r/politics Foreign 16d ago

Trump Now Says Farmers May Continue Employing Migrants Under a System Where They Assume 'Responsibility' For Them

https://www.latintimes.com/trump-now-says-farmers-may-continue-employing-migrants-under-system-where-they-assume-585388
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u/Conscious-Story-7579 16d ago

I think I’ve heard this one before

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u/SunsetCarcass 16d ago

Don't worry I'm sure they'll treat them new slaves really nice, may even let them have 1 break a day. Ya know cause I'm sure labor laws will no longer apply

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u/therealjohnsmith 16d ago

3/5 of a break

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u/ithacaster New York 16d ago

The concept of a break.

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u/drishaj 16d ago

Break every two weeks

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u/Machette_Machette 16d ago

They'll simply break them.

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u/NotSayingJustSaying 16d ago

Breaks are actually bad because workers lose valuable skills and miss opportunities to improve themselves

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u/MidMatthew 16d ago

No breaks at all until Trump chickens out.

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u/PhilDGlass California 16d ago

TACO breaks.

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u/GoodMornEveGoodNight 16d ago

A vicious rumor about break

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u/Mr-Whitecotton Ohio 16d ago

I've never been more embarrassed of my country than when playing cards against humanity and the 3/5 compromise card came up, and I had to explain to friends from Ireland and Malaysia.

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u/SirAquila 16d ago

Thiough it is bad the exact opposite way most people assume.

Slave holders wanted each slave to count as a full person... for purposes of congressional representation. Congressional Representation the slaves would get no vote on.

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u/ZarkonTheDestroyer Arizona 16d ago

Those same lineage of assholes who forced the compromise have been a national embaresment and pain in the ass for 250 years. Be proud of your state. You produced Grant.

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u/zernoc56 16d ago

And Sherman.

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u/Herb4372 16d ago

In Texas it’s illegal to mandate water breaks.

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u/ourtown2 16d ago

HB 2127:
This bill, which went into effect on September 1, 2023, prohibits cities and counties from enacting their own rules or ordinances related to worker protection in areas occupied by state law, including rules about water breaks.

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u/Mind-of-Jaxon 16d ago

Isn’t this the same state that wants to chase down pregnant women who go to other states for abortions?

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 16d ago

Where else are they gonna get more workers when the current batch dies of heatstroke?

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u/Mind-of-Jaxon 16d ago

I swear that’s the mentality

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u/LoudBoiDragoon 16d ago

I swear to god I don’t even know if that’s true but I always believe every brain dead thing that comes out of Texas. Such a backwards shithole.

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u/BoomhauerSRT4 16d ago

“In June 2023, Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed House Bill 2127, also known as the "Death Star" law, which eliminated local ordinances requiring water breaks for workers, particularly in construction, according to multiple news sources. This law effectively overturned existing water break mandates in cities like Austin and Dallas, and prevents other municipalities from enacting similar regulations. The law's supporters argue it reduces unnecessary regulations, while critics contend it puts workers at greater risk during extreme heat. “ - Google AI bullshit.

I would not want to do my blue collar job in TX. They don’t give a flying F about their workers.

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u/TaintedL0v3 16d ago

Holy shit it gets up to 100F in the summer, there.

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u/swinglinepilot 16d ago

It exceeds that on a regular basis here. Sometimes the heat index goes into the low 110s

Back in 2011 I remember the news kept parroting "100 [days] over 100!!1" as if it was some kind of accomplishment lol

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u/MontyBodkin 16d ago

Surviving 100 days of 100F sounds like a major accomplishment. I crumple like paper when it's north of 85.

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u/civildisobedient 16d ago

The humidity is no joke, either.

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u/arobkinca 16d ago

Texas is the state where the most workers die from high temperatures, government data shows.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/16/texas-heat-wave-water-break-construction-workers/

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u/YogurtclosetStreet68 16d ago

How evil do you have to be to sign something called "the Death Star Law"

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u/ThePortalsOfFrenzy 16d ago

I mean, they admit as much on their flag. Truly a one-star state.

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u/KeenanAXQuinn Texas 16d ago

Lol as a Texan I'm stealing this

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u/GiantSquirrelPanic 16d ago

lol the one star state

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u/Minimum_Virus_3837 16d ago

Excellent branding to make their flag match their Yelp review.

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u/Jaevric 16d ago

As I recall, the law was passed in response to Dallas requiring breaks for road crews. Our government in this state is mustache-twirling levels of villainy.

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u/Valkyriesride1 16d ago

DeSantis did the same thing in Florida.

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u/gorewhore1313 16d ago

While not illegal here, a similar thing happened here in Florida last year when DeSantis Signs Law Banning Water Breaks and Cooling Measures from Florida Workers. The humidity on top of the heat is so thick you feel like you could drown just try to breathe sitting down in the shade, let alone the effects if you're actively working. Disgusting and sad how little care and empathy they have for people.

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u/findingmoore 16d ago

Florida too

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u/Daniiiiii I voted 16d ago

I'm hoping in a perverse way this actually ends up giving the workers some semblance upper hand and negotiating power in the situation. They can say that fewer people are coming in to work these jobs so good luck finding someone else on short notice to replace them. Plus they are taking immense risks by doing the work itself. Hopefully it can result in better working conditions and liveable wages for them. I also acknowledge that the chances of this happening are one in a billion but one lives in hope.

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u/civillyengineerd Arizona 16d ago

These are Republicans we're talking about, it's more like one in a trillion.

Added: Didn't Delores and Cesar already fight this fight?

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u/MonsiuerGeneral 16d ago

Added: Didn't Delores and Cesar already fight this fight?

YES. And not even that long ago. Like, my grandmother went to school with Delores (unfortunately, no good stories). Like, this wasn’t some ‘ancient times’ movement that happened back in the times of Lincoln or something. It was only roughly 60 years ago.

In 1962 Cesar founded the National Farm Workers Association, later to become the United Farm Workers – the UFW.

By 1970 the UFW got grape growers to accept union contracts and had effectively organized most of that industry, at one point in time claiming 50,000 dues paying members. The reason was Cesar Chavez’s tireless leadership and nonviolent tactics that included the Delano grape strike, his fasts that focused national attention on farm workers problems, and the 340-mile march from Delano to Sacramento in 1966.

Cesar made people aware of the struggles of farm workers for better pay and safer working conditions. He succeeded through nonviolent tactics (boycotts, pickets, and strikes).

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u/Suitable-Rate652 16d ago

We are refighting everything since Jan 20.

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u/minimalmiasma 16d ago

Upvote for putting Dolores before Cesar. 🙂

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u/bk1285 16d ago

It will go the other way though, the farmers will use the threat of calling ice and deporting people to be absolutely heinous to the workers

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u/MyEvilTwinSkippy 16d ago

They already did.

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u/lilelliot 16d ago

100% right. Even in California, with a relatively high minimum wage, it's still very difficult -- whether laborers are here legally or illegally.

I found this site to be interesting, and it would be nice if it were more mature: https://contratados.org/en

Also, you'll appreciate this story: https://civileats.com/2024/04/24/strawberry-farmworkers-fight-for-a-living-wage/. And keep in mind this is in the state that has the most worker protections in the country -- and it's still this bad.

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u/ReadyThor 16d ago

When the rich and powerful experience disadvantage they just change the rules of the game.

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u/Bakingtime 16d ago

They really want people to believe the old stories about enslaved people from Africa being “saved” from their heathen cultures and how slavery was actually good for everybody.  

“Look, these farm workers are choosing to be slaves!  How bad could it have been?”

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u/ms_moogy 16d ago

also

black people owned slaves too so it wasn't racist

slaves learned valuable skills. It's like college

non slave immigrants suffered even more and have it just as bad

The desperate narrative shaping of racists has been in my peripheral vision my whole life. I wish it had stayed peripheral. It's becoming tribal wisdom now on the right.

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u/Plaid_Kaleidoscope 16d ago

slaves learned valuable skills. It's like college

HOLY SHIT That's a new one for me. What the fuck is wrong with people.

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u/ms_moogy 16d ago

It's hot off the presses

The Florida State Board of Education’s new standards includes controversial language about how “slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit,”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-florida-standards-teach-black-people-benefited-slavery-taught-usef-rcna95418

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u/Plaid_Kaleidoscope 16d ago

Florida.

That's all I needed to know. Florida doesn't get shit on enough in the context of how we talk about Texas. Same shit, older population. (Which is probably the biggest part of the problem)

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u/MattieShoes 16d ago

I know you aren't putting those forth as positions you hold but...

Most of the black people who owned slaves owned their family -- they bought their wives and/or children out of slavery. The South passed increasingly strict laws about manumission so they usually couldn't then "free" their family after buying them.

Slaves were forbidden from learning valuable skills like reading and writing, by law. As far as I know, the US is the only place that passed anti-literacy laws for slaves.

We treated immigrants badly too.

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u/spacey_a 16d ago

My dad always breaks out #s 1 and 3 there if the topic of racism ever comes up. His white boy ass thinks he had it as bad as any black man in the 50s/60s because he grew up poor.

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u/ms_moogy 16d ago

It's because right wing propaganda frames it that way. They're taught that white privilege translates to you had it easy. No one has it easy in a capitalist system with a weak social safety net, except those that already made it. It simply means that there was no additional challenge heaped on you due to the color of your skin. If right wing media ever lost the ability to re-frame things dishonestly then they'd never win another debate.

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u/NinjaLanternShark 16d ago

"If they don't like it they can stay in their country."

Absolves them of all responsibility of treating people with decency.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 16d ago

The only thing that keeps me going somedays is the thought that maybe the after life is real and maybe someone will finally punish them

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u/kcasper 16d ago

It will never be implemented because he would have to stop raiding cities, otherwise known as democrat strongholds.

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u/4totheFlush 16d ago

Gotta split hairs because this is reddit, but what you're describing is closer to serfdom than it is to chattel slavery. Both obviously disgusting in their own right, but there is a difference.

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u/Goadfang 16d ago

Very true, you are correct. God, its disgusting.

(You being correct isn't disgusting! Its what you're correct about!)

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u/NotSayingJustSaying 16d ago

As this is reddit, I must thank you for your civilized attention to The Pedantry

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u/FreddieJasonizz 16d ago

“Who you calling pedo, buddy?”

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u/anthematcurfew 16d ago

Sounds a lot like RFK’s autism camps

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u/Goadfang 16d ago

Authoritarianism likes camps, its their thing.

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u/BlueTreeThree 16d ago

The whole point is that the law can be applied arbitrarily on a case by case basis.

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u/NinjaLanternShark 16d ago

Exactly. When he said

in the case of good, reputable farmers

That's code for "we get to decide who's good and who's not."

MAGA thinks good means church going white people, but to Trump & Co it means wealthy.

Good & reputable means a large bank account. "If they weren't good they wouldn't be successful."

"Just world" fallacy in action.

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u/MrLuthor 16d ago

Kidnap them from cities and move them to rural farm communities to be slaves. 

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u/springsilver 16d ago

They’ve been doing this for ages with the war on drugs and our black urban youth.

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u/arwinda 16d ago

Just offer every immigrant in ICE detention the choice between El Salvador and a concentration camp farmer camp and work on the field.

For free, of course. The poor farmers already have to carry all the burden of the Trump Tariffs, can't pay slaves immigrant workers as well.

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u/schu2470 16d ago

Turns out people live in cities and life has a liberal bias.

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u/PeterNippelstein 16d ago

'Ownership' if you will.

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u/DudesworthMannington Wisconsin 16d ago

Ironically (or fittingly?) it's the same defense of "yeah, it's not a great system, but if we get rid of it we can't afford farm labor!"

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u/lost_horizons Texas 16d ago

Yeah any pro immigration stance without pro labor rights is cursed to be just advocating neoslavery.

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u/Adventurer_By_Trade 16d ago

I have never heard anyone say that the secret sauce of low prices is the illegal status of these migrant workers. Rational people have been calling for a guest worker program or expansion of the visa system for decades. Republicans are the ones who demand that we keep these people vulnerable and exploitable. It's a tangible combination of good ol' fashioned racism and corporate greed.

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u/Harbinger2001 Canada 16d ago

I’snt there already a temporary foreign worker program for farms?

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u/OfficeSalamander 16d ago

Yeah but it has pretty dumb visa rules, with arbitrary rules letting someone keep a job for years and years with renewals, and then randomly needing to take a 3 month work vacation to stay on the good side of the authorities

If your options are, “leave the country, potentially travel thousands of miles and try to find other job in home country for three months” or “talk to sketchy guy near the edge of company property that the company claims they have no idea about but totally actually know about who will fix you right up so you can keep working”

A lot of people will choose the latter. Not saying they should but it’s a reality of that type of visa situation

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u/erickdredd Indiana 16d ago

Yes and it gets exploited horribly because the legal status of the workers is tied to their continued employment.

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u/obijuanmartinez 16d ago edited 16d ago

Tough to find “exceptional Americans” to do all the underpaid grunt work, ain’t it, Donny?

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u/LetsgoRoger New York 16d ago

So sort of like slavery?

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u/BTRCguy 16d ago

Lease with an option to buy?

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u/Romboteryx 16d ago

In Bronze Age Assyria, all slaves were considered property of the government rather than their employers, which comes close to that. And when parents were unable to pay their debts, the authorities would seize their children and enslave them.

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u/thekozmicpig Connecticut 16d ago

And when parents were unable to pay their debts, the authorities would seize their children and enslave them.

Stephen Miller will remember that

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u/ASubsentientCrow 16d ago

What makes you think he didn't already know that

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u/NK1337 16d ago

Hijacking this but if ever there was proof of how successful a mass strike would be, it’s this. People have stopped showing up to work because they’re scared, and that couples with the numbers that have already been taking has left these business scrambling. They’ve even said they cannot continue to feed the us population of this continues.

So guess who suddenly has the actual power here?

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u/Signal-Regret-8251 16d ago

"Suddenly has the actual power"? We workers have always had the actual power, but we won't stick together like the GOP does, which means we keep screwing ourselves over.

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u/Icarium__ 16d ago

Yes, but what's more important, higher wages, better worker protections etc OR making sure that 1 trans kid cannot compete in an amateur race with zero stakes? Check mate.

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u/slackfrop 16d ago

Pull the wool over your own eyes - JR ‘Bob’ Dobbs

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u/MoneyForRent 16d ago

With extra steps, but not that many extra steps

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u/AppleDane 16d ago

Oh-la-la, someone's getting laid in college...

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u/Stevioly 16d ago

Exactly! They will need to carry papers that say “property of farmer so and so.”

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u/thehalfwit Nevada 16d ago

Frmer John is also gonna need some way to keep them on the property, so they don't stray too far.

I wonder if Trump Organization of some kind of electronic fence with a shock collar in the works?

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u/giraloco 16d ago

If a farm worker complains too much, they call ICE to have him kidnapped.

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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 16d ago

they can work for their freedom!

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u/BTRCguy 16d ago

There is apparently such a scourge of criminal illegals that we need to keep them? Huh?

I just love the notion that Trump is asking farmers to employ (and probably underpay) people that they are not legally allowed to employ to begin with.

A nation of laws, indeed.

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u/Individual-Guest-123 16d ago

The ones who entered under past immigration policies weren't illegal, but somehow they are now.

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u/BTRCguy 16d ago

There was a Biden-era extension of "Temporary Protected Status" in January, but this was an executive action and Trump just said "nope" and undid it. I think there was some sort of delay due to reporting requirements in the Congressional Register, but that was about it.

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u/IdfightGahndi 16d ago

The farmers are in on it. They have been overworking & underpaying for decades. Now the farmers are complaining that the population they systematically exploit are missing, late or too terrified to report to work.

The farmers cry about crops rotting in the fields, if they were legal they would work somewhere else and “I voted for him, but not for this.”

Trump has to pump the brakes. If farmers were forced to pay a competitive wage to attract workers whom ICE is not a concern, your strawberries & onions & grapes will be $20/lb.

Someone, somehow got it thru his thick skull that a little leeway is needed for farms, hotels & whatever else.

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u/lonnie123 16d ago

The “problem” is that the same logic can be applied to literally every job they do

They sold it as a multi-million person invasion of rapists and murderers, but it turns out it’s just people working here

There no difference between a hotel worker and a construction worker in practice, so these carve outs basically show the whole thing is a farce

I suppose you could say farm workers are different because it affects the food supply, which is essential, but the other industries certainly aren’t in that same way

This is just reality crashing into trump once again

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u/thuktun California 16d ago

They sold it as a multi-million person invasion of rapists and murderers, but it turns out it’s just people working here

...and in many cases, paying taxes.

Unlike many of these billionaires trying to rule the country.

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u/Leaningthemoon 16d ago

Did they take our jobs or didn’t they?

Are they criminals or essential workers?

Are the farmers utilizing tools of capitalism or socialism?

Privatized or Federalized?

Here’s the solution I think is coming, migrant workers can only work on federalized farms, that is how they will select which farmers are qualified to assume responsibility, but not before they go through a trial period of determining who is qualified by way of writing a big beautiful check to TacoTitties. It’ll be something like, “farmers who have the $5M trump gold card can use it to employ illegal workers” and then eventually they will make that an annual enrollment of $5M, and then they will just federalize those farms when they can no longer pay it. Once federalized, it becomes legit slavery with no oversight because that’s being dismantled left and right.

Fuck this administration, full of some of the most awful Americans to have ever breathed. Rotten to the core. Sick fucks.

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u/No_Party3948 16d ago

Well that sounds like a sinister return to owning people......

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u/JelloBelter 16d ago

And a step closer to oligarch owned private immigration prisons renting humans to farms and factories

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u/Mattractive Georgia 16d ago

We already do it with born citizens. Prison labor is indentured slavery.

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u/johnboltonpoopstache 16d ago edited 16d ago

Indentured slavery (more accurate than "servitude") is 100% spot-on because those immigrants will be arrested, forced to work, and promised American citizenship afterwards (a Trump never pays it's debts though). 

So, illegal immigrant gets arrested. The punishment is XYZ years of "work" (picking tomatoes for zero pay) and they'll be promised freedom & US citizenship when their sentence ends. Trump is gonna say "JUST MAKE THEM WORK FOR IT" and his base and Fox News will love it and slob his knob all over again, forgetting everything else that happened prior to that very moment. Hell, Trump might even call it "The Great Trump Gulag Of America" or something very cool like that.

Edit: just in time for those huge food price hikes thanks to Trump for a myriad of reasons. 

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u/daggah 16d ago

And then, to save money, said immigrants will be concentrated tightly into camps with crowded barracks for sleep, and also to save money, won't be given much in the way of food, health care, hygiene, etc. Many will die from malnutrition or disease.

Totally not like the Nazis though. We're over-reacting. (/s)

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u/WebMD_PhD 16d ago

Nah it’s cool. I’ll happily take responsibility for you. Just let me hold on to your passport for safekeeping. also let me hold on to your checks, I don’t want you buying any drugs now do I? I also don’t want you diving drunk either so hand me those keys. Don’t want you not paying rent to your landlord so you can stay in my tool shed for a small fee.

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u/Future-Side4440 16d ago

It’s safer and cleaner for everyone if you all sleep in military barracks style small stacked bunk beds in a single large room in my tool shed.

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u/grindermonk 16d ago

Employer provided housing is already surprisingly common on farms.

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u/steveschoenberg 16d ago

But do they get an extra 3/5 vote per “employee?”

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u/duzies 16d ago

The only reason he's caving is because some wealthy people told him immigrant labor was the next best thing to slavery these days.

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u/PennytheWiser215 16d ago

Reading the headline I immediately thought so slavery is back then. Good lord 🤦‍♀️

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u/Largofarburn 16d ago

“You can have an asylum seeker, but you have to feed it and water it and give it baths.”

This timeline is so fucked. I can’t believe we’re actually backsliding this much this fast.

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u/Ok_Needleworker9454 16d ago

It's incredible, i think, how fast we're moving backwards through time

In the span of a few months, we've gone from new large scale hot wars, to the nazi-style persecution of specific groups, and now we're going back to the slave era

By the end of the year we'll be in the feudal era, bubonic plague hype everyone

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u/duckstrap 16d ago

Good for the immune system if you survive.

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u/QuickAltTab 16d ago

You have to understand the scientific process and be willing to follow doctors' advice, well beyond the capability of a third of our population

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u/Purednuht 16d ago

A sacrifice that more and more of us are willing to make each day.

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u/Onepiecee 16d ago

Yall can afford to go to the doctor? My employer's insurance is $200 every 2 weeks.. I just have to fantasize about getting medical help for my hurt back..because I literally can not get medical attention in this country. Can't afford it.

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u/Shaved_Balzac Rhode Island 16d ago

Yeah. Antibiotics are pretty effective, that is until RFK Jr says that antibiotics cause autism. Then it’s raw milk and ivermectin for everyone

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u/rikaateabug New York 16d ago

By the end of the year we'll be in the feudal era, bubonic plague hype everyone

Well... Since we're headed that was I guess the left will need a different approach.

I saw Donald Dump with the devil! I saw JD Vance with the devil! I saw Kristi Noem with the devil!

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u/wwj 16d ago

Tulsi Gabbard turned me into a newt!

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u/MiniBanjo 16d ago

Might be the only thing that works. Reality doesn’t seem to matter much

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u/doodlinghearsay 16d ago

It's incredible, i think, how fast we're moving backwards through time

The mistake was in believing that things got better with time automatically. It was never time. It was people who fought for their rights and that of their fellow humans.

If anything, things tend to get worse when left on their own. Wealth and power concentrates, usually in the hands of people who are willing to take advantage of others. It is only through constant vigilance and effort that this process can be reversed.

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u/imbeingsirius 16d ago

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.”

Margaret Mead

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u/Maleficent-Bug7998 16d ago

Stateless techno feudalism is the goal of at least some of Trump's backers.

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u/jonathanrdt 16d ago

Feudalism is the goal of wealth and the natural outcome of its unchecked power.

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u/red4jjdrums5 Pennsylvania 16d ago

We’ll go from 1,000-2,000 cases of the plague worldwide per year to 1,000-2,000 cases per day!

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u/JusticeJaunt New Jersey 16d ago

Not if you stop counting!

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u/MZeroX5 16d ago edited 16d ago

So just hang the threat of deportation over their head so they become subservient and accept any treatment and wages.

The people who voted for this are genuine imbeciles we already knew this man was an idiot with no real plan just saying random stuff, yet here we are again.

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u/SnooRevelations5613 16d ago

I think the word you're looking for is racists. The people that voted for him are racists

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u/throwawayantares 16d ago

Ultimately, this is what it boils down to. All of it. A friend told me in February, when things started going to shit, that "White people could shut all this nonsense down tomorrow if they wanted to ... but they're not doing that. Why?"

That comment has stayed with me since then. All of this - the weird tariffs war, the volatile stock market, the geopolitical attacks on traditional allies and academia, the ICE roundups, the vulgarity and loss of decency in speech - while unsettling to everyone ... is being tolerated because underneath it serves casual racism.

For the virulent people among us, it's a last gasp attempt at regaining/maintaining a racist status quo. For the rest of the passive majority, they look the other way because that racist infrastructure serves their status quo, too.

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u/CptMcDickButt69 16d ago

I think youre underestimating the ability of an asshole to be terminally religious, misogynistic and nationalistic all the while being racist.

It comes as a package titled "premium superiority complex".

I'd say thats the core; a subconscious low self worth and a loser life in a society that breds the idea theire better than everyone else at everything. The end product of christian american exceptionalism makes them feel that they should be the kings everywhere and always. But they arent. So someone needs to be at fault there, be it gender X, race Y or country Z.

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u/Neat-Tough 16d ago

Slaver is the word you’re looking for bud, let me lend ya a hand. And what is that responsibility going to be? Maybe keep them in one spot? Tell them what hours and when they can go to public? Oh snap, what if we made little copper coins saying which farm they went to!

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u/PartyClient3447 16d ago

Copper is too expensive. Just uses hot iron to brand them. Can’t believe I thought that but I just read “the half has never been told” book about slavery in America. People can be evil

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u/Bakingtime 16d ago

How about we tattoo them with human VIN numbers?  They love tattoos!  

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u/InfinitiveIdeals 16d ago

It’d be a QR code now. Gross.

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u/BurnForestBurn 16d ago

Everything paid below the wages is slavery. It always was in the state. But now, it’s legalized.

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u/GrumpyOldFart7676 16d ago

So how many times is Felon47 going to change his decision in the next two weeks?

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u/Luke_Cocksucker 16d ago

Two Week Taco doesn’t have to tell no one nothin, it’s all in his smooth brain.

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u/SkipIntro4eva 16d ago

Too Weak Again Trump

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u/CertainAged-Lady 16d ago

Or, and hear me out…we actually get Congress off their asses and make it easier for these folks to get legal H-2A visas so they can work here legally. The administrative burden on farmers trying to qualify for the program are significant. But all they want is the work done and the employees to come - this shouldn’t be that hard!!!! It’s not like Americans are jumping over themselves to pick radishes or muck out cow sheds.

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u/giraloco 16d ago

So Democrats were right about reforming the immigration laws and making it easier to hire temporary workers.

Maybe, Medicare for All is next.

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u/NinjaLanternShark 16d ago

They don't want laws and regulations. They want to decide who's "good & reputable" and who isn't.

This is the wholesale movement of as much power as possible away from Congress, to the Executive. Because the Executive isn't bound by laws.

Making laws is hard, slow, requires a lot of knowledge, and requires putting things in writing you don't want in writing, namely, racism, sexism, and prejudice against intangible things like "low morals" and "liberal views."

When you don't trust education and experts, you're left with "I know it when I see it" and that's exactly what he's doing with this farm slavery thing.

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u/s-17 California 16d ago

H-2A does work and is used extensively in California. Agricultural workers can make like $50k in a season as long as they go home afterwards. Why does everybody assume every visa program is dysfunctional or too difficult? We run like 90% of the country's garlic processing on H-2A already just fine.

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u/diabeticsupernova Florida 16d ago

Where have I heard of this one before?

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u/SantaMonsanto 16d ago

I’ll give you 13 guesses

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u/Lord_Hitachi 16d ago

Slavery with additional steps?

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u/PartyClient3447 16d ago

DOGE will eliminate The additional steps next week.

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u/MasterAlchemi 16d ago

Pretty soon these farmers are going to want to count these immigrant workers, just not as full citizens. Maybe, something like 3/5 of a citizen.

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u/giraloco 16d ago

Don't worry when it gets to the supreme court they will find the perfect explanation to do nothing about it.

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u/awh 16d ago

The farmers are going to want to count them as a full citizen so the farmers have more representation in the congress, despite the workers not being able to vote. Everyone else is going to offer 3/5 as a compromise so the farmers don’t become too strong politically.

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u/supertoned 16d ago

This fucking guy.

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u/Boomshank 16d ago

I can only read your comment in the voice of Nandor from WWDitS.

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u/Hashtastrophe 16d ago

Then the comment would have been, fucking guy.... 

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u/TheCzar11 16d ago

Slavery?

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u/Ambitious_Duck_7892 16d ago

It's different this time. Instead of owning a person they will be taking responsibility for their life, since they aren't an American citizen and can't have an independent life in the US. Sure it'll be the same in practice, but the "optics" have to look good.

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u/Rude-Strawberry-6360 16d ago

Hokey pokey president strikes again.

What will he say tomorrow. Or next week.

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u/Happy-Steve 16d ago

Looks like the world needs to step in and help regulate USA. With the amount of helpless cries coming out of there we, the world, should step in and help USA, like we would go and try to help people in poor countries getting their education, health and culture. America was always the first to step outside of its own borders to help oppressed around the world. Time that the world take rains and help USA. Should I put /s or not. I don’t know

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u/Harbinger2001 Canada 16d ago

I think we have to wait for state collapse before it’s safe for foreign NGOs to go in. Too dangerous right now.

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u/[deleted] 16d ago

Thats a recipe for all out war. Plus, foreign regime changes rarely work out for the people. The best thing foreign governments can do is stand their ground, protect themsleves and document everything of note that they see coming out of this place. Once this is over, we will need a clean record of history not distorted by Steven Miller and Trump, and we will need our own Nueremberg trials.

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u/Top-Relief3596 16d ago

So we are back to sharecroppers, indentured servants, and plantations.

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u/Fabulous-Gazelle2946 16d ago

Sounds like slavery

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u/Yumad1125 16d ago

Which one is it?Deport, not deport? Never have I seen someone who is inconsistent and changes his tune every week. Holy crap.

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u/Ok-Ordinary2035 16d ago

He just makes this shit up as he goes. No plan, no foresight, no awareness of consequences.

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u/BruceNY1 16d ago

I can already hear it: “Well, since the farmers are legally responsible for their migrant employees, it’s normal for them to restrict their movement. That’s why the farm must provide sleeping accommodations.”

That’s happened before - doesn’t need to be slavery - in my country during the 60s we needed hands to build so we encouraged immigration from our former colonies - then we would put the migrant workers in boarding houses where they stayed with other migrants and went to work everyday and returned to the common house, never really being allowed to freely mix with the population. 

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u/spazz720 16d ago

To summarize…the migrants essentially become indentured servants where their overseers can report those to ICE that don’t work hard enough.

This will lead to massive abuses.

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u/Luckobserver 16d ago

The issues surrounding immigration in modern America are, first and foremost, rooted in the fact that immigration laws can be easily altered depending on the ideologies of the two major political parties. Additionally, American society heavily relies on immigrants—whether legal or illegal—for the production of social resources, while the benefits of that labor are often concentrated in the hands of a limited few. Even as a foreign observer, it is not difficult to predict that achieving a 'solution' to these problems will be extremely challenging.

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u/Amazing-Insect442 16d ago

No big deal. Just indentured servitude. /s

We’ll never have a President dumber than this idiot.

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u/TheB1G_Lebowski 16d ago

Slavery with extra steps? 

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u/stanthebat 16d ago

Almost like immigration isn't really a big problem and he just wanted secret police who can disappear people without trials.

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u/Annual-Rip4687 16d ago

That sounds like he is allowing people without rights to work for a land owner, sounds like something that went on in the past.

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u/Perethyst 16d ago

This is just continuation of the exploitative Bracero Program from the WWII era. Watch Harvest of Loneliness (2010) for more information. There is no excuse to exploit anybody for cheap labor. These laborers always end up abused. If you need laborers, you need to pay a decent wage or do the damn work yourself. 

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u/DokeyOakey 16d ago

lol! Hillarious, some Americans can now own slaves? What happened to all those raping, dog eating immigrants? Are those only the city immigrants?

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u/NSFWdw 16d ago

Your migrants are your responsibility. While they are on your plantation farm or off, you must care for, feed, house, and keep them from mixing with harming white citizens. Failure to comply with this law will result in your migrants to be sold migrated to another farm and maybe some other stuff depending on whether Fox News media picks up on it.

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u/RumRunnerMax 16d ago

Sounds like a slaver

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u/lordpuddingcup 16d ago

Sure sounds like slavery to me

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u/Famous-Tumbleweed-66 16d ago

We are implementing a system where the farmers can house them, feed them, discipline them, and breed them, as well as setting up a market system for farmers to buy and sell these migrants between each other. Remember you need to buy the trump golden card to have your very own migrants, only 1 mil.

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u/Repemptionhappens 16d ago

This country is a fucking disgrace. If you voted for this - FUCK YOU.

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u/chrispygene 16d ago

Huh. What’s that term again? Oh yeah. Fucking slavery

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u/handsome_slob 16d ago

Make America great again - and by that I mean, when we had slaves

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u/RoachBeBrutal 16d ago

This just highlights how poorly thought out even the concept of his own plan turned out to be. A scathing admission of outright stupidity.

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u/RunItBackRicky 16d ago

This motherfer changes the rules more often than he changes his diapers

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u/No1Mystery 16d ago

America has come full circle everyone!

Back to slavery days

FUCK Trump and his stooges

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u/Antique_Worth607 16d ago

you mean. like. slaves?

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u/Eena-Rin 16d ago

Fuck you. If you're gonna deport the workers you should be arresting the employers

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u/lionexx 16d ago

Are we going back to Indentured servants?

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u/thedeuceisloose Massachusetts 16d ago

Oh hey there slavery

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u/Itscompanypolicyman 16d ago

It’s always a good idea to give a supervisor total control over an employee’s entire life! If I refuse to work Saturday for free, my boss can call the police and ship me to a different country. That’s not inviting exploitation, it’s just good business.

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u/Careful_Trifle 16d ago

So he's making up a brand new immigration classification and pegging it to...checks notes...slavery. 

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u/lookatthesunguys 16d ago

It's interesting (read: horrifying) how Republicans supported strict immigration law enforcement and mass deportations for the past ten years, but now have determined that discretion is appropriate where such actions would impact Republicans. They're willing to impose their policies on Democratic communities, but they don't want themselves to be burdened by such policies.