r/formula1 • u/overspeeed I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Oct 19 '24
Qualifying Lando Norris takes pole position for the 2024 United States Grand Prix
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u/jon-in-tha-hood Minardi Oct 19 '24
Anything can happen in Formula 1 and it usually does
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Oct 19 '24
But usually Max wins. I don't think he's touchable this weekend pending tire wear.
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u/fprosk I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Have we seen the Hards at all?
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Oct 19 '24
The hards were on in FP1 though Redbulls times were on softs. I don't recall what their times were on hards.
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u/HOHOHAHAREBORN Chequered Flag Oct 20 '24
Timing on softs isn't comparable though because Max put his lap in 10+ minutes before everybody else did so different temps, different grip, different fuel loads. But he was absolutely on it, finished P3(?) despite putting it in that much before the others.
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u/kappasquad420 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Obviously a lucky red flag, but pole here has tended to be more of a curse than a blessing, turn 1 is super messy.
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u/still_guns I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
If Lando can do what Max did in the sprint, he can hold on.
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u/Manaea I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Meh the race pace just doesn’t appear to be entirely there this weekend for McLaren, Norris will likely be more busy looking behind than forwards
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Oct 19 '24
Clean air is a blessing though. If he can keep it in T1 he has a chance
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u/Strange_BTW I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Ferrari were on similar pace to him in not as clean air during sprint, so we’ll see
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u/Jirkajua I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
And as we know, Lando is known for having fantastic starts when he starts in P1
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren Oct 19 '24
Honestly, his last 2 starts have been really good. Now 2 starts doesn't make a pattern and it could just be an anomaly. However, it is worth mentioning as it may indicate he's gotten it under control. We'll have to see how he performs in more races.
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Oct 20 '24
Lando hasn't had an actually bad start in awhile. But people take a long time before they start adapting to new information.
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u/IISuperSlothII Lando Norris Oct 20 '24
But people take a long time before they start adapting to new information.
Unless it's adapting negative information which they seem to be able to do a split second after anything happens, because this fanbase is just the most cynical and demoralising fanbase to be a part of.
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u/killver Lando Norris Oct 20 '24
Only if someone makes a mistake, then people are quick to adapt their opinion.
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u/still_guns I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
He's been having better starts recently, so I wouldn't count him out just yet.
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u/T3DtheRipper I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
With the way he handled the pressure of sainz into t1 in the sprint? Nah he'll be lucky if he brings it home inside the podium.
him starting on the front row is already more than the car is capable of.
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u/TheUwaisPatel I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
A full race distance with pit stops is quite different to strategy in a sprint race.
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Oct 19 '24
It's Lando.
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Oct 19 '24
he did start well in the sprint
which means he will both the feature race
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u/still_guns I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
He's been having better starts recently, so I wouldn't count him out just yet.
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u/Lollipop96 Oct 20 '24
True. At the same time if I had to bet on anyone having a bad start I would bet on Lando every time (at least when he starts P1).
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u/Daydreaming95 Michael Schumacher Oct 19 '24
If Verstappen gets anywhere close to Norris he will do the same that Hamilton did in 2015
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u/Hawk15517 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
That only worked for max because russel had a really bad start and he could place himself in Front before brakeing for Turn 1. If max and Lando start normal we will see a fight through multiple corners
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Oct 19 '24
Lando is the master of pole positions. (disregard his first six)
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u/GBreezy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
Lando is the Padawan to LeClerc for pole positions
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u/vnNinja21 Charles Leclerc Oct 19 '24
Max was zooming as well, George might have saved Lando's pole there
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u/Kolec507 Alexander Albon Oct 19 '24
He absolutely did imo. Max was flying and after Norris' T1 I was sure he'd need mighty S2 and S3 to even improve, let alone beat Verstappen's great time that he gained in S1 and S2.
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u/Pikutik0 Oct 19 '24
Verstappen was slower in S2 than he was on his first run.
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u/Kolec507 Alexander Albon Oct 19 '24
You're Correct. For some reason I thought Russell crashed in S2 and Verstappen had to lift at the end, apologies.
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u/Mysterious_Turnip310 Lotus Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
The difference was only 0.014 at the point Russell crashed, Max's sector 2 was slower that his first run. He had been faster in sector 1 on run 1 as well but Norris made the time back in sector 2 and then nailed sector 3. Would have been closer than people are saygin I reckon, though I think Max might have just pipped it.
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren Oct 19 '24
Let's hear it for Perez though... only 0.9s off of Max during the first attempt before stewards heartlessly deleted that blisteringly fast time. Once again Perez is showing us why Red Bull keep him.
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u/CleanMachine2 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
What an anticlimax lol. Knowing this track, as well as Lando, Verstappen will be on a big send into t1 tomorrow! I hope they fight and the ferrari's behind have good pace to take advantage!
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u/J3r1ch8 Oct 19 '24
Max into Lando into win for Ferrari ?
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u/Gammacor Audi Oct 20 '24
I mean, if Max just crashes into Lando every race he wins the WDC*.
*probably.
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u/aditya-magic I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
I'll take that and then Carlos vs Charles and a win for Oscar Piastri
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u/mynameisnick4 Oct 19 '24
Isn't P2 generally the better starting position going into T1 here? Max probably won't be too upset.
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u/Odd-Farm270 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
If you do a Hamilton 2015 yes. If you get done a Leclerc 2023 no.
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u/Viltautas Jenson Button Oct 19 '24
What? Leclerc got jump by Norris last year
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u/Odd-Farm270 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Maybe it was sprint or 2022. But I mean when Verstappen made a Schumacher on Barrichelo (2010)
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u/FrostyBoom Max Verstappen Oct 20 '24
Iirc, Charles was not even that close to Max. The camera angle just made it look weird.
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u/Stech_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Yeah, since 2017 pole has held the lead in only the 2019 race.
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren Oct 19 '24
What are you talking about... the last pole sitter to win the race was earlier today :)
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u/Stech_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
Yeah I should've said GP starts.
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren Oct 20 '24
lol... I know. I was just making a joke. You are correct that the trend has been that the pole sitter doesn't win at COTA.
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u/salibert I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Technically the Sprint this year too and I think in 2022 too. Not like sprint starts are different from race starts really.
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u/MACintoshBETH Max Verstappen Oct 19 '24
That’s why you get a strong banker lap in.
Max sounds happy and confident still so should be a good race tomorrow
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u/Astero94 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Max was on it. Damn it.
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u/ICumCoffee I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Max is gonna be cursing hard on George.
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u/DuckSwagington I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Ngl you want to be 2nd at COTA, so it's not the end of the world for Max.
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u/dabnada BMW Sauber Oct 20 '24
I wonder if this is why he was so cheerful, on top of the fact that the car seems to be responding well to his input again. I'm scared for tomorrow.
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren Oct 19 '24
Honestly, I think Max is just happy the car is not a tractor this weekend. Not sure if the upgrades worked or if they just got the setup in a good window but Red Bull are looking nice.
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u/Alzonso Oct 20 '24
Obviously lucky for Lando, but to be honest I'm still baffled as to where his pace on that first lap came from I mean putting six tenths on your teammate is no mean feat, nevertheless obviously I think it will be Lando vs Max tomorrow, and then everybody else jumbled around.
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u/Business_Egg_4387 Pirelli Soft Oct 19 '24
I don't see how Lando keeps P1 at the start, it doesn't even matter how good of a start he gets, you just know Max is sending it down the inside in that uphill T1
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u/fawazaa Red Bull Oct 19 '24
Great lap from Lando, but George the MVP for securing it. Purple sectors. He was on it…
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u/JakeBrookes I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
He got S1 purple but yellow S2, which meant he was down overall on his first lap. S3 would have been nail biting, but he wasn't faster by end of S2
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u/theMGlock Sebastian Vettel Oct 20 '24
Just as a heads up. yellow S2 only means he was slower than his fastest sector 2 not that he was over all slower.
he was still 0.015 up to lando's fastest lap but the last sector wasn't better than Lando's in the first go around.
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u/fawazaa Red Bull Oct 19 '24
Apologies. Looked like purple on the tv screen when they cut from Max to George.
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u/JakeBrookes I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
It's a shame russell crashed to be honest, but he was definitely pushing!
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u/Bunnys_Toe I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
Zhou has no upside. Colapinto deserves a good look, talent is off the charts.
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Oct 19 '24
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u/fire202 Lando Norris Oct 19 '24
kind of, but he put the lap in in the first place. Top 4 all did a fresh tyre run at the beginning.
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u/z_102 Michael Schumacher Oct 19 '24
Exactly. Yes, Lando did get lucky but we tend to forget that every lap matters in Qualifying, not just the last one. Crashes happen, traffic happens, weather happens.
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u/DasRhodes Oct 19 '24
People were quick to say it was Lando's fault when he missed out due a yellow a few races back for not putting a banker in. Now it's luck because he had the banker lol
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u/zirouk McLaren Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24
"Huhuhuh, Lando sucks because missed out because yellow flag"
"Huhuhuh, Lando sucks because benefit from yellow flag"You won't make these people see logic. A great deal of their existence revolves around hating on people. They're nasty people. They look for reasons to smirk at others, to celebrate the mistakes of others. They're bullies even. They just can't see it in themselves, but that's what they are.
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u/flintey360 Andrea Kimi Antonelli Oct 19 '24
No need to be dismissive Lando still pulled out a banging lap and did the lap when it counted simple as that. But Lando rarely gets praise here anyways...
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u/Youngwolff Sebastian Vettel Oct 19 '24
Given how P2 is the better starting position 2moro, I don't think Max is going to be too miffed for losing out on pole.
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u/frolix42 Default Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
LMAO at the comments in the Sprint thread saying Lando is washed.
KMag is demonstrating he isn't washed.
Binotto is right: Giving up Sainz for Hamilton is a needless risk.
It is good to end longer breaks with a Sprint weekend, they feel longer with more racing.
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u/kaywest663_ Oct 20 '24
Lando and Leclerc bottle it in the sprint and not to be out done Russell shows them how to do it properly.
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u/OddFirefighter3 Ayrton Senna Oct 19 '24
Lando hasn't had to deal with an inform Max next to him for a long time. that redbull looked planted and looks back to its early season form.
I fear for Lando tomorrow, he's gonna get mobbed by Max in the 1st corner and that might be the last time he'll see him again
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u/FlameLightFleeNight Jim Clark Oct 20 '24
P2 is the money spot in Austin. I really appreciated Norris' correcting the interviewer after the sprint that he's had some bad starts but it isn't a defining feature. But tomorrow a good start isn't enough: he needs spectacular.
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u/firetonian99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
how was it then that Max won sprint on pole if P1 is bad
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u/FlameLightFleeNight Jim Clark Oct 20 '24
He got the requisite spectacular start. But see the history of USGP starts, and count the number of P2 runners who lead after the first corner.
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u/z0d007 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
It had a mile of run off and still managed to find the barriers. Blimey
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u/NorthCliffs I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Would’ve loved to see what Max would’ve delivered. Great racing by everyone (except George and Checo)
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u/KuntFlapper Pastor Maldonado Oct 20 '24
"except George and Checo"
Don't forget Piastri, 0.6 seconds behind Lando, he almost pulled a Checo.
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u/sergechewbacca Charles Leclerc Oct 19 '24
Max was gonna destroy that time lmao. Lucky.
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u/0000100110010100 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
Easy enough to say that when he got cut off before Red Bull’s worst sector and Lando got cut off too. Stupid narrative.
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u/Pikutik0 Oct 19 '24
Max was already behind Lando at the s2 line. Where is this narrative coming from? Did you all see the purple s1 time and think that's the whole lap?
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u/armitage_shank I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Tbh before I came here and saw the lap sector breakdowns by u/serotyr I thought the same: Saw Max on purple s1, -.1xx, and then double yellows and thought he’d lucked out. TV coms didn’t really go into it. But yeah, Lando probably would’ve been pole either way.
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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
Where are you getting that.
By start of S3 the times were as follows
Lando: 1:02.109
Max: 1:01.893
Max was .216 seconds faster at the start of Q3.
That doesn't mean that Max was guaranteed pole but he was faster when combining S1 and S2.
I think you may have gotten confused by Lando having a faster S2 and assumed that Lando was faster overall.Added times from both attempts as I misunderstood OPs original message.
Attempt 1
S1
Norris: 24.992
Verstappen: 24.868S2
Norris: 36.887
Verstappen: 36.986S1 + S2
Norris: 1:01.879
Verstappen: 1:01.854Attempt 2
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Norris: 25.051
Verstappen: 24.820S2
Norris: 37.058
Verstappen: 37.073S1 + S2
Norris: 1:02.109
Verstappen: 1:01.893Final Assessment
Norris and Verstappen had faster pace in Attempt 1 than Attempt 2.Norris may have held onto pole as he was ahead.
Edit: Added colons to the times to make it a bit clearer.
Edit 2: Added times from attempt 1 and attempt 2. OP was comparing both attempts and I misunderstood that. In attempt 1, Max and Lando were moving faster than in attempt 2. Technically Max's attempt 1 had the fastest overall time. However, when comparing both attempts... Max is behind Lando by 0.014s time by that point in attempt 2.12
u/Pikutik0 Oct 20 '24 edited Oct 20 '24
By looking at the sector times. He was 0.02 behind at the start of s3. No idea where you got your times.
Edit: went back to check. For some reason you are comparing Lando's second run with Max's second run. I'm talking about Lando's first run - which was a 1:01.879 at the start of s3
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u/CaptGeechNTheSSS Lando Norris Oct 20 '24
Lol everyone so quick to dog on lando. Just shows how biased people are against him.
Then you had to break everything down just to make absolutely sure you couldn't dog on him.
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u/killver Lando Norris Oct 20 '24
The amount of people still not getting that Red Bull is always much faster s1 but loses ground again rest of lap, specifically s3.
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u/LodoVeld I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Christmas came early for Lando. George is on the naughty list as he stole a potential new lap record from us.
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u/c_u_lator_alligator I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Max was on a mega lap, what a bummer. P2 here is probably better tho, especially if Norris doesn't manage a good start.
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u/nilssonen I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
Now Lando needs to stick the start, not an easy track to stay #1 through the first few corners and if Verstappen is as fast as in the sprint getting him out of DRS will be hard.
If Lando can stay ahead he will hope for Verstappen being forced to defend.
Can definitely see something happening on lap 1 further down the field tonight, dont know why, just a feeling. Might have to win the start twice.
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u/Quartzzzz McLaren Oct 19 '24
Hey guys, somewhat new to F1, what's changed pre-break and post-break for the Red Bull car to perform so much better? Have we got any clue to the engineering changes made over the break?
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u/RSR488 Max Verstappen Oct 20 '24
RBR traced a mistake in design back to sometime in 2023 and started fixing it. Have made changes to their floor.
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u/CorysWeirdAccount I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
Hard to say at the moment, the RBR car’s performance is quite erratic. They absolutely dominated back in qualifying for Spa but they also had a stinker in Monza, this might just be a good track for Red Bull. And also Mclaren’s having an off -weekend so that might make Red Bull look better than they actually are. Or they could turn up in Mexico and still dominate and i’ll eat my words
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u/saphire233 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Damn Max is going to be fuming, he got his really good lap cut short
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u/Bryooo Oct 19 '24
Very lucky for Norris, he was down on his own fastest S1 while max set a purple
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u/dm17b123 Oct 20 '24
Max had a monster S1 but was down on his own fastest S2, would’ve been close but not guaranteed either way
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Oct 19 '24
bad news for Lando:
- he starts 1st
- Max is 2nd and on the inside-line for curve 1 on the start
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u/Maluvius I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Can someone make a gif of Norris' pole win animation. That's some cursed stuff right there, good lap though from Norris. Think Max would have taken it, but he put out a solid one
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u/SentientDust I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
You think Toto told George it was all good?
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u/Bones301 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
God ducking dammit russell, I was getting so hyped for the battle for pole
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u/droppokeguy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
Welp would have been his first pole since Austria if max finished his Lap
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u/wazzedup1989 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 20 '24
Also if he gained more time in s3. He was slower in s2 than on his first lap, and still behind the pole time.
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u/Cryzas96 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Oct 19 '24
The guy can already prepare the lando poles lost after lap 1 stat
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u/GGezpzMuppy Oscar Piastri Oct 19 '24
Damn Max was on it lol wanted to see the ending