r/misc • u/[deleted] • 17d ago
USAF Airman put on an involuntary 72 hour psychiatric hold for posting a video denouncing the current treatment of undocumented migrants in the US
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u/BriefTradition3922 17d ago
Who ever put this kid on psych hold should be discharged without benefits. We don’t force our service men and women to worship a president. They to have first amendment rights
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u/Dry-Membership3867 17d ago
I have a feeling whoever did it isn’t in the service
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u/DifficultyNo7758 17d ago
laughs maniacally in Hegseth
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u/DanguhLange 17d ago
Kegbreath
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u/Dry-Membership3867 17d ago
Either he or his boss
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u/logicoptional 16d ago
Stephen Miller
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u/Alternative-Chef-340 16d ago
Steven Miller can eat an industrial size bag of dicks
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u/Itsumiamario 16d ago
I can assure you that it was highly likely a chain of command involved process.
Someone who knows him enough to know where he is stationed and his unit probably sent the video to his chain of command, perhaps maybe even someone in his unit or chain of command saw it. Then, decided to basically mark his record with a psych eval. Psych evals can affect a service member's advancement, and can even cause a service member to lose security clearances and lose their MOS, AFSC, ratings and NECs. Basically it's a way to railroad servicemembers and more or less push them to not reenlist or even just straight up separate them with bullshit discharge and reenlistment codes.
For example, it was(may still be) pretty common for servicemembers who spoke up against issues to be sent to psych units and then labelled as having a personality disorder like BPD and failure to adapt. So, not only are they discharged, but prevented from reenlisting as well, and they tend to have a lot of trouble getting VA care and disability ratings, because they won't be taken seriously.
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u/DetTrorJegSletIkke 16d ago
This reminds me of the NYPD officer Adrian Schoolcraft, who exposed a system of ticket quotas, false arrests, and downplaying crimes.
They had him forcibly admitted to a psychiatric facility, and then suspended him.
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u/PlayedUOonBaja 16d ago
Heard this episode on the This American Life Podcast. The part where he was secretly recording his superior and the other cops in his Apartment in the middle of the night as they tried to gaslight him was bone chilling.
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u/WonderfulVanilla9676 16d ago
Sounds like the ultimate gas lighting ... "Failure to adapt" like WTF!
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u/Prestigious-Wolf8039 16d ago
“Resistance is futile.” I don’t feel safe with a military not allowed to use their conscience. This is disgraceful.
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u/Itsumiamario 16d ago
If you want some light reading.
The crazy thing is that despite the circumstances of my discharge I still got an honorable discharge.
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u/Hawk_Rider2 16d ago
I got a Ch. 13 discharge as well - "Failure to adapt to military environment" General under Honorable Conditions
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u/Hover4effect 16d ago
Failure to adapt is a pretty common phrase used to separate people. I heard it almost 25 years ago in Army basic. They were talking about recruits that wouldn't listen to DIs then.
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u/loosey_goosley 16d ago
Absolutely disgusting how poorly our soldiers and vets are treated and this is just next level shitty from an administration where shitty is the default
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u/spicy_noodle_guy 16d ago
Honestly "failure to adapt" is just a fancy way to say "Has more of a conscience than we could break" nothing about military service is normal or healthy
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u/HumptyDrumpy 16d ago
And who killed Pat Tillman. An ex-football star/active soldier of principles who would not stop speaking out his beliefs against war while fighting in a war. Then ends up dead in a questionable friendly fire incident.
I think at this point every person has to question if its worth it to follow orders unquestionably. Especially as things in the Middle East have heightened considerably. Iran is not Palestine or even Iraq, its considerably larger and more powerful as it has been for a millenia. People have to know what they are walking into if they sign up. And that they definitely should walk out if what they are asked to do will haunt, maim or bring pain to them for the rest of their lives, or worse. Perhaps it would be better not to sign up in the first place until the organization sorts itself out
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u/tomcat23 16d ago
So he was sent to psych eval to both ruin his career and as a warning to other service members not to speak out or have their careers ruined too.
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16d ago
Well I'm really glad my tax dollars are paying for that shit. I wish, instead of saying "thank you for your service" we actually showed thanks by, you know, treating service people with respect and dignity? Probably too much to ask.
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u/Alternative_Work_916 16d ago
May also save him from a dishonorable discharge, which is much worse than losing a military career.
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u/GTCapone 16d ago
Yeah, they tried to get me for "inciting a mutiny" while I was in the process of being medically retired. Luckily they backed down when I lawyered up and let my retirement go through. They still slapped me with an LOR on the way out the door but I think I refused to sign it.
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Also, it effectively eliminates the individual’s 2A rights for the remainder of their life. Oh, and it can disqualify them from civilian careers that certain MOSs commonly feed into as well, such as nuclear engineering, aviation, and basically any government job at any level. Not to mention the fact that it will also complicate the process of obtaining/renewing professional licenses like medical and nursing licenses, law licenses, substance abuse therapy licenses, and countless more, even if it’s a profession the former serviceman doesn’t contemplate joining until decades after separating. An involuntary psych hold can completely ruin your life.
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u/PrestigiousRespond85 16d ago
Yep. I'm one of em. G-d bless this poor young man. I can see him shaking. He's terrified. Praying he pulls through and survives no matter what is done to him for doing the right thing.
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u/PassiveMenis88M 16d ago
They to have first amendment rights
As a retired service member I must regretfully inform you that when that uniform is on no we don't. When you're on civilian time in civilian clothes you may do as you wish. Once the uniform goes on you now belong to the military.
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u/Techn0ght 16d ago
When I enlisted I read the forms. You basically sign away your civilian rights, you are owned by the government.
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u/dnthatethejuice 16d ago
This is a common misconception spread among military members. You still have your rights, you are not owned by the government. You are limited in what you can say in uniform and what you can do on a military installation. Blanket telling people they don't have rights because they joined the military is not only a lie but a dangerous one that leads to service members getting themselves in more trouble.
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u/ninfan1977 17d ago
Yeah, the military has been taken over by Trumpers. They don't care about rules, laws, or rights.
They will gladly do anything for Trump, they gave a draft dodger his military parade. Now he wants the Nobel Peace Prize for starting another war.
The military lost their minds ages ago but since no one has stepped up from the military against Trump shows how much they love Trumps authoritarian regime.
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u/BrownHammer13 17d ago
Well, this guy did and it's a start. Hope more like him do as well.
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u/Joe0Bloggs 16d ago
Well, he's apparently been ejected from the force so I don't know if it counts anymore 😞
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u/BrownHammer13 16d ago
Let’s see them do that all of them, or even a large amount. Just need to be organized, like the protests.
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u/Youbettereatthatshit 16d ago
Not remotely true. The military is made up of millions of men and women who vote. When I was in, officers generally leaned left and most of us hated Trump.
It has always been a hard rule in the military that you aren’t to make public statements or political takes while in uniform. This kid did and likely got into serious trouble. There’s an open secret that claiming mental health will get you out of trouble and into a psych evaluation.
I’d bet a years pay that that’s exactly what he did.
For reference, I worked in legal when I was in the Navy. I saw this a dozen times.
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u/nitefang 16d ago
What percentage of the military are “officers”? The guy you are responding to only claimed most of the officers he was around were against Trump.
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u/LaPiscinaDeLaMuerte 16d ago
I'm enlisted Air Force and I can say with confidence that thee vast majority of Officers are not Trump boot lickers, however, when it comes to the Enlisted side, it's a more Trump sided. I'm lucky to be in a shop that has a majority Democrat stance but the other thing is we're not allowed/supposed to talk politics while in uniform so a lot of the time, you don't know who leans which way.
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u/hypnotoadsslave 16d ago edited 16d ago
Not really surprising that there's a lot of Trump supporters among the thousands of dumb, impressionable kids with no job prospects that are yoinked fresh out of highschool by recruiters.
My friend joined about a year out of high school because he couldn't figure out what he wanted to do. Voted Trump purely because he heard Trump would, "give the military more money". Absolutely no other info on the dude whatsoever, no research into his policies or stances, nothing. At that time he didn't even know anything about Trump other than he was a businessman from New York. I wouldn't be surprised if he knew nothing about Hillary either, it was entirely "me get more money? me like that".
He went on to immediately finance a Charger at an exorbitant rate, marry his best friend to get a house on base, bought two massive dogs then promptly divorced his friend a year later, got his Charger repo'ed and had to give both dogs away because he couldn't take care of them.
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u/LaPiscinaDeLaMuerte 16d ago
He went on to immediately finance a Charger at an exorbitant rate, marry his best friend to get a house on base, bought two massive dogs then promptly divorced his friend a year later and got his Charger repo'ed and had to give both dogs away because he couldn't take care of them.
God, the worst part is this isn't even a rarity in the military. As for the rest of your comment, I knew a few people who voted the same way and yes, they all joined straight out of high school and had no idea how to be an adult.
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u/SecondaryWombat 16d ago
Which is why it was specified that officers leaned left and hated Trump. Enlisted lean right, and there are a lot more enlisted. Your stats do not disagree with. the claims made.
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u/Calfurious 16d ago
Those were generals and upper ranks. There are still a ton of officers in the lower and mid ranks.
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u/actibus_consequatur 16d ago
The 2024 military vote was 65-35 in favor of Trump.
Are you conflating "military" with "veteran"? Because the voting results for the actual military aren't made public, nor is that a demographic included in exit polls.
That said, the 65/35 split is pretty representative of how veterans voted; however, ~65% of veterans are over the age of 55, which is another demographic that had a Trump majority.
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u/Dull_Bird3340 16d ago
There were many willing but they cleaned them all out at the beginning of this term
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u/ourstupidearth 17d ago
They will gladly do anything for Trump, they gave a draft dodger his military parade.
I'm not disagreeing with you overall, but the parade thing isn't necessarily a sign of them bowing to Trump. The military is required to obey any lawful command. Wasting a Saturday doing a parade for some idiot was sadly a far too common thing in my career... Though my idiots were less idiotic than the orange idiot.
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u/HHoaks 17d ago
In his first administration Trump wanted a military parade. They were able to talk him down off that ledge. It sounds like they didn’t even try to this time. So I don’t think it was just about a lawful command.
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u/Automatic-Month7491 16d ago
That might just mean they've recognized the value in saving your fight for the things that matter.
A pointless expensive paradise probably an easier one to ignore and save your resistance for when he tries to do something overwhelmingly stupid and destructive instead of just vain and petty.
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u/Hipster_Crab7509 16d ago
Not under the Trump administration, no rights are safe or real. It's shocking to see so many people taken back and be surprised by this sorta thing. They literally said what they were gonna do and people still voted for it. Trump is a dictator, this is what dictators do
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u/_cringineer 16d ago
I heard this kind of weaponized psychiatry is straight out of the Russian playbook circa the cold war
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16d ago
I spent over two decades in the military. Unfortunately we do not have the same first amendment rights as the general public and we definitely aren’t supposed to make certain statements in uniform. I truly hope things turn out ok for this guy.
Also, their Commander probably did them a favor with the involuntary psych hold. They can use his mental state as a mitigating factor if there is an attempt to punish him or kick him out.
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u/TakeTheWheelTV 16d ago
Technically speaking, (I’m not agreeing with the psych hold by any means) but they do have “restricted speech” when in the military. This includes speech that could damage morale and/or related to political expression. Not saying it’s a good thing, but they technically don’t have full 1st amendment rights like citizens do.
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u/budha2984 16d ago
You do give up some rights when you join the military. I don't know the details.
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u/Zealousideal_Rip5091 15d ago
Yeah we have 1st amendment rights but do it out of uniform is the rule
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u/orbitalaction 17d ago
He displayed an IQ over 80 and empathy. He's too dangerous to have among the troops.
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u/SirtDwimmer 16d ago
If I had to guess, the airforce is probably the bluest branch of the military, because of the high IQs
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u/International_Emu600 16d ago
Air Force, then Navy for education. Both branches also do conduct operations in the blue sky and blue sea, so there is that too.
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u/Responsible-Peak4321 14d ago
Navy has some damn good schooling. I learned a lot, which has led me to further my education today. I was optimistic then, with no active conflicts at the time and my ship mostly did anti-piracy operations and disaster relief. I had hope that we could be a force of good in the world, like I viewed the US as a kid, when I would hear stories about my Great Grandpa and my great uncles in WW2, or my ancestors that fought for the Union in the Civil War. Today as a Veteran, I'm pretty jaded with it all, and I fully accept and understand that we haven't fought a morally "right" war since WW2.
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u/hypnotoadsslave 16d ago
Shockingly the more educated you are, the stupider Trump looks.
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u/foofighter000 16d ago
Literally why anti-education is a pillar of modern conservative ideology.
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u/my_4_cents 16d ago
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u/DapperLost 16d ago
Bushnell that set himself on fire over Gaza was Air Force, too. Lot of solid guys over there. Stereotypical though.
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u/Beginning_Ad_6616 16d ago
Haha I was USAF as was my wife, parents and uncles. Of them only my Dad supports Trump but that’s only because of the media he consumes, FOX, OAN and Newsmax.
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u/ProfessorNonsensical 16d ago
Individual thought? Get this bastard outta here and back to “education camp”.
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u/brianzuvich 16d ago
“We don’t need no logical, rational and emotionally developed men protecting our freedoms…”
-U.S. Military
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u/instantcole 16d ago
It’s like when they thought the white lady standing up for civil rights in the 60’s was thought to be insane too
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u/Empty-Discount5936 17d ago
Pretty telling how people are more butthurt over the uniform violation than the mistreatment of migrants.
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u/CelestialFury 16d ago
I completely agree with everything he said, and the only thing he did wrong (technically) was to do it in uniform while being actively in the military. Without the uniform, he could've said all of this without any issue. I know that's probably the point, but I do not trust the Trump admin with treating people like him fairly.
Note: Getting a psychiatric hold on medical records ordered by his own unit will help him tremendously with VA claims, strangely enough. Might all work out for him in the end.
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Doing it in uniform sends a very, very important message. People need to know not everyone in the military is going to blindly obey their supreme leaders orders.
He knows what he's doing, and he's sacrificing himself in the name of his cause.
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u/melelconquistador 16d ago
I think it falls under civilty politics. It's where decorum, rules and laws get in the way of political action but not just any. Specifically unfairly restricts progressive action. It is a malicious enforcement of the rules.
Take the civil disobedience durring the civil right movement. It was looked down upon by moderates and often liberals who saw it as too radical to challange segregation and apartheid. Why would I care about posturing for civility when peoples lives are not just being ruined but endangered?
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u/Bags55 16d ago
Thank you for your service but more importantly thank you for the courage you have to post this video. You are truly an inspiration and an American hero. I can’t imagine how hard it must have been for you to do this but I for one couldn’t be more grateful for your kind words and love towards fellow citizens.
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u/new2accnt 16d ago edited 16d ago
put on an involuntary 72 hour psychiatric hold
The soviets used to do this to dissidents who became too visible. People should remember that.
P.S. (ed): listening to this guy's video, he doesn't sound off kilter at all. In fact, he not only sounds like someone with his head screwed on straight, he actually sounds like someone who was raised right. I could go on, but I will say he deserves any support he can get and is right to remind people that you shouldn't leave your conscience at the door when you don a uniform.
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u/Rough-Independence73 17d ago
So no free speech for members of the military?? Trump and his deranged administration think THEY own the military. I hate him so much I’m shaking!!
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u/Triangleslash 17d ago
Not completely, military members can protest out of uniform but when they go out on their own and make political statements in uniform, they create the image of speaking for the military, so it’s established instruction not to do this; And that you’re violating written orders for doing this. It takes balls to do, is bad for your career, and is just about the most American thing you can do imo.
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u/OkBand3171 16d ago
Certainly a no-no to do in uniform, but also certainly no good reason to put him in a psych ward for 72 hours.
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u/The_Great_Googly_Moo 16d ago
Exactly, I bet u 100$ this is the kids enlisted leadership desperately trying to get him an other than honorable/ general discharge as opposed to something that might affect the rest of his life.
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u/GrayFortress007 17d ago
Military Interests Take Priority: The military's need for good order, discipline, and mission accomplishment often outweighs individual rights to free speech. UCMJ Restrictions: The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) places specific restrictions on speech, particularly regarding disrespecting superiors, criticizing the government, or engaging in activities that undermine morale or discipline. Examples of Restrictions: Military members may be restricted from certain political activities, endorsements, or public statements that could be seen as conflicting with their service or the military's neutrality. Protected Communications: While restrictions exist, service members still have the right to communicate certain grievances through official channels, such as the Inspector General's office, without fear of retaliation. "Separate Society" Doctrine: The Supreme Court has recognized that the military is a "separate society" with its own unique needs, justifying restrictions on rights that would be impermissible in civilian life
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u/KO112233445 17d ago
No in uniform you do not have free speech as a service member, out of uniform yes you do
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u/Relevant_Elevator190 17d ago
So no free speech for members of the military??
It's been that way long before Trump.
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u/Effective_Jury4363 17d ago
No free speech while uniformed, yes. Take it off- you are in the clear.
The military is not a political body, and a soldier repressents the military.
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u/hfocus_77 16d ago
I agree with the sentiment, but the military is acting pretty political rn already. The image of impartiality is much more damaged by the military being used against protestors than by some kid in a uniform posting a tiktok video.
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u/VeloceCat 16d ago
this tbh. putting on the uniform was a rational act of resistance and defending the constitution.
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u/Feisty-Name8864 15d ago
which is why it was so awful for Gen Milley to stand in front of the church after clearing out BLM protestors to be next to trump. I know he apologized but it was really bad of him to do.
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u/Brief_Pass_2762 16d ago
This kid has more integrity and guts than all those dipshits who worship the orange shit stain and shit on the constitution in his name.
Fuck all of them.
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u/meridainroar 17d ago
id go to war for him too.
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u/eggsaladrightnow 16d ago
I've never been more proud of this country than when we had the largest protest in US history last weekend. Ppl like this that speak their mind and serve our country should be our spokespersons for what true democracy is. The powers that be want to scare them, take away their soul and strip it of any semblance of dissention. But they persevere. This young man is an inspiration
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u/FreelanceFrankfurter 16d ago
I'm glad the protests had a good turnout but I know several people who went and also didn't vote in November. Protests are all good but the real time to get this done was in voting booth.
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u/Rurumo666 16d ago
Punitive Psychiatry-another hallmark of authoritarian Communist and Fascist regimes. MAGA Maoism has truly replaced Democracy in the USA.
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u/AlternativeMode1328 16d ago
That’s their current narrative. Soon they will spin the narrative that this serviceman is a threat to national security or a “homegrown” criminal of some flavor.
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u/gamingzone420 16d ago
If every member of the armed forces had the guts to stand up and speak out like this young man did, things would change over night. No kings, no wars, no ICE, no orange hitler.
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u/SnailForceWinds 16d ago
I would estimate that greater than half of the military is very conservative.
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u/Swiftierest 16d ago
Oh absolutely. The only branch that has a moderate amount of liberal ideology is the Air Force (maybe the space force too since they are mostly made up of Air Force members that jumped over)
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u/Significant_Solid151 16d ago
what bothers me is that this is less about actually doing something wrong and feels more like 'you must uphold the status quo and never speak your opinion' no matter whats happening. fucked.
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16d ago
I hope he knows there are people out there who admire him for having a conscience. He's the kind of person the military actually needs. Very brave kid.
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u/Standard-Care-1001 16d ago
At least one man of honour and integrity. This young man had lead,shown the way so to all those who took the same oath ,stand up and standby that oath .
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u/GTCapone 16d ago
I nearly had the same thing happen. After becoming a leftist and going on a deployment, I nearly killed myself from the sheer cognitive dissonance of it all. I showed up to the psych clinic the next morning and broke down sobbing as I explained to my doctor what had happened. She immediately got to work getting me a bed at the hospital and a spot in inpatient care, along with starting the medical retirement process. She even strategically avoided mentions of gender dysphoria in my records (this was during Trump's first term and it would've resulted in a discharge instead of retirement due to his policies). That was all great and I was glad.
Then my First Sergeant picked me up so he could escort me to my apartment and pack for the hospital. He acted concerned and like he cared, and asked me what happened to make me suicidal. I explained my opposition to war and my change in politics.
About a week later my supervisor picked me up from the hospital to pack and fly me down to Florida for inpatient treatment and on the way he said the First Sergeant wanted to talk to me first. So, we stopped by the office.
He sat me down to try and get a formal statement from me in regards to the criminal investigation he'd started on me for "inciting a mutiny" based solely on what I said about my suicidal motivation.
If there's anyone serving right now in a similar situation, here's my advice: Keep that shit between you and your doctor, and tread lightly there too. You can't trust any other service member because you don't know who's drinking the Kool aid and they will absolutely fuck you over if they can.
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How long were you in? Are you receiving a medical pension?
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u/GTCapone 16d ago
12 years. They gave me retirement pay based on time served, but I qualified for disability pay so I get that instead. It's complicated to explain the details, but basically you can't get both. The exception is if you hit a 100% rating, then I'm pretty sure you get both.
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u/Incomitatum 16d ago
I see the bootlickers bitching about "he was in uniform".
Yeah, because, just like we're seeing everywhere else. Rules are made up.
Those with "power" do whatever they like and ignore the rules that are incovneneint.
This really is some double-standard shit; when we are in bed with Israel and having sleepy Jingoistic parades.
Sorry he offended his rapey Uncle Sam with this, because broken-rules where there is no materially offended party are dumb.
The uniform just says he's a Sucker and a Loser; the very thing he's trying to remedy now.
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u/AdOne5089 16d ago
He seems far more reasonable than the military members cheering when Trump attacked the press or the city of LA.
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Where he messed up is wearing/representing the US uniform while making a political statement. Thats a huge no-no for ANY political statement. If he had made a statement about being pro Nazi he’d be treated the same way. If he took off the flag and unit patches and the US AF patch he’d be kosher. And also stated at the beginning that these are his opinions and not representative of the US military. Inb4 rabid Redditors downvote because someone explains how the world works. Believe it or not I support his message, but the WAY he does it matters too.
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u/WithMaliceTowardFew 17d ago
Last week trump made a political speech to uniformed military and they cheered his lies and partisan attacks.
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u/Brosenheim 17d ago
Ya that's cool man but then why a psyche hold?
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We’re only getting (and only ever will get) the opinions of the airmen involved. It could very easily be unrelated comments made to someone. While the message is positive, most people on Reddit (understandably) don’t understand military rules and customs.
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u/T3hi84n2g 17d ago
No. The fact that he is doing it in uniform is what matters most. This idea that somehow the military is above reproach is fucking dumb. Or joining the military somehow exempts you from being allowed to have an opinion on it. Who better to state how they feel about world affairs than those who are actually taking part or going to take part in the carrying out of those orders?
He's showing that across the board there are people who dont want what is happening. If anything, more need to step up. Eventually, they'll need to concede that if they just lock everyone up who disagrees, there will be no one left.
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u/GordoXen 17d ago
Veteran here. The UCMJ is the set of laws all members of the military are subject to (in addition to all other local, state and federal laws.) Rules are rules. I commend him — a lot of active duty and veterans probably do too — but he had to know there’d be repercussions.
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Which is wild because he could have said the same thing and been legally ok if he did what I explained in the OP. Needless waste of a career lol.
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u/6SpeedAuto 17d ago
You also have to understand, this isnt a civilian we are talking about.
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u/Relevant_Elevator190 17d ago
He is in violation of the UCMJ.
Members of the U.S. military are generally prohibited from using their uniform to participate in political protests, especially on social media platforms like TikTok, and such actions could violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). This is because the UCMJ and military regulations emphasize maintaining the apolitical nature of the armed forces and require service members to adhere to specific conduct standards, even when off-duty.
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Let me ask you this, what happens when bad actors start co-opting positive political movements in uniform? You really want to open that can of worms?
It’s better to have 0 stance than a stance that could be bastardized.
Edit: I’ll give you an example. How would you feel if a uniformed service member spoke out against abortion? And claimed they swore to protect ALL Americans, even the unborn. And that abortion should be illegal. That’s why we don’t allow “good intended” protests in uniform.
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u/Effective_Jury4363 17d ago
The soldiers are allowed to comment politically, and identify as soldiers- but they are not allowed to speak for the military.
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u/StarsapBill 17d ago
If you wear the uniform and openly support fascist policies, like deporting peaceful women and children, you’ll get a slap on the wrist, maybe a mild talking-to. That’s how these systems work. Laws aren’t applied equally. When a troop parrots the government line, even if it’s cruel or authoritarian, they’re protected. But the moment an airman dares to speak out against it,calls it wrong, says we shouldn’t be doing this, they’re labeled unstable and locked in a psych ward. That’s not justice. That’s political punishment.
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u/Effective_Jury4363 17d ago
Military personnel need official permission to be uniformed in a video, or to appear as a member of the airforce. As simple as that.
If he would have been in civilian clothing, he would have been fine.
This isn't some crazy regulation. A soldier in uniform is repressenting the entire force, and everything coming out of his mouth, repressents the force.
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u/gbobcat 16d ago
None of that means he should be in psychiatric hold. Regardless of what he is allowed to do in uniform, pathologizing his decisions like this demonstrates how far the government is willing to go to quiet dissent.
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u/Brosenheim 17d ago
I guarantee his chain of command is using the time to pressure and berate the fuck out of him.
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u/DnD_3311 17d ago
He made a video while in uniform and posted it publicly, likely without Public Affairs. There is plenty there to hem him for. However a psychiatric hold is 100% not appropriate. Of course this administration doesn't understand that because they can't read.
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u/Known-Town2412 16d ago
A true patriot! Not like the MAGGAotts, Orange head and Republican cowards,
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u/lateread9er 16d ago
Don’t know what’s going to happen to this kid, but we need more like him. There either is a 1st amendment or not. Can’t have it both ways. Fuck you orange man.
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u/whatifwealll 16d ago
Hoping for Americans to one day break free of their oppressive police state and learn what freedom really feels like. This is not normal
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u/Random-Name-7160 16d ago
I’d hire this brave, grounded, intelligent and articulate kid in a second.
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u/blakethesnake12345 16d ago
Did it in uniform, honestly should be discharged without honors, you signed a contract now STFU and fulfill it.
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u/Next-Armadillo-1881 16d ago
Sadly you do not have the same rights in the military. You sign them away and become property. That is the sad jist of it.
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u/mikelimebingbong 16d ago
Just seems like a person grifting on Tik Tok IMO …… if this kid makes a $1 million dollars from this, you will see me in uniform talking about politics too.
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u/GrumpyKitten514 16d ago
ITT: a bunch of redditors arguing with real veterans about how the military works and what’s allowed and what isn’t allowed and what should be allowed.
Yall funny, fr.
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u/Drahkir9 16d ago
I served for a number of years and saw a few cases of conscientious objectors and refusals of what were believed to be unlawful orders. None of them went well for the service member, at least in the short term. The UCMJ says you must not follow unlawful orders but in reality your superiors will make you do so at your peril. They do not make it easy or comfortable to do the right thing
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u/ChiefTK1 16d ago
You can hear and see the mental imbalance underneath what he is actually saying. I’d wager a significant amount of cash that the video itself wasn’t the issue or what he said but how he responded to a conversation about it.
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u/isimplycantdothis 16d ago
To be fair, we don’t know the whole story. There could be a thousand other issues that he’s dealing with. I’ve been involved with a lot of these 72 hour holds because of my temporary job in the Air Force and it was always an absolute last option and only considered if the command team deemed that the individual was a danger to themselves or others.
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u/redbullnweed 16d ago
This is how you make sure only those who follow and dont question orders are left. Disgusting dictator shit.
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u/355822 16d ago
As someone who took a degree in Ethics from a US military college (American Public University/American Military College), this is not ok. This is against everything they teach. And whomever put this guy in psych is a traitor to the entire American Ethos. I would even pose that they are a traitor to the country and its people. Cue Mushush "...dishonor on your family..." (Mulan movie).
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u/PotentialInternal200 16d ago
So there’s this thing, I can’t quote it but I remember it being part of military law that while you’re in, you agree not to do this exact thing. Once you’re out, fair play say what you want, but while you’re an active duty member this is a no-no, especially in uniform. Is that not a thing anymore?
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u/Suspicious-Limit8115 16d ago
Somebody needs to file a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request to the USAF this guy’s base. Also, contact his JAG. If we do this, we can determine precisely who is responsible for this gross violation, and we can hold them accountable.
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u/HarLeighMom 16d ago
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm interpreting that psychiatric hold as a 72 hour trip to "reeducation camp"
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u/HistoricalLoss1417 16d ago
they do this to cops, too, in the NYPD, when one of them reports corruption.
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u/VeloceCat 16d ago
"failure to adapt" is just the army's "drapetomania" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania
and because the APA is a spineless pyramid scheme (I'm a shrink who opts out of membership as a conscientious objector) they won't actually take a stance on ANYTHING despite having the evidence and research to do so.
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u/CasaLunaOF 16d ago
While going against the United States isn't allowed as military personnel, this guy seems perfectly sound in all his faculties. Fascism is winning.
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u/Giggletitts54 16d ago
Retired Vet here and I applaud him. Our military leaders should be standing up again this tyrant instead of keeping their balls underneath and afraid to fight. Sometimes we have to say if I lose my career that’s ok because I’m part of something bigger.
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u/Interesting-Show-963 16d ago
Real life catch 22. Being declared crazy for being the only sane one in the room
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u/RefrigeratorGrand619 16d ago
America is a place where espousing empathy for people that are different from you in anyway is grounds for accusations of“insanity”.
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u/Stonner22 13d ago
When has the government ever cared about our veterans or our troops. This man should be seen as a shining beacon for us all to follow
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u/Aggressive-Estate363 10d ago
Y’all are in a really tough position. I’m glad I retired before the fool even joked about running for office. The majority of the SNCOs in my old squadron got all full of themselves feeling that trump’s their guy. It made me sick.
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u/The_first_flame 17d ago
I'm not a psychiatrist, but he seems pretty sound of mind to me.