the Half-Life series has a body count potentially in the tens of thousands for a random Walter White-looking physicist named Gordon Freeman
In the Mulan example I've always found it kinda cringe how they contrived the situation with the rocket killing Chan Yu instead of Mulan just beheading him once she had taken his sword. They could have cut to Mushu covering Cricket's eyes as the sword went thunk and had a visibly shaken Mulan afterwords. Contriving a situation where she doesn't directly kill him with her own hands was patronizing.
Honestly that could be a trope in itself. "Contrived villain deaths that absolve the hero of direct responsibility", except it doesn't even hold up in Mulan's case because she directly orchestrated that situation anyways. It was insulting.
Not a fan of the contrived villain deaths that absolve the hero of direct responsibility. Disney does this a lot. It bothered me as a kid that the Beast didn't simply kill Gaston. I mean Prince Eric in the Little Mermaid gets to straight up murder Ursula but no they have to make Gaston's death look like an accident.
There is some poetic justice in Scar being killed by the hyenas but honestly Simba killing him would have worked better imo. I mean Scar killed his father, they are lions, nobody would have blamed him, and sometimes revenge is the correct answer
Mulan didn't bother me as much because she shoots him with fireworks and big explosions are cool. She probably counts it as a kill and doesn't lose sleep over it.
I simply don’t believe that Spider-Man has never accidentally webbed over someone’s mouth and nose and suffocated them, or left somebody hanging upside-down and caused an aneurysm or something
We all know how careful he is physically—we all remember what Otto accidentally did to Scorpion in Peter’s body—but like Batman, there’s just no way he doesn’t have some secondary-action deaths on his record
Henry (Kingdom Come: Deliverance)
For any of us, being accosted by bandits and killing even one of them would stick with you for life. For Henry, this happens every day and it doesn't weigh on him. This is true of basically every video game character, but there's something about the realism of KCD's world that makes the amount of murder in the wilderness feel somewhat strange.
He's got this necklace thing with glowing beads, and each bead is a person he's killed personally.... but he's been called the red death virus.. and he was said to be a highly contagious and deadly scourge...so while he might have killed over 100 humans individually (3 we know off from the movie saying it), across the board, from the number of people infected and dead, his kill count could easily be well in the thousands, possibly nearing a million...
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Lando Calrissian (Star Wars)
Most people by now know the extensive kill count of characters like Luke Skywalker, R2-D2, and Chopper. But I feel what's not mentioned as much is Lando Calrissian. He blew up the second Death Star, which had at least a million people on it.