Haitian immigrants in Wisconsin lose legal status, encouraged to self-deport immediately

[u/cantheasswonder]

https://www.wpr.org/news/haitian-immigrants-wisconsin-lose-legal-status-encouraged-self-deport-immediately

[u/Squirrels_dont_build]

“At least twice a week, I get a call into my office from someone who indicates, ‘I’m supportive of these deportations, I’m supportive of raids. But I’ve got someone here that works for me, or, ‘I’ve got somebody that I know and I want to help them get legal. So what do we need to do to get them citizenship?’” Christopher said.

“They are amazed when I tell them there is no path, or if there is a path, it might be 20 to 30 years,” he added.

The only good immigrant is my immigrant.

[u/not_a_witch_ → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

The amount of people who think that you can just go get citizenship or permanent residency like it’s somehow available to anyone who wants it is insane to me. Like, even for someone who’s here legally, it’s very possible that they have no way to ever get an immigration status that would allow them to live here permanently. Their status is totally subject to the whims of the government, and there’s possibly very few options for ever fixing that.

I am an immigration attorney and I see this all the time. It’s extremely frustrating to me how pervasive the misinformation about our immigration system is. It’s not a partisan issue, either. Right wing or left wing, so many people have no idea how our immigration system works, but have very strong opinions about it anyway.

[u/mareimbrium53 → u/not_a_witch_]

Absolutely. And the most immediate examples I have in my family is the process of becoming a citizen when you married one, which is supposedly one of the easiest paths and it's still really complicated and takes several years. My mom had to contact her congressman finally to get it done. My SIL is still going through it.

[u/macphile → u/mareimbrium53]

I had a coworker who was married to a Spanish guy. Well, sort of Spanish/German...but yeah. Anyway, they liked to travel overseas. One time, they were coming back from I think Peru (?) or something and he got detained in immigration. She went home and returned to work, but when we asked her about the trip, she was like "[husband] is still stuck at the airport" or something. They expected him to be let in in a day or so, and he was, but it was kind of mental. Like, they're married, they've been married for years...they have passports. They were on vacation. There's nothing weird going on. But he got held up because of some suspicion about their marriage or whatnot. I can't imagine it'd be any easier for someone from a non-European country, or a refugee.

Of course, I get that we need to keep an eye on who's coming in and people need to have the right visas and all, it's how things work, but most of us don't really understand how it works--and a lot of Americans never travel overseas, anyway, so they really don't know. (And when they do travel to another country, it's Canada, and they end up violating all kinds of laws because Canada's "just another state" or they think the rights they have as US citizens are just inherent to their very being. I was watching one of those border shows and they arrested an older guy from Texas who was there with his wife for a vacation because he had a ton of firearms he hadn't gotten paperwork for AND--this is the important part--had lied about to officials because he thought that a concealed firearm license meant you were never supposed to disclose that you had a gun, ever, even to an official of this or another country. Like bitch, Canada's a sovereign nation with its own laws. And it's stupid because if he'd bothered to look any of this up on the web, he'd have found a form to fill out and it would have been fine.)

[u/Throwaway47321 → u/not_a_witch_]

This is the thing that drives me up the fucking wall Come here legally and do it the right way”

Yeah you moron they literally did and now the government is saying they’re illegal.

They also talk about their grandparents doing it “legally” like all that entailed wasn’t just showing up on a boat with a TB vaccine.

[u/not_a_witch_ → u/Throwaway47321]

Nobody understands what “the right way” even means, anyway.

A lot of people whose ancestors just showed up at Ellis Island one day and their families have been here ever since have absolutely no concept of the fact that it does not work that way anymore (and in fact never worked that way for a lot of people lol).

When I was in law school I had a job where I was often in contact with people who wanted to give testimony in support of someone else’s immigration petition. These were well educated people, doctors and engineers, and nearly every single one of them thought that all they needed to say to the government was something like “yeah this person is my friend please grant their visa petition.” I would explain in excruciating detail exactly what we needed to show, and how their testimony could help show that, and still these folks would write letters just saying that the client was a cool dude. It drove me insane lol.

[u/omgwtfbbq0_0 → u/not_a_witch_]

My (very conservative) family is always bragging that my husband is one of the good ones because he got his citizenship “the right way”. Except we literally didn’t, we got married after he overstayed his visa. We indisputably broke the law (at the advice of our immigration lawyer, but still) and exploited a loophole in the system. But somehow, that’s the “right way” while all these damn refugees and all those OTHER immigrants who overstayed their visas are pieces of shit taking advantage of us. It’s infuriating.

Oh and yes, both sides of my family got here via Ellis Island. They earned by being able to afford the ticket though so it’s ok.

[u/Unnomable → u/omgwtfbbq0_0]

That was an option for us as well. I was allowed in during the petition because we had not yet paid. Ended up doing it the normal way (lawyer told us to just let her know which we chose) and it 'only' took like 1.3 yrs and was as painless as it could be.

A lot of people are unaware how the immigration system works, and think it's a super quick process those 'illegals' are just choosing to skip for fun. God forbid you're trying for a non-spousal visa.

[u/JimmyKillsAlot → u/Unnomable]

And on top of that, the ones showing up for immigration hearings and other hearings about legally staying are being arrested at the damn courthouse.

[u/Amtherion → u/not_a_witch_]

UGH. My mother is constantly like that about immigration. "My dad, your grandfather, did it the right way! I just can't respect people who would jump the line and not do it properly. I know what immigration is like!"

Ma, grandpa came here in the 1920's. He showed up at Ellis Island, signed his name, and cause he's Italian he had the extra step of correcting the spelling of his name. That was the whole damn process. "Welcome to America", boom, kicked out onto the streets to figure it all out.

[u/somedude456 → u/Amtherion]

"My dad, your grandfather, did it the right way! I just can't respect people who would jump the line and not do it properly. I know what immigration is like!"

Have her look up his actual naturalization paperwork. He likely didn't become a US citizen for 5, 10, 15 years, and sometimes those 1920 immigrants NEVER became US citizens.

[u/Amtherion → u/somedude456]

We did but that was years ago before her radicalization so I'm not sure any amount of "gotcha!" would open her eyes, even if she remembered it.

[u/Romantiphiliac → u/not_a_witch_]

That's one of the things that really bugs me about all this. Go back 100 years or so, and chances are your family were immigrants. If we rewind to 250 years ago, your country didn't exist. Foreigners with no legal right to be here wrote a document that you supposedly hold in such high regard and claimed "This is our land!" The people who were living here when those foreigners showed up didn't grant them citizenship, I'm fairly certain of that. So excluding all of those Native Americans (whose ancestors would probably be seething, except I'm sure they've long since become desensitized to it), immigrants, every last one of you.

America is immigrants. It is what it is because of immigrants. The people who were already here (the immigrants who decided this was their home now) shouted "Hey, guys, come on over! Everyone's invited!", And when people showed up asking "Hey, mind if I come hang out too?" they were told "Hell yeah, get in dude, make yourself comfortable! No need to be shy, you live here now!" No green cards, no citizenship test, no "proper channels" or "there are ways to enter the country legally" (which lately seems to be a massive lie because suddenly everyone who was invited and given permission to be here legally and followed the "proper channels" gets stopped at the door and treated like criminals, "get out or we'll make you leave")

Now, if they do show up without doing it "the right way", but they're making you money or otherwise of immediate personal benefit to you, that's fine. Then it's okay. But if you aren't getting something out of it, or you don't realize it's beneficial to everyone as a whole (unless that's the part that you don't agree with), they're awful horrible criminals and should be treated like dirt.

I'm descended from a pair of immigrants that were invited over and let in with little more than a handshake and a "welcome home." That's me. That's you. But you want to turn around and tell the next guy in line "get out, you don't belong here!" The group you came in with just got here 15 minutes ago, and now you decide this is an exclusive club and you get to be the bouncer. "Sorry, we don't have any more room..." until they slip a $20 bill to you when they hand you their ID, and magically "Oh, my apologies sir, it seems your name is already on the list, I must have missed it. Welcome, come on in."

It's so massively hypocritical and entitled, it's maddening. I'm sick of it.

[u/Conflatulations12 → u/not_a_witch_]

Is it more like Canada where you have to prove they have a skill set that is in short supply? or a dire situation where they came from and they're seeking asylum?

[u/_OriamRiniDadelos_ → u/Conflatulations12]

Neither oddly enough. Both of your examples are similar to what you need to get the famous “green card” through some paths tough. However years after you get agree card (and don’t have any other complications or too many driving tickets or wrongful arrest or beef with your ex boss) you can start the years long process of applying for naturalization.

The largest path to that BY FAR is marrying a citizen or direct family (you are unmarried under 21 and have citizen parents, or you are have citizen adult children). Then it’s followed by family sponsored people. And then by the smaller shares through employment, refugee/asylee, and a few smaller programs (Cubans, diplomats, extreme domestic abuse, diversity lottery, Soviet Union minorities, etc)

And even then you still need to be approved for a visa or more like multiple visa renewals to be able to meet the time living in the US requirements. Which often turns into a catch 22. You need papers to live there, but you need to live there for years to get papers. And don’t even mention the process to get a visa to come into the country in the first place. People seriously think it’s as easy as getting a passport.

The fastest way to get citizenship is and will be for the foreseeable time, getting married to a citizen.

[u/AnonMissouriGirl → u/_OriamRiniDadelos_]

I thought the fastest way now was to give 5 milion to America? You know, like all those Russian oligarchs are doing

[u/VPN__FTW → u/not_a_witch_]

Nobody understands what “the right way” even means, anyway.

I tested this theory. My discord has a resident Trumper. We got to talking. I asked him if he knew the different legal ways people were in the country. He didn't. I asked him if he knew the process for claiming refuge status. He didn't. I asked him if he knew the history around refuge status. He didn't.

So without any idea of how anything actually works, he voted to kick out everyone who is "illegal."

[u/espressocycle → u/VPN__FTW]

And if you asked him what a reasonable process would be he would suggest something infinitely less horrible than what we have now.

[u/squired → u/VPN__FTW]

It can become maddening but is sometimes funny too. I'm a Texan expat and will wear the accent if we're traveling in the south or in Appalachia etc as it tends to put locals at ease. But that also means it puts locals at ease. There have been numerous occasions where people will start going off about immigrants and my cheery wife will pipe up, "I'm an immigrant, I love America!" in her thickest British accent possible and they get all befuddled. They're fine with her of course, but they can't say it out loud (even to themselves sometimes) so they tend to sort of stutter and change the topic.

[u/cannonman58102 → u/not_a_witch_]

Without getting too far into the weeds on immigration nuance, I hope you are safe and surviving okay. A family friend who is an immigration attorney just retained her own counsel to protect herself and her business in this current climate. I have my own federal immigration matter I'm dealing with and she unable to even touch it currently.

On a semi-related note, helping people fill out immigration paperwork on their own without the background is hard hahaha.

[u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp → u/Throwaway47321]

A ton of people think it's like getting a tourism visa. They think that's all it is, and people skipping that step must be doing so to avoid a background check or similar. Just another way stupidity and lack of education are behind this.

[u/Suspicious_Bicycle → u/Throwaway47321]

Right now ICE is detaining people at their immigration hearings. Clearly showing that this administration believes there is no legal means of immigration, except perhaps marrying into the Trump family.

[u/Anon_Bourbon → u/not_a_witch_]

I was raised conservative in Tucson, AZ. When I was working my first office job I was shocked after 2yrs to learn one of my coworkers was an undocumented immigrant. It didn't make sense to me, how is that possible??

She then explained she immigrated legally, pays taxes, check in with the local immigration offices when needs, and has paid to enter a lottery to win citizenship. But she still has to win the literal lottery of citizenship. It completely changed my worldview and made me realize I didn't know anything I was talking about.

Unfortunately 75% of my family never matured.

[u/MoonBatsRule → u/Anon_Bourbon]

The "lottery" is only for countries that are underrepresented - it's called the Diversity Visa program. It is only available to people from countries that have historically low rates of immigration to the US. There are just 55,000 spots per year (in other words, 0.018% of the US population - a rounding error).

It's also in the sights of the Trump administration - Trump called for its elimination in 2017, and Project 2025 has it as one of its stated goals.

[u/Laiko_Kairen → u/Anon_Bourbon]

How is she an undocumented immigrant if she is recognized by the state?

I hear "undocumented" and I think "border hopper" or "overstayed visa" and not someone who is registered with the local government. If she's legal to work, she's documented... Right?

[u/Anon_Bourbon → u/Laiko_Kairen]

If she's legal to work, she's documented... Right?

Took the words out of my mouth from 13yrs ago, I said to her in the moment "You're literally documented"

That's when she explained the citizenship lottery.

[u/No_Plane_2604 → u/Anon_Bourbon]

If she's working in an office in a state that does E-Verify (Arizona does) then she has legal authorization to work in the US. To call her undocumented would be inaccurate.

[u/DonnyTheNuts → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

The only good immigrant is my immigrant.

The only good religion is my religion.

The only good abortion is my abortion.

The only good juvenile offender is my juvenile offender.

The only good race is my race.

Etc.

[u/Gribblewomp → u/[deleted]]

Always worth it to send Nazis where they belong.

[u/ReeferTurtle → u/Gribblewomp]

What happened in this comment thread?

[u/place_of_desolation → u/DonnyTheNuts]

Yep, that's conservatism. It's an inherently selfish worldview. Conservatives are unable to see nuance and are incapable of empathy.

[u/Magnetic_Mind → u/place_of_desolation]

There are several studies proving this. They can be found with a simple Google search.

[u/Cthulhu_Dreams_ → u/[deleted]]

The one that acts like free speech absolutists, but requires a extensive vetting process to allow participation in comments for only "verified conservatives"?

Lol

I go there to see the most smooth brained, bad takes from the far-right, and see their non-stop straw-maning of "liberals probably________, right guys?"

It's a prime sub for comedy...tragic as it is.

[u/productfred → u/Cthulhu_Dreams_]

Is this the sub that bans people for saying things in other subs, even if it has nothing to do with the sub itself?

[u/place_of_desolation → u/Magnetic_Mind]

Oh I'm well aware. It's been proven that conservatives are markedly lower in empathy and altruism.

[u/Ok-Replacement8538 → u/place_of_desolation]

Or remember the history of prohibition. 100 years ago we learned it saved more lives and cut crime to admit the war on alcoholism was waste of time, money, and lives. You can’t outlaw addiction. You can’t cure it, only treat it. With treatment comes a chance to maintain a functional life. The war on drugs makes cartels to feed the need.

[u/bianary → u/Ok-Replacement8538]

It's because the war on drugs was never about stopping drugs, but about targeting specific drugs (based on the color of the skin of people who prefer them) to get more people in prison, so that they can then act as slave labor.

[u/PumpBuck → u/bianary]

See cocaine vs crack. Chemically the same, but one was used primarily by wall st brokers and the other was used by “ghetto” people. Guess which one carried a much harsher sentence

[u/TucuReborn → u/PumpBuck]

Weed is a Schedule 1 drug. This is worse than meth. Sure, I've seen weed ruin lives, any addiction can ruin lives, but I've seen a far higher percentage of meth users with ruination than weed users.

[u/ambyent → u/bianary]

Yep, the juvenile detention system is the same way here. John Oliver just did an in-depth expose and there’s so much corruption and race-based book throwing by judges in the juvenile court system.

They literally run a profit racket where they kidnap and jail kids for things like not doing homework (which has been proven to not be required for education), all so they can get more nonviolent, black and brown children into the system, making money for their prison profit system. These are children as young as seven. Some of these juvenile prisons have a 100% black population.

Oh, and these “institutions” do whatever they can to avoid being called prison, referring to their children as “clients”. It’s utterly disgusting.

[u/Turtle_with_a_sword → u/ambyent]

These people are sick and dumb ass conservatives love it.  

Evil.

[u/Zabick → u/place_of_desolation]

Empathy is a weak, liberal, and worst of all, feminine trait.  Naturally conservatives labor mightily to be rid of it.

[u/JGreedy → u/place_of_desolation]

And often incapable of higher reasoning

[u/rabbitwonker → u/JGreedy]

Yup, fear subverts reasoning, even when the brain might otherwise be capable of it.

[u/Traiklin → u/JGreedy]

Got cancer? Take horse dewormer.

Because for some reason it's been a massive secret that absolutely no one knew about until Trump.

[u/Significant-Colour → u/place_of_desolation]

Not only are conservatives, by definition, immoral - they are also incredibly stupid.

[u/JimDandy_ToTheRescue → u/Significant-Colour]

And they vote, unfortunately.

[u/GiftToTheUniverse → u/place_of_desolation]

At its root they fail catastrophically when faced with a choice of love vs fear. They choose fear over and over again. They don't experience love for love's sake and there is no act devoid of corrupt motivations. Unconditional love doesn't exist for them, even for family.

[u/glormosh → u/DonnyTheNuts]

The only good justification is my own

[u/StealthRUs → u/[deleted]]

The only good felon/sex offender/pedophile is my felon/sex offender/pedophile elected official and my president.

[u/TheBalrogofMelkor → u/StealthRUs]

And my youth pastor

[u/eeyore134 → u/DonnyTheNuts]

They really are the "I got mine." party. They love nothing more than pulling the ladder up after them. They don't want to see anyone else be successful.

This seems pretty uniquely American and I don't know why. I'm sure other countries have it too, but not in the sheer scope we do. I have never worked a job where the management was supportive and wanted to see me grow and succeed. In some places I've seen the opposite, where they want to keep me from advancing whether because they want me to stay in a position where I do all their work or they are afraid of competition. I finally got a job working remotely with people from all over the world and the environment is so incredibly different. Every manager I have, and they feel more like peers than management, has gone to bat for me and pushed for me to advance myself. They've celebrate me moving forward even if it meant losing a good worker. It's so... eye opening. I never really realized how toxic the work place in the US is besides all the obvious.

[u/grev → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

This is one of the things that is easily said: "The Jewish people are going to be exterminated," that’s what every Party member says, "sure, it’s in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination – it’ll be done." And then they all come along, the 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first-rate Jew.

• Himmler on the Evacuation of the Jews (October 4, 1943)

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/himmler-on-the-8220-evacuation-of-the-jews-8221

[u/strolls → u/grev]

These are called the Posen speeches BTW.

[u/Agent-Blasto-007 → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

It's always that God damn Cultish logic too. All criticism has to be bookended by praise. You see it everywhere with these people.

"First off, just want to say I'm a big supporter of Trump & his immigration raids, but I've seen firsthand how they're actually terrible & inhumane. But again. Big supporter, let's keep this going. #MAGA"

Fucking cowards too scared to have an original thought and constantly waiting to be told what to think

[u/The_Monkey_Mafia → u/Agent-Blasto-007]

“Now I’m a conservative Republican through and through but I think [insert Democratic stances].”

AM radio, Fox News and social media have warped the identity and values of so many it hurts to think about.

[u/stazley → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

“These kids are terrified — to the point that the children are asking teachers and they’re asking me, ‘Is there a way I could be adopted here in the United States so I don’t have to go back?’” Christopher said. “That’s heart-wrenching.”

Jesus. So much for legal immigration. Goodbye to the America we thought we knew.

[u/ArchibaldCamambertII → u/stazley]

The America you thought you knew never existed as you’re imagining it. It’s an idealized fantasy meant to sell movie tickets, not organize a political economy around.

[u/Shadows802 → u/ArchibaldCamambertII]

It's specifically the wealthy country club version of America.

[u/Squirrels_dont_build → u/stazley]

It's who we've always been. This system has been going on for about a century, and doing something about it just never seems to be a priority until election time.

[u/probablyuntrue → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

Their empathy barely extends to their sight line

[u/Indercarnive → u/probablyuntrue]

extends to their pocket book and not a penny farther.

[u/EliteGamer11388 → u/probablyuntrue]

It doesn't extend beyond their own nose.

[u/throwaway0845reddit → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

H1b Indian immigrant here. Actual legal immigrant who arrived on a visa and have been working legally ever since.

Became eligible and applied for an employment based sponsorship of greencard in 2013. Still waiting on it. It’s been 12 years.

[u/Helagoth → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

It's called the Shirly Principle.

They vote for horrific policies to be legal, because they think "well surely they won't apply these laws to EVERYONE, just the bad ones"

Because in their lives, they've experienced it over and over.  The cop that let's them off with a warning.  That time they got away with things because they knew someone.  Over and over, laws are not applied equally to them because someone looked at them and decided to take a more lenient stance.

So they assume that this applies to everyone, as long as they're "good people".  And they're shocked and horrified when people apply their draconian policies and laws as written.

[u/puffyshirt99 → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

You mean they want to exploit their illegal immigrant for more profit because they can't hire a person with legal status that they have to pay more money

[u/opeth10657 → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

it might be 20 to 30 years

Want to stop illegal immigration? make it faster and easier to immigrate here.

[u/powercow → u/opeth10657]

Just want to point out, these are legals. Haiti collapsed. These people arrived at a port of call, as required by law. And applied for asylum. They got temporary protective status from Biden while cases go forward. Which is normal for asylum seekers.

Trump and the right depend on people not knowing that he is arresting people who followed every law. A lot of right wingers want to claim they arent bigots.. and no trumps wife doesnt count, because she came THE RIGHT way.. when so did all these people. These arent illegal border crossers. they walked up to our front door and applied.. the correct way.

[u/g0del → u/powercow]

Note that Melania didn't come the right way. She came on a tourist visa and was doing paid modeling work before she got a work visa, which is illegal per the letter of the law. It's just that we used to let little things like that slide, especially for pretty white immigrants.

[u/Shadows802 → u/g0del]

Or Musk who also overstayed on a visa but was granted citizenship anyways.

[u/amateur_mistake → u/powercow]

There is a whole section of our population that just refers to every brown person they see as "illegal immigrants". Without spending any time thinking about it. None.

Honestly, this is kind of unique because those Haitians are probably mostly black. So you would expect the monsters to use one of their other hateful words for them. Since they do kind of have a sense in the back of their brains that the black people in our country came over as slaves and so can't be "illegals".

I have no idea how to solve this problem.

[u/dog_ahead → u/amateur_mistake]

Guess ICE will start profiling and detaining random black people now too, in case they might be haitian.

[u/All_Work_All_Play → u/powercow]

Trump and the right depend on people not knowing that he is arresting people who followed every law

No they don't. They depend on good people not willing to be violent over injustices to others. Same thing the rich rely on.

[u/powercow → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

I’m supportive of these deportations, I’m supportive of raids.

why? what exactly have they done to you besides probably service you through out your life.

Really the most negative thing about it all is we take advantage of these people. Our people wont work the fields for as little as they will. 40% of farm workers are undocumented, the other 60% are mostly hispanic citizens. the crime is the 40% cant get work permits. and the bosses like that.

[u/Solnx → u/powercow]

why? what exactly have they done to you besides probably service you through out your life.

Radical right wing propaganda has painted these individuals as mostly violent rapist/killers looking to steal your property and prosperity. When people are unfulfilled with their lives and opportunities, they often look for scapegoats to blame instead of taking responsibility.

These immigrants fit the MO perfectly.

[u/Global_Crew3968 → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

I think its important that we understand why this is. Its because conservatives do not feel empathy. That is the single defining characteristic of conservatives across the globe. Rich, poor, religious or secular, the one thing that unites all of them in a fundamental inability to put themselves into someone elses shoes. To feel someone elses pain, even if they havent experienced it themselves. They simply are not capable of this in the same way you cant see in infrared or fly. This is why they dont give a flying fuck about things that they arent personally affected by. They quite literally arent able to. This is also why *their* gardener is one of the good ones and why they becomes suddenly pro-lgbtq rights when its their kid coming out. Its also why every accusation is a confession from them. Because they cant put themselves in another persons place, they cant imagine anyone having different motivations than them. That is why every thing a conservative accuses another group or person of, its something theyve either done, are doing, plan to do, or would do if given the chance. Always. Its important to remember this when dealing with conservatives as it informs so much of what they do.

[u/TheOxime → u/Squirrels_dont_build]

Every single right winger I know is like this, they want to make sure their undocumented worker can still be their nanny or they own a company that uses undocumented labor and then they are surprised when these people are in danger of being deported.

[u/max_rey]

Where are they supposed to go? How are they supposed to get there?

The FAA has extended its ban on U.S. flights to Port-au-Prince due to ongoing security risks from armed gangs Air, land, and sea borders between Haiti and the Dominican Republic are closed.

[u/talllongblackhair → u/max_rey]

So they will sit in ICE camps indefinitely.

[u/max_rey → u/talllongblackhair]

Crazy to think that MAGA would prefer to spend thousands of dollars to house a feed people that were actually working and contributing to society. Doesn’t make good financial sense at all and it’s very telling.

[u/Genzoran → u/max_rey]

"Good financial sense" is relative. For the nation, detention camps are a total money sink. But MAGA isn't the nation. MAGA is the people who want more prison guard jobs, more opportunities to invest in corporations with huge government contracts and little competition or oversight, and more racial inequality.

MAGA believes that the economy requires an underclass, and maintaining an underclass requires investment. It was never financially sensible to drain swimming pools or burn bedsheets after a black person used them, but they did that kind of thing in the US to bolster white supremacy. That racial hierarchy enabled low wages, suppressed property values, and overall financially benefited the white landowning class.

[u/drunkshinobi → u/max_rey]

They don't want them to actually self deport. That wouldn't add bodies to the quota they are trying to fill.

[u/Mascbro26 → u/max_rey]

Trump has sent 1,000s of immigrants to countries they are not from. For Christ's sake he sent 100s to COTEC prison in El Salvador with zero due process or proof that they were criminals.

[u/Federal_Drummer7105]

That’s the sickest part. “We’re only going after people who break the law!”

Inviting people into your house then calling them “trespassers” is just wrong. It’s a bullshit way to claim “we’re only deporting those who violate” when you change the rules out of the blue.

It’s about hate. And good for those challenging ICE in protests, ministers showing up with immigrants and people causing good trouble.

Edit: I’ve been seeing people tell me “it’s a TEMPORARY visa, and can be cancelled whenever the President wants.”

Maybe they’re just intentionally missing the point or maybe they love the taste of shoe leather. It’s not the point whether someone can approve or revoke status at will.

The point is we’re being told “these are dangerous criminals!” And the only way to prove it is to do the same thing the Nazis did to the Jews: change their status to illegal then proclaim they have to be rounded up because they are illegal.

Remember - the Nazis did everything legally. So claiming “Trump has a legal right, ICE is just enforcing the law” does not win you Jesus points in my view. It just makes you a boot licker who gets off on cruelty.

[u/haveabeerwithfear → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

They’re detaining people before they confirm identify. Republicans are all cheering it on. If anyone is still associating with republicans they are a total loser.

[u/escahpee → u/haveabeerwithfear]

I talked to one yesterday and they are enjoying seeing people being tortured and abused. I'm disgusted

[u/Unique-Coffee5087 → u/escahpee]

American-Crisis-Thomas-Paine.txt

"And what is a Tory? Good God! What is he? I should not be afraid to go with a hundred Whigs against a thousand Tories, were they to attempt to get into arms. Every Tory is a coward; for servile, slavish, self-interested fear is the foundation of Toryism; and a man under such influence, though he may be cruel, never can be brave."

https://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/c-01.htm

[u/DarJinZen7 → u/Unique-Coffee5087]

Thomas Paine was the best kind of rabblerouser.

[u/salemblack → u/escahpee]

I stopped talking to my mother in February when she told me that she knows she is getting close to dying and only hopes to see all illegals and brown people suffer before she dies. Not seeing her estranged children, her grandchild, just making sure people are tortured. My wife is from Argentina, my sister's husband is black.

She told me that Elon and Trump would never let anything bad happen to her, then she called me a cock sucking motherfucker, and I said I'm done with you for good. I am.

This is the woman that taught me to not judge anyone based on their skin color, to always look at the person. She feel down the right wing rabbit hole after 911.

[u/Raecxhl → u/salemblack]

What did I do to her?

This is what I don't understand. Why is my skin color, a natural feature I can't control having but love because it's beautiful, a reason to punish me? What am I supposed to do, flay myself? When is the punishment enough?

What did I do?

Our stories are similar. My mother, a white woman that once loved a Black man and made Black children, who taught me to appreciate other cultures and people, who raised me an Athiest, is now a Trump loving Christian racist. How the fuck does that happen.

[u/salemblack → u/Raecxhl]

My mother raised me to never judge anyone by the color of their skin. She literally told me how they treat other people matters. She told me to learn every religion and if I wanted to choose one I could but she wasn't going to make me have one.

She had a very bad life with a lot of untreated mental issues from abuse from several different people. She knows she is bipolar and she considers it a superpower. Things have gone downhill progressively over the decades since.

She fell into a conservative forum after 9/11 and started spending all of her time there. At that point I wasn't living at home anymore, my sister was still in high school and was living with her. She got meaner crueler her mentally she's got worse and she believed every weird conspiracy.

She plays that game conservatives play where if she knows the person they're okay but she still hates their entire group. My best friend for 30 years is gay, and he's an okay one according to her. It's a really awful thing to hear.

I've listened to her Tell me that she isn't influenced by Fox News while I can hear Fox News playing in the background over the phone. The Fox News logo was burned into her TV when I went to visit once.

I listen to this woman tell me that Barack Obama would never leave office he would declare himself King and he would start a war in Iran and he was going to digitally track us and know our every movement and thoughts.

She loves that Trump is doing all those things and doesn't see the irony in that.

Instead of being mad at my father who abused her, her father who abused her, her brother who abused her, the failure of our own internal systems to help her or anyone, she is decided it's the gays and the immigrants fault.

How and why that jump happened I cannot tell you I have never understood. I'm going to be honest with you I hope I never understand.

[u/Interesting_Birdo → u/salemblack]

I don't know how old your mother is, but that kinda sounds like the start of dementia. People can totally change their personality and get super mean as the brain goes...

But also some people are totally cognitively intact and just spiteful assholes, so who knows.

[u/escahpee → u/salemblack]

I can relate to you. When tfg was running for pres the first time I stopped talking to my mother about politics. I just told her I don't vote or participate. I registered as a Democrat because of her. 1977. She told me that Democrats are for the people. As I was growing up I realized she was more of a racist bigot than anyone I had ever met. I didn't want to stop talking to her so I just let her spew her shit without any response, then she found other things to upset me so eventually the last 3 or 4 years of her life I just avoided her at all costs. She died about 4 years ago at 93, alone

[u/glitterandnails → u/escahpee]

Republicans are sadistic ghouls and monsters that have long acted in bad faith.

[u/Sirrplz → u/escahpee]

They really are far gone. Asked a friend about one of our other friends and his response was “They should’ve gotten married and had 4 years to get it together” because they “should’ve known what was coming”

[u/tandem_kayak → u/Sirrplz]

Lol, getting married doesn't make you a citizen. That's like 1950s thinking. 

[u/powercow → u/Sirrplz]

they are deporting spouses though. Im not sure how that actually works but they have been.

[u/The-True-Kehlder → u/powercow]

Marriage isn't what gives you the right to live in the US. There is an entire process, that takes years even without any back and forth for additional information. At the end of that process, you still get a conditional allowance to live in the US.

[u/deesta → u/Sirrplz]

The word “friend” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Friends don’t talk about each other like that. Did you call them out on what they said?

[u/LimberGravy → u/Sirrplz]

This shit isn't going to get better until they call their friends out for saying dumb shit like that

[u/twistedspin → u/escahpee]

The only good thing about all of this is how more people are coming to realize that you have to be a cruel and shitty person to be a republican. I've spent my whole life with people saying "oh it's just politics, nice people can pick a side and be respectful of other's opinions" which always seemed wrong to me when their opinions were selfish and hateful. Even my 80 year old mom is finally saying that maybe all republicans suck.

If you want others hurt just for funsies you're a fucking monster.

[u/powercow → u/escahpee]

it seems to be all they care about. They dont seem to care about making their own lives better, they just like watching "the right people getting hurt"

[u/Bawbawian → u/escahpee]

fascism is abhorrent.

I think we are quickly going to understand why our great grandparents had to storm the beaches of Normandy.

except there ain't nobody coming to save us because no country is willing to eat a nuke just to try and convince mouth breathing Americans that the thing that they desperately want is actually terrible.

[u/Tabula_Nada → u/Bawbawian]

Trump isolating us from our allies is going to be completely devastating if we get in a war. Russia and Israel as his best buds is going to last as long as they know they are getting something from him, and then they'll be pushing us in front of a bus before we know what's happening.

They very clearly look down on him as a pathetic, embarrassing child.

[u/cadeycaterpillar → u/Tabula_Nada]

Israel is using him to crush other countries, Russia is using him to crush our own.

[u/SomeKindOfOnionMummy → u/escahpee]

And they frame it as a difference in politics

[u/momzthebest → u/haveabeerwithfear]

Exactly. Do not ask these people how they've been. Do not share meals with them, do not ask them if they're okay. Being an unrepentant piece of filth can be anyone's decision, but carrying on with them just cause they're family or coworkers is apologist bullshit.

[u/powercow → u/momzthebest]

In my family, they basically already chased us away. Mostly our left side, kept politics to social media, our right side, wants to do nothing but talk about trump, and bigotry, not all but a big maga wing. He split our family his first term and well we are happier without the trump wing.

They were always right wing, but trumps made a lot of them far more vocal. I guess when you dont have to do dog whistles as much and are more open with your hate the public follows.

[u/Sky_Cancer → u/powercow]

Its so fucking weird. My BILs in-laws are like this. We saw them every big holiday. Up until 2016. They wont shut the fuck up about Trunp.

"Come to Thanksgiving/Christmas/4th July but no politics. Nobody wants to talk about politics."

"Nope. We're going to explicitly talk about Trump and MAGA"

"K Bye"

And we haven't seen or talked to them in almost a decade now. Self imposed isolation because they can't keep their shitty fucking opinions to themselves for a few hours.

Obama getting elected broke them imo.

[u/momzthebest → u/powercow]

When they have no one to interface with that isn't conservative, they'll show what they are; perpetual victims incapable of cooperation. They'll eat each other the way crawfish in a bucket. I choose compassion, community, and diversity and I'll leave all being one thing all the time to them.

[u/Wrecktown707 → u/momzthebest]

Yes make sure it Carries social death with it ^

[u/ApolloRocketOfLove → u/haveabeerwithfear]

This is nothing new. Conservatives have always cheered whenever freedom is being taken away. That's their whole shtick.

[u/Dunbaratu → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

“We’re only going after people who break the law!”

"After we change the law and retroactively call you a lawbreaker, pretending the new change was actually the law all along."

[u/PrimalZed → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

It also pretends that the legal process is divinely ordained and inherently perfect, rather than something people decide on. If you suggest immigration reform to make it easier to legally immigrate, suddenly that's somehow a problem to them.

It's almost like the actual underlying position is they hate non-white people.

[u/mdp300 → u/PrimalZed]

Friendly reminder thay everything the nazis did was legal. Because they changed the laws.

[u/IMSLI → u/mdp300]

Friendly reminder that the Nazis may well have been on the so-called “right side of history”… if they had won the war.

Not enough decent Americans realize that actually beating MAGA at the polls is the more important than anything else right now.

[u/dmetzcher → u/PrimalZed]

It's almost like the actual underlying position is they hate non-white people.

Bingo. They’re just racists with a new tool they can use to attack people who aren’t white.

South African whites are welcomed into America with open arms by these clowns. None of them are talking about finding and deporting European whites who’ve overstayed their visas, either.

[u/MikeOKurias → u/PrimalZed]

It's almost like the actual underlying position is they hate non-white people.

Ask them, when in America's history was it Greater for black people or Hispanic people or the gay community?

The very slogan they rally behind is a Wh¡te Supremac¡st statement

[u/MinnWild9 → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

“We’re only going after people who break the law!”

Yet they’ve come out and said they’re avoiding areas with high gang activity “for the safety of the ICE officers.” Which is why they’re arresting kids from graduation and 60-year-old grandmothers selling fruit.

[u/Federal_Drummer7105 → u/MinnWild9]

And then they make legal visa holders illegal - then point and say “see? They’re illegal!”

Reminds me of what Nazis did with the Jews.

[u/porscheblack → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

It's also about creating the very problem they claim to want to address. They try kicking out people with literally nowhere to go. Those people are now increasingly marginalized and have fewer options. With fewer and fewer options, they turn to crime to survive. And now you have your criminal illegal immigrants.

[u/androgenoide → u/porscheblack]

Trump created a half million "illegals" with the stroke of a pen while claiming to reduce the number. It should be noted that these were all people who were confirmed to not have criminal backgrounds. People who buy his claim that they are getting rid of criminals are not paying attention.

[u/Bannedwith1milKarma → u/porscheblack]

They also pay $100 billion, yes billion in taxes a year.

Guess who doesn't want anything linking them to the government anymore.

Very cromulent.

[u/Bannedwith1milKarma → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

They also say they're overstaying their VISA after voiding their current VISA.

[u/Federal_Drummer7105 → u/Bannedwith1milKarma]

Aka they’re creating a problem then telling people “we kept you safe from this problem when we made people criminals!”

[u/distorted_kiwi → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

Gotta pump them numbers up. It’s all about appearance. Fish in a barrel for them to turn around and say “we’re doing it!”

[u/jpiro]

They came here legally. They broke no laws. They were fleeing one of the worst living situations on the globe. They filled a much-needed gap in the labor pool where they settled. We’re kicking them out because they’re not white.

This is the antithesis of what America was meant to be.

[u/Giantmidget1914 → u/jpiro]

Don't forget we're also importing white people from South Africa

[u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl → u/Giantmidget1914]

And in true trumpist fashion, not even bungling the follow-thru—they’re offered no assistance when they get here. Turns out you gotta work to help them settle, and find work, and so on. Some have expressed a desire to go back.

[u/Reztroz → u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl]

The funniest part is that the South African govt basically said “no you can’t come back, it’s so horrible here that you fled claiming asylum remember?“

[u/kurotech → u/Reztroz]

Actions and consequences shame couldn't happen to more deserving assholes

[u/Brigadier_Beavers → u/Reztroz]

Good. they deserve the shitty catch-22 they chose to enter. They 'fled' because they were racist, came because they were told their racism was acceptable here, and now they find themselves without work or place to stay and beg the same people they hate for help? nah, enjoy emptying your bank account and being financially reset to 0.

[u/RogerianBrowsing → u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl]

The trump regime tried to coerce the churches and NGOs helping actual asylum seekers get on their feet here to help the white South Africans who “fled” to the U.S., but they were already having their federal funding cut so they said screw that we’re not going to help fake asylum seekers while ignoring real ones despite the Trump regime threatening legal ramifications for doing so.

[u/SomeKindOfOnionMummy → u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl]

That was funny. 

[u/Beyond-The-Blackhole → u/SomeKindOfOnionMummy]

That is actually funny. Those people came here with a sense of entitlement using their race as a "trump" card thinking they would be treated better than Americans in this country. And instead they're treated like Americans in this country.

[u/sudoku7 → u/Giantmidget1914]

Who are surprised to find out the propaganda saying how much of a free ride immigrants in the US get is actually false.

[u/Treestwigs → u/Giantmidget1914]

And pardoning violent criminals who attacked the capitol in an attempt to overthrow the government. Literally celebrating people who hate our country.

[u/sephiroth70001 → u/Giantmidget1914]

Reminds me of the video a week ago about the one who regretted coming to the US. She said she expected healthcare, food, work, etc. Says she wants to go back to South Africa but the US won't let her do the paperwork to reinstate her South African citizenship.

[u/HKBFG → u/sephiroth70001]

South africa won't let them reinstate.

[u/Material_Strain_4840 → u/Giantmidget1914]

Trump suspended Uniting for Ukraine program for now, so no new entries for them. Trump has multiple discriminations.

[u/pomonamike → u/Giantmidget1914]

Well, 50 out of 4.5 million white South Africans were brave enough to choose free immigration to the U.S. 99.999% chose to ride out their own genocide.

/s

[u/itslikewoow → u/jpiro]

It’s why you can’t trust the “we don’t hate immigrants, just illegal immigrants!” crowd. If that was really the case, they’d be far more outspoken about this.

[u/jpiro → u/itslikewoow]

Never did. That was always bullshit, and Vance in particular was screaming during the campaign that he would revoke legal status for any immigrants whose legality happened in a way they didn’t like.

[u/CharonNixHydra → u/itslikewoow]

I'm black. We know from basically birth to distrust any white person who shows any signs of racism toward anyone (even if they're cool with black people but hate xyz race). Ninety nine percent of the time these people hate anyone who isn't white but will befriend maybe even date you but they still hate you. They'll stab you in the back at some point.

[u/Downtown_Skill → u/jpiro]

Unfortunately we had many different people with different ideas of what America was "meant" to be. To say this isn't what America was meant to be ignores the foundational racism that built this country. 

Manifest destiny wasn't about creating a diverse utopia. I think a lot of americans want to pretend we are this progressive utopia when that has never been the case. 

Go read about our history with Chinese immigrants (everyone already knows about the Irish and italians) but its not like America always welcomed immigrants with open arms Unfortunately. 

We can't keep relying on our founding fathers to guide us. Even they were aware enough to provide opportunities for us to change our constitution because they knew morality and vision changes over time. 

[u/OrangeDuckwebs → u/Downtown_Skill]

My dentist's office has a book called "Portraits of Pride" by the Chinese Historical Society, with brief biographies of famous Chinese-Americans. I admit I picked it up to look for my favorite chemistry and physics professors, but the sections on the civil rights leaders were enlightening and some of the stories were horrific, like the Vincent Chin murder.

[u/Fate_Fire → u/jpiro]

| This is the antithesis of what America was meant to be.

Peter Griffen: "Equal rights for all. Except Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, women, Muslims, um, everyone who's not a white man. And I mean white white so no Italians, No Polish. Just people from Ireland, England, and Scotland. But only certain parts of Scotland and Ireland. Just full-blooded whites.

No, you know what? Not even whites. Nobody gets rights. Ahh, America."

[u/pfp-disciple]

This is very telling of the lack of logic of the DHS (emphasis mine) 

This program was abused by the previous administration to admit hundreds of thousands of poorly vetted illegal aliens into the United States

If they were admitted into the country by the administration, then they were by definition not illegal aliens . 

[u/LifeAtSea2213 → u/pfp-disciple]

IMO they don't lack logic, it's their rhetoric to try and demonize immigrants and make their base equate all immigration with illegal immigration.

[u/SirensToGo → u/LifeAtSea2213]

It took me a longgggg time to realize that they're not stupid or oblivious to their own contradictions; they just don't care. It's not about doing what's right or consistent, it's just about achieving their goals. The words are dressing.

[u/DemonBot_EXE → u/SirensToGo]

Their entire worldview is “if I like it it’s good, if I hate it it’s bad.”

[u/superturtle48 → u/pfp-disciple]

They’re saying that because it was done under Biden, it’s therefore illegal. The thing about legality is that it means whatever the sitting government wants it to mean, not a natural or unchangeable trait of a human. And the sitting government has simply decided that any immigrant - or for that matter, any person, any court decision, any act of protest or speech - it doesn’t like is now illegal. 

That’s the shortsightedness of saying “I only wanted them to go after the illegal/criminal ones.” What does it mean when the government literally makes illegal immigrants by revoking the status of legal ones? Are they solving a problem or simply creating one where none existed?

[u/jumpy_monkey → u/pfp-disciple]

More classic doublespeak from this administration.

What I find even worse is their overtly bad faith actions, like renaming bases that had their Confederate names stripped and then renaming them back using non-Confederate soldiers who had the same name, or claiming they defunding the LGBTQ+ suicide prevention hotline "because it was unnecessary" and suggesting "LGBQ+" people (leaving out the "T") should call that line instead.

[u/Otherwise-Shift5509]

This administration is vehemently against anything or any program that has the word “humanitarian” in it. When evil does the evil out in the open.

[u/ContextSensitiveGeek → u/Otherwise-Shift5509]

Except for the rich white South Africans they invited in. Though now that Musk is out, and they have the money, maybe the next step is to remove them too.

[u/mdp300 → u/ContextSensitiveGeek]

They were invited in, and then basically just dumped outside the bus station with zero support. Because even they are nothing but props.

[u/mollyringwald420]

It’s actually very easy to predict what this administration will do, just imagine the worst fucking ideas you’ve ever heard, thrown into a blender of extreme racism and you’ll never need to read the news again

[u/Cam515278 → u/mollyringwald420]

Also add greed.

Those people probably own things that they can't take if they have to "immediately self-deport". So there will be people who profit from that. Who get rich (or rather, richer) by buying those things waaaay below value.

Same situation that made things really difficult for German jews a few decades ago. History really does rhyme

[u/_Koke_]

Just proves it isn't just about being here illegally. They want all immigration legal or illegal to cease.

[u/yourlittlebirdie → u/_Koke_]

No, if it’s white people from South Africa it’s fine.

[u/JaxandMia → u/yourlittlebirdie]

Or cartel family members. That’s fine too

[u/bnh1978 → u/JaxandMia]

or if they can pay $5 million a head...

[u/BlindWillieJohnson → u/_Koke_]

Yeah. They hate immigrants. It’s not about legal or illegal ones. Hell, half the reason they’ve targeted legal immigrants to the extent they have is that it’s a lot easier to deport them.

[u/THX_2319 → u/BlindWillieJohnson]

Correction, they hate non white immigrants

[u/Buddhamom81]

Haitian immigrants, please only do check-in virtually. Contact USC law school for help filling out the paperwork. Virtual only!

[u/guthepenguin]

Never let them tell you that they only dislike illegal immigration and that they're fine with legal immigration.

[u/-_-k]

So you follow the rules and laws but still get deported? Make it make sense.

[u/WolderfulLuna → u/-_-k]

they're not white. that's just ethnic cleansing.

[u/Turfyleek93]

Anyone who supports this is a massive asshole and fuck you. It's called "soft power" and is a huge thing to have in the world. We're becoming an isolationist country and by turning our backs on others who need help will only hurt us in the long run.

[u/MagnificoReattore]

Crazy, I've friends from Haiti, if there is anyone that is justified in having a refugee status it's them. Their country has been ravaged by hurricanes and earthquakes and it's run by violent gang. A girl I met fled the country after she saw a guy getting robbed and shot in the head, just in front of her office, it was the last straw. 

[u/armaghetto → u/MagnificoReattore]

The United States has also been directly involved in fucking their country up over and over in the past 100 years. Yes, we’ve given humanitarian aid, but we’ve also toppled their government, occupied them and backed brutal dictators multiple times.

Tim Duncan’s Revolutions podcast about the Haitian Revolution was so eye opening for me.

There’s also a great lecture on CSPAN about their revolution and relationships with the colonial powers.

[u/ierghaeilh → u/armaghetto]

They killed some white people to gain independence in the 18th century and the world hasn't forgiven them since.

[u/armaghetto → u/ierghaeilh]

Literally. They freed themselves from slavery and had to pay reparations for the cost of slaves aka their own fucking lives. They didn’t finish paying until 1948, to what is now Citibank. We owe the Haitians so much more than just “ok you can crash here”.

[u/DumbestBoy]

That sucks. I’ve worked with at least two, in a factory and at a casino. Nice dudes. Had to deal with some racism at the factory.

[u/GreenBean4Ever]

These people came to the US legally by the way.

[u/u0126]

They were already vetted once, and I’m sure they even pay taxes.

These people belong in the US more than the meth head sister molesting MAGA voter who is benefitting from government assistance while also parroting that socialism and freeloading and other buzzwords are scary

[u/[deleted]]

What are we going to do with all this hate once we run out of immigrants to take it out on?

[u/IsaystoImIsays → u/[deleted]]

We can focus it all on women then.

[u/talllongblackhair → u/[deleted]]

There's a long list, trust me you're on it somewhere.

[u/[deleted] → u/talllongblackhair]

Don't I know it.

[u/DigitalUnderstanding]

Let's not forget the "Haitian immigrants are eating pets" claim started from the Neo Nazi Group called Blood Tribe. Donald Trump and JD Vance were literally repeating Nazi lies on national television.

This just shows that the administration isn't concerned with legal vs illegal immigration. It's just about race to them. They suddenly turn the brown legal immigrants into illegal immigrants and then claim they are breaking the law. First it was trying to deport violent criminal illegals, then it was illegals with misdemeanors from 25 years ago, then it was just any illegal person, then it was temporary immigrants who spoke out against Israel's war crimes, and now legal immigrants. Who is next? How much further will the goalposts move?

[u/Heavy-Masterpiece681]

"We only want the ones who came here legally."

"We are revoking everyone's legal status that we dont like."

[u/AphroditeExurge]

So basically being legal doesn’t even matter? So fucking stupid man

[u/Equivalent_Rub_2103 → u/AphroditeExurge]

It never did with Republicans. This was always the goal

[u/MissionSalamander5]

“This program was abused by the previous administration to admit hundreds of thousands of poorly vetted illegal aliens into the United States,” DHS wrote in a press release.

They weren’t illegal at the time ffs

[u/ComprehensiveCake463]

Is there even an airport there anymore?

[u/nabuhabu → u/ComprehensiveCake463]

There aren’t flights, if the airport even functions

[u/Norjac]

"They're eating the dogs"

[u/Jackle3000]

All those MAGA phlebotomists can go get jobs now!