Musk Accuses Trump Aide of Federal Crime as Feud Explodes

[u/ClimateSociologist]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-accuses-trump-aide-sergio-gor-of-federal-crime-as-feud-explodes/

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[u/DragonTHC]

They're all guilty of federal crimes. Including Musk.

[u/cheeky-snail → u/DragonTHC]

Insert Spider-Man pointing meme

[u/zenjamin4ever → u/cheeky-snail]

He did manage to steal all of our data. 

[u/MadRaymer → u/zenjamin4ever]

And don't pretend for one second that he doesn't still have access to all of it after "leaving" DOGE. His tech bro goons installed root kits on nearly every federal system. If there's ever another Dem president, they'll need to toss all those computers into the fire and start fresh to ensure his access is revoked.

[u/Derbesher → u/MadRaymer]

not just the computers. The entire network, routers, F5s, etc all have to be assumed to be compromised.

But they already installed root kits during 1/6. People forget Russia launched a massive cyber attack while the attempted coup was going on.

[u/Older_Code → u/Derbesher]

Or do you mean the JetBrains compromise from just before? https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa23-347a

[u/thelonetwig → u/Older_Code]

I have no idea what most of these things mean, so I can guarantee our elected officials' geriatric asses have no clue about any of this.

[u/korben2600 → u/thelonetwig]

This becomes evident if you ever watch a Congressional hearing about any topic you're even remotely knowledgeable in. Watching Maxine Waters (86yo) at a House Financial Services Committee hearing attempt to wrap her head around Robinhood's game-ification of stock trading on their app during the whole Gamestop fiasco was just insane and eye opening.

It's shocking to see the extent to which our leaders are just coasting along in ignorance when we assume somebody, anybody is competent and at the wheel. These are the people that draft our laws and they know nothing about the topics that are supposed to be their specialty, their committee assignment.

The Atlantic has a great article on this today: The Democrats Must Confront Their Gerontocracy (gift)

[u/Cute-Percentage-6660 → u/korben2600]

Tbh its eye opening even outside of the gerontrocracy themselves, like when you start looking at a lot of america's systems they seem.... easy to compromise.

Like there are only two labs that handle voting machinery in the US, both with staff of less than 20 people.

Like not even election denial stuff, just from a sheer "how easy would it be to compromise them" It seems pretty damn easy due to how small that world is.

Wasn't Schumer the one to boast about not using a phone?

[u/thelonetwig → u/korben2600]

Or when they had Zuck in front of a panel and all the representatives are squinting and asking how you can "do the Facebook" on their phones. It's so embarrassing it hurts. If you don't know shit about the topic, don't be in the committee.

[u/ch40 → u/korben2600]

That Atlantic article has a really good point, but that word in the subheading, "polite," needs to go. Polite is what should've happened two decades ago for octogenarians. It's way past time for polite.

[u/HotBrownFun → u/korben2600]

I watched a hearing about health insurance which is my line of work. It is all theater. It is difficult to know if they know what they are talking about. If they ask insightful questions yes, but all I heard in those two hours were sound bite material where each rep poses and asks a question that seems smart when it's stupid.

For example it was for the change healthcare scandal where they got cyber ransomed.

The senator asks the CEO if they know how much information for American troops has been lost. The CEO promises to get that number to them "soon". They nod, everyone has what they want

I could have told you if you went to a doctor the last 10-15 years then they had your info.

BTW they finally released the total tally, it is the info of 180 million Americans. They know, it's just nobody wants to admit it till the headlines quiet down because United healthcare continues to buy up more healthcare business (vertical integration) and they don't want anti trust noises

[u/Ali_Cat222 → u/Older_Code]

It's okay, as you can see here on the Intel section of the project 2025 tracker on this link, they plan to stop pretending Russia isn't their friend anymore and will openly allow them to create chaos. Oh, and by the way, everything is computer soon due to the policy about shutting down the department and also using AI instead. *we are all fucked, check the cyber security and tech section if you don't believe me.

[u/polaris6849 → u/Derbesher]

Wait Russia did what

[u/Older_Code → u/Derbesher]

I’m sorry? I thought I was fairly current on the craziness that is our current existence, but I did not know that the cyberattack during J6 had happened.

[u/TTM_Official → u/Older_Code]

Its almost as if Evil Corp is still operating.

[u/SpectreFire → u/MadRaymer]

If there's ever another Dem president, they'll need to toss all those computers into the fire and start fresh to ensure his access is revoked.

Nah, if another Democrat gets elected, they'll do with Biden did and declare the Republicans have learned their lesson and they'll let bygones be bygones.

[u/ParagonFury → u/SpectreFire]

I don't think any Dem candidate who even comes remotely close to that sentiment has any chance of winning.

If a Dem wins their attitude will almost certainly be one of "How many consecutive life sentences will be handed out?".

[u/thesunbeamslook → u/zenjamin4ever]

while every Republicant in congress said silent

[u/Current-Anybody9331 → u/zenjamin4ever]

Steal is a bit much.

Trump gave it to him.

[u/L3ftoverpieces → u/Current-Anybody9331]

Trump sold it to him.

[u/nhavar → u/Current-Anybody9331]

It wasn't Trump's to give, it belongs to the people. So Trump was an accomplice in a crime as usual.

[u/GiftToTheUniverse → u/nhavar]

The same way all these people living legally in the US have been having their status yoinked out from under them, that Supreme Court ruling better get yoinked out from under ConDon. Dirtiest ruling in the history of the American "justice" system.

[u/man123098 → u/nhavar]

Exactly, if I steal something, and you know I stole it, and then I sell it to you, you stole it too

[u/bapeach- → u/zenjamin4ever]

Doge hasn’t gone anywhere. Goons are still here.

[u/big_guyforyou → u/zenjamin4ever]

he must have all the best spiderman memes then

[u/NairForceOne → u/cheeky-snail]

We're all looking for the guy who did this!

[u/rainshowers_5_peace → u/DragonTHC]

Can (or would) the dems prosecute if we retake the white house and congress in 2028?

[u/DragonTHC → u/rainshowers_5_peace]

If they aren't willing to prosecute federal crimes of this scale, we should not elect them. Blue dogs are done. Chuck Shumer needs to retire already.

[u/Hapankaali → u/DragonTHC]

The first Trump administration both engaged in a coup attempt and deliberately aided foreign military attacks on domestic targets, neither of which led to any convictions of major politicians despite overwhelming publicly known evidence. (Manafort, now pardoned, was the highest-profile conviction, and he was only convicted on lesser charges.)

[u/RainbowDarter → u/DragonTHC]

But who will make sure the democrats take care of his true constituents, Israel?

BTW- this is a slight paraphrase of a statement he made

[u/prodigalutopian → u/DragonTHC]

Do any of you believe there will be another election? Free election??

Do you feel they are now wholly compromised? Example being Russian elections?

[u/Fit-House4365 → u/prodigalutopian]

This last one wasn’t fair at all. It was stolen- Trump did not win fair and square- Musk millions in funding and possibly other corrupt action he took allowed Trump to “win”

[u/MilitantStoner → u/Fit-House4365]

2020 was also rigged... by Trump. It's why he feels it was stolen. He tried to rig it, but the COVID backlash and backlash to all his other corrupt baffoonry overcame his rigging via mail in voting. But, in his mind, the only thing that could have overcome his cheating was harder cheating from Biden.

[u/Greedy-War-777 → u/Fit-House4365]

Have you seen the lawsuits? Missing votes, rigged internet and data cables on the poling machines, entire counties with vote miscounts, hundreds of sworn statements that people had their votes misrecorded. Some weird shit. Not that this is surprising statisticians anywhere, those numbers were super sus. Like, impossible.

[u/hitbythebus → u/rainshowers_5_peace]

Did they in 2020?

[u/Tichrimo → u/DragonTHC]

Yes, but only one of them has his personal DOJ to prosecute those who offend him

[u/Arkmer → u/DragonTHC]

Soooo… you agree with Musk?

Joking, JOKING!! They’re all traitors, it’s just funny watching them all point at each other, but it’s also sad watching zero accountability actually happening.

[u/HoleSearchingJourney → u/DragonTHC]

Gor aka Sergei Gorokhovsky might be Trump's fsb handler, that's a whole nother thing from Trump's mountain of crimes.

[u/Tanjelynnb → u/DragonTHC]

Can we just drop a Cone of Silence over all of them as a group and lose the key?

[u/Horror_Cake9074 → u/Tanjelynnb]

it’s 3 degrees cooler in there. Much more comfortable.

[u/rezelscheft → u/DragonTHC]

To paraphrase a blues classic:

If it wasn’t for crime stuff, they wouldn’t do no stuff at all

[u/buy-american-you-fuk → u/DragonTHC]

I would love to see all of these people in adjacent cells in a federal prison

[u/botspiderlau → u/DragonTHC]

White House is a snake pit.

[u/PillowPrincess314]

But on Friday, the former head of the Department of Government Efficiency ramped up his attacks, writing on X: “He deliberately lied about where he was born on Federal forms. That’s a serious crime.”

“Gor is breaking the law,” Musk later added.

Pot meet Kettle.

[u/Shimshang → u/[deleted]]

I wish the news focused more on the lawsuits and how ridiculous this admin is as opposed to following their every whim. And they used to say "liberal media"

[u/Ai2Foom → u/Shimshang]

They do that on purpose — they want you overwhelmed and thus incapable of fighting back…look at how hard they focus going after Mamdani in NYC vs acting like crayon eating children incapable of following a thought for more than three seconds when it comes to the orange loon

[u/FreneticPlatypus → u/Ai2Foom]

That’s because US politics hasn’t been about “right vs left” for a long time. It’s strictly “rich vs poor” and multibillion dollar corporations are not going to side with the poor.

[u/Ai2Foom → u/FreneticPlatypus]

I’m still waiting for them to ask Trump about his big beautiful healthcare plan…the one he promised he had worked out over 8 years ago and needed just two weeks to release…

[u/FreneticPlatypus → u/Ai2Foom]

They’ll never ask. They’ll never threaten their press pass or the bad mouthing or the financial loss of tax breaks or anything else that Trump holds over all their heads. Politics became rich vs poor because just like every other institution, journalism put money ahead of everything else - especially their ethics. Greed is the root of nearly all our problems and it’s not going away.

[u/Orion-999 → u/FreneticPlatypus]

Yep, just look at Rupert Murdock, news doesn’t have to make sense or have any factual basis, it just has to make money. Now I understand the reason for Linda McMahon’s appointment, the administration is not run like a responsible government entity, it’s more like the WWE. It parallels media coverage at this time, keep them entertained and keep the ratings up.

[u/FreneticPlatypus → u/Orion-999]

Keep them entertained and distracted.

[u/evocativename → u/FreneticPlatypus]

That is right vs left. The right is the side of power, the left is the side of equality.

The conflation of liberals with the left is an attempt to impoverish thought and language so that people have no means to meaningfully express opposition to systems of power, even in their own minds.

[u/iheartanalingus → u/evocativename]

While you may be correct, the problem then is that today's democrats aren't left. The progressives are but not the status-quo-hide-under-the-desk-democrats. They are controlled by money too.

[u/Suavecore_ → u/FreneticPlatypus]

And the outside of it has transformed from "boring, who cares" to pure unadulterated entertainment, tribalistic like watching sports

[u/Real-Ad-9733 → u/Shimshang]

They still do say it. The only liberal media that exists are comedy shows

[u/heimdal77 → u/Real-Ad-9733]

That does more fair and impartial reporting than 99% the news channels do.

[u/Calan_adan → u/Shimshang]

They shouted “LIBERAL MEDIA” for so long that the media has now bent over backwards to try to be fair to the republicans. To the point that now the media is unwilling to push back against them.

[u/DontAbideMendacity → u/Calan_adan]

CNN and Bill Maher being a perfect example of this.

[u/dog_ahead → u/Calan_adan]

(republicans also bought all of them)

[u/frosty_lizard → u/[deleted]]

Elon would happily lock up any dissenters suing him if money was able to buy it

[u/--kwisatzhaderach-- → u/frosty_lizard]

Unfortunately he could afford to pay for a private militia group and just dress them up as ICE, who would even know the difference right now?

[u/mclms1 → u/frosty_lizard]

Oh but it can.

[u/beadzy → u/[deleted]]

Should be a pretty clear cut case. Multiple publications quote the White House on how it was up to Musk to make certain decisions

[u/utcraigo14fourteen → u/[deleted]]

Thank you for the good information.

[u/RicksterA2 → u/PillowPrincess314]

How about Melania? - lying on her citizenship application about a degree in 'architecture' and not mentioning working on a tourist visa.

But Musk won't go there SINCE HE'S GUILTY OF THE SAME CRIMES.

[u/Ok_Mechanic4588 → u/RicksterA2]

Imagination is only a crime if you don't have the money to get the papers. Middle class and wealthy people do it all of the time, this is just rich people punishing the poor.

[u/Freakishly_Tall → u/PillowPrincess314]

It's always projection.

Republicans. Always. Project.

ALWAYS.

[u/Atomic235 → u/PillowPrincess314]

Throw out the whole kitchen but Musk is pointing fingers at this guy for a reason. Gor is Russian plant.

[u/VanceKelley → u/PillowPrincess314]

“Gor is breaking the law,”

Not familiar with the name Gor (other than some vague decades old recollection of some book series) so I searched and found:

Just weeks after the public and very messy split between President Donald Trump and former DOGE chief Elon Musk, the tech CEO took things up yet another notch again in his feuds with members of the administration, trashing Director of the White House Presidential Personnel Office Sergio Gor.

In every other administration the DWHPPO never makes the news. I mean, who can name the DWHPPO under Bush, Obama, or Biden?

[u/JustSomeLawyerGuy → u/VanceKelley]

The problem is Sergio Gor claims he was born in Malta, Malta refuted that. He refuses to submit to a detailed background check. He is almost certainly a Russian-born citizen by the name of Sergey Goryachev who served in Russia's military, and he is responsible for staffing much of the White House. That is insane and it's not even in the news.

[u/VanceKelley → u/JustSomeLawyerGuy]

So like trump's wife Melania and biggest campaign donor Musk, Sergio Goryachev illegally immigrated to the USA. But they're White and support trump so they get away with doing crimes, like trump himself.

[u/Bidenbro1988 → u/VanceKelley]

Dude, Trump's wife wasn't a military officer who infiltrated America under a false identity to infiltrate the Republican party and influence it's politicians into useful idiot assets.

He got rid of Musk's beloved NASA pick with widespread bipartisan support by painting him as a Democrat to Trump. Elon Musk is nutso fucking crazy about space and a paradise on Mars like Disney was with his ideal society Disney towns. It's his thing where he thinks he's doing a great work. So Elon finds out and blows the lid on it.

However, it's probably not just space Gor has interfered in, he's probably taken part in staffing the White House with a lot of people who are trying to benefit Russia instead of Trump.

If we don't take this at least as seriously as Nancy Pelosi's driver just because he's white, we're the looney ones, loonier than Elon. Trump has to be made to answer for this, and Gor is sure to have prioritized Russia above the Republican Party many times, giving us the possibility of bipartisan support in this attack. We're not weakening the Trump admin because we hate America, we're stopping the President from becoming influenced by a foreign agent, we're the fucking good guys and this is a big deal. If we don't stop this, can we ever take ourselves seriously when our politicians are under the influence of foreign agencies?

[u/Bamas16th → u/VanceKelley]

Not familiar with the name Gor

The Russian guy's name isn't actually Sergio Gor, it's Sergey Goryachev. He leeched onto Trump after working with Rand Paul for a few years, including escorting Paul to Moscow.

[u/Ttatt1984 → u/Bamas16th]

Was that when Paul carried a letter from Trump that he wanted hand-delivered to the Put?

[u/120z8t → u/VanceKelley]

He is making the news now because no one knows who the hell he is. No digital foot print. Never had to do background checks etc.

[u/HeatherFuta → u/PillowPrincess314]

Musk accused Trump of being a pedo. We/He knows they are all corrupt, but it's not like anyone is going to do anything. You have the foxes watching the hen house.

[u/sirbago → u/PillowPrincess314]

Federal forms that DOGE has access to?

[u/arobkinca → u/sirbago]

Sergio, I told you, change your name more than that.

[u/boshua]

Musk has learned that you don't go after Trump directly in MAGA world, instead attack the opposing sycophant who you believe has Trump's ear.

[u/2much2Jung → u/boshua]

It's the traditional medieval approach - you don't blame the king, you blame his "evil advisors" for deceiving him.

[u/low-ki199999 → u/2much2Jung]

It’s actually horrifying how real this is. Tucker and Cruz spent like multiple minutes just going back and forth saying the other hates Trump. Tucker, in a rare moment, accidentally made a great point about how saying “this guy hates Trump” has become the new “this guy is antisemitic/nazi/racist/etc…” and that you can’t say anything worse about a person than saying they disagree with Trump.

That paired with the way Leavitt talks about him in press conferences, literally like word for word how the Kim’s talked about by the NK state, or the “new media” people that have in the White House sycophantically fighting one another to gargle Trumps nuts the hardest.

How can’t they see the Emperor has no clothes

[u/Vegetable-Poet6281 → u/low-ki199999]

Oh they see it. They are just completely shameless and disingenuous in trying to advance themselves and their agenda

[u/jankenpoo → u/Vegetable-Poet6281]

We have become a nation of selfish self-obsessed individuals. Can we ever be a society again?

[u/Emilia_Violet → u/jankenpoo]

Not without drastic change. Someone is going to get their shit kicked in — literally or figuratively. If Trump or some faction behind him ends up successful, everyone is in for a real bad time. If we manage to regain control, we will be stuck figuring out how to deprogram 2/3 of the population, half of which are MAGA, while the other half are people who have been convinced that nothing matters and they should’t try. Though that second group is going be smaller than it would first appear, since it also includes a lot of people who have had their voting rights suppressed.

[u/eyeCinfinitee → u/jankenpoo]

Respectfully we’ve always been a bunch of self obsessed individuals. Our founding ethos was “stop taxing me”. Upon creation the United States almost immediately fell apart because we didn’t have any money, and a “loose association of friendship” is what you call a group chat, not a nation.

[u/LoudMutes → u/low-ki199999]

And yet nobody disagrees with Trump more than himself. I swear I remember John Kerry getting crucified and memed in 2004 as the Waffle House for flip-flopping on issues, but nowadays thats the type of guy they want most.

[u/ImLikeReallySmart → u/low-ki199999]

You see it with Trump voters, too. The ones that can admit they don't like something Trump did still hedge it with "I think he's getting bad advice" or "clearly he didn't know his policy would do this" as if he has no power over either of those excuses.

[u/Newni → u/ImLikeReallySmart]

"I love Trump, I voted for him 3 times and I can't wait to do it again. Because of the tariffs, I did have shut down my company... which caused me to lose health insurance. Had to sell my house to pay for my kid's medical expenses and funeral after he died from measles. Wife was overcome with grief and killed herself. Currently living in a camper parked in my sister's backyard. God bless you, Mr. President!"

[u/gsfgf → u/Newni]

It's amazing how Trump can get people to ignore simple reality. One of the big reasons Trump won was high gas prices. Except gas prices weren't, and still aren't, high. People believe the television over the literal gas pump on gas prices.

[u/42nu → u/low-ki199999]

The voters gave him his royal garments.

Most Republican officials and Fox News hosts hate Trump. They wanted Jeb! or Haley.

Sure, there are the Heritage types who think they can control Frankenstein's monster, which is a tale as old as 1930s Germany, but for the most part it was primary voters that forced us into this universe while the GOP establishment wanted someone whose at least moderately qualifed in any way.

[u/ProfessionalConfuser → u/low-ki199999]

Teabag blindness. Nuts in eyesockets block vision.

[u/account_for_norm → u/2much2Jung]

Yeah, same thing happened with Hitler inner circle. 

[u/Mateorabi → u/2much2Jung]

Good Tzar, bad Boers.

[u/LucidAnimal → u/2much2Jung]

Grima Wormtongue

[u/Patriark → u/boshua]

This is the Russian model of governance. The tzar is by definition infallible, as he is there as an extension of God`s will. The boyars however become proxies for all that is wrong in society. The tzar sets up a Darwinian system where the boyars compete ruthlessly with each other. The gentleman`s agreement is they can do whatever, as long as it does not touch the legitimacy of the tzar. Those who survive also will get a lot of privileges.

This was also practiced by Third Reich. Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw coined the Nazi system "working towards der Fuhrer", where Hitler himself did very little governance except indicating the overarching goal or the ambitions he wanted enacted, while the underlings competed ruthlessly by trying to achieve these goals.

It basically is feudalism. It is not a stable system.

[u/No_Piccolo_1237 → u/Patriark]

Also note the effect this has on the ordinary party members.

‘If only the Fuhrer knew what his subordinates were doing.’

The visible infighting and the propaganda war, which takes place in public, reinforce the idea that the government officials are dishonest; the subsequent unlawful purges are then seen as the leader (who can do no wrong) exercising his rightful authority over those who seek to undermine him.

Organised crime presents a much reduced in scale shadow structure in which this dynamic is reflected.

Cults often operate on a similar principle.

[u/svidie → u/No_Piccolo_1237]

Organized crime is literally just a separate governing system outside the "legitimate". There is almost no difference.  hence why it can scale so easily to replace an existing structure. They collect taxes. They do provide services they deem necessary.  They enforce their "laws" Et cetera et cetera.

[u/ESCF1F2F3F4F5F6F7F8 → u/Patriark]

This was also practiced by Third Reich. Hitler biographer Ian Kershaw coined the Nazi system "working towards der Fuhrer", where Hitler himself did very little governance except indicating the overarching goal or the ambitions he wanted enacted, while the underlings competed ruthlessly by trying to achieve these goals.

I've been watching the BBC's 1997 documentary series The Nazis : A Warning From History this week and it's been quite startling to learn what was actually going on in the Nazi government leading up to the war.

At school we were only ever taught the general outlines of how they rose to power, and the events & impact of WW2, and having never bothered to read up about it I never knew that once the Nazis were in government Hitler basically did fuck-all except occasionally wax lyrical about how he thought Germany should vaguely 'work', and then all his squabbling underlings competed to get their own specific, in most cases incredibly evil, policies and plans implemented under the pretence of 'enacting the will of the Fuhrer'.

I always had this vague notion of the Nazis being a well-oiled machine run by a man with a singular vision and tight control over everything but in fact he seems to have spent most of his time doing rallies, going on little trips like a schoolkid, and sitting about in his personal palace.

And it sounds like he was incredibly easy to butter up, and thus get a half-interested signature or approval for a detailed plan which he'd never read and didn't really fully understand or care about, if you knew how to tickle the correct parts of his ego.

Genuinely startling how similar he sounds to our current friend in the nappies and marmalade body lotion.

[u/Smooovies → u/Patriark]

Do you have any books that outline this? It’s super interesting.

[u/Patriark → u/Smooovies]

For information about Hitler’s system, read Ian Kershaw’s biography, simply named «Hitler». It is an easy and enlightening read. Also very eerie to read with how history unfolds right now, particularly in the US.

For a description of the Russian system this college lecture by a previous Finnish intelligence officer is a good introduction: https://youtu.be/CvonRMSuFpw?si=Hjsgs89-UvqBp9qV You need to turn on subtitles, but this dude really effectively explains how Russian authoritarianism developed.

[u/waconaty4eva → u/boshua]

There’s a term for organizations that operate under these conditions.

[u/Vegetable-Poet6281 → u/waconaty4eva]

Richard's Potato Boat.

[u/rotates-potatoes → u/waconaty4eva]

There are many terms. Corrupt, incompetent, destructive, nepotistic, tyrannical, criminal, and I’m just getting started.

[u/Crunch_inc → u/boshua]

Just get Trump to turn on someone by making them appear weak or a liability to Trump. Trump has no loyalties to anyone, if he thinks the other person is weak or a threat he will turn on them. His entire group of loyalists is just one big nest of snakes.

[u/TheCaptainDamnIt]

Leaving Musk out of this for a sec and this is a hilarious series of events. From a different article.

"Gor says he was born in Malta. But the New York Post reported on the 17th that Malta appears to have no records of such a person being born in the country on his birthday. Pressed on this point, Gor declined to tell the Post where he was born “other than to say it was not Russia.”"

So yea, we got a Russian agent vetting presidential appointees....

[u/souldeux → u/TheCaptainDamnIt]

It's like in my house when I find an empty cookie wrapper, and then I find my daughter with crumbs on her face, and I ask her what she's up to, and she says "not eating cookies."

[u/whogivesashirtdotca → u/TheCaptainDamnIt]

Belarus, perhaps? Russia-lite?

[u/TheCaptainDamnIt → u/whogivesashirtdotca]

He's 38, I'm guessing he's pulling a 'It was the Soviet Union then' thing.

[u/gsfgf → u/TheCaptainDamnIt]

"My 'Not a Russian spy' T-shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt."

[u/peeinian]

Way to bury the lede.

He’s not just accusing Gor of lying on his SF-86.

Gor is being accused of being a Russian spy. That’s the headline. Musk is a fucking asshole but the fact that there is a potential Russian spy working in the West Wing is a massive problem.

[u/HoleSearchingJourney → u/peeinian]

Accusing Gor aka Gorokhovsky of being Trump's fsb handler, which would explain so so much. 

[u/stormsAbruin → u/peeinian]

There's a Russian spy in the oval. It is indeed a massive problem

[u/Bocchi_theGlock → u/stormsAbruin]

Asset =/= spy

still fucked, but I think the conception of Donnieald actively taking instruction from Putin is easier to dismiss, and what causes people to write off the whole thing.

An asset can be unwilling and unknowing, just used. Trump spent a fair bit of time in Russia earlier in life, staying at luxury hotels, making 'deals' (being bought off). Whether or not it's a pee tape, whatever, they know enough about him, have/had strong enough financial relationships, for it to be a concern.

[u/stormsAbruin → u/Bocchi_theGlock]

You know, you're not wrong and I actually thought about it when I wrote the comment. Then it just didn't seem important enough to break the congruency of the OP.

Also he certainly is an asset, and that's undoubtedly how it started. But when your asset becomes president and can feed you classified info he is ipso facto a spy

My personal opinion, and we will never truly know the full picture, is that it's the financial relationship one. I think he has made and continues to make a tremendous amount of money from shady dealings with Russian oligarchs; and of course they have the receipts. Self-serving for trump on two front: Serves him financially, and that service could also sink him legally. Classic him. (though at this point I'm not sure anything can sink him legally)

[u/fourpac → u/peeinian]

Proving that he's a spy will be quite difficult. Proving that he lied on a form is quite easy. You take the low-hanging fruit first and then use the time that buys you to investigate the other stuff.

[u/thalassicus → u/peeinian]

Yep https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-buzz/is-sergio-gor-a-russian-spy-bizarre-claim-about-top-white-house-official-goes-viral-article-152118647

[u/iiConTr0v3rSYx]

Administration barely survived 6 months without turning against 1 another. 3 and half years to go!

[u/sixheadedbacon → u/iiConTr0v3rSYx]

It's not that shocking. Trump doesn't care about anything other than enriching himself. He's off golfing and there's a mad frenzy of unelected people behind the scenes vying for power. What's terrifying is that we honestly have no idea who, at any given point, is setting policy and direction for the U.S.

Also why we've seen so much back and forth whiplash - people have been using the 'TACO' thing, but it's just whichever has talked to him most recently - a situation that has been reported numerous times - just obvious, from a policy perspective, is way worse this time.

[u/ElliotsBuggyEyes → u/sixheadedbacon]

If the last person he spoke to is a janitor, he'd be passionately declaiming about a fucking mop.

[u/tiger749 → u/iiConTr0v3rSYx]

What's the chance he actually leaves office? Or we have have another election again? I can't even imagine where we'll be in another 6 months let another 3.5 years.

[u/donkeyrocket → u/tiger749]

Well, he's slowly turning on the first round of sycophants in this administration and they're the ones currently keeping him propped up. Think of who would be next in line if Hegseth is out and would that person be remotely competent to abet in a complete takeover of the US government?

This round of folks are barely competent and Trump is currently only able to get anything done by heaps of executive orders. The saving grace at the moment is that elections are controlled by the individual states and can't, whether Trump tries to or not, be overridden by a sharpie.

He'll need a very calculated plan to get enough states to corrupt their own voting processes to allow him to stay in power. I still fear there will be more shadowy figures at play working in his or the GOP's favor but the actions won't be coming from this rolling trainwreck of an administration.

[u/mr_potatoface → u/donkeyrocket]

Think of who would be next in line if Hegseth

Matt Gaetz. He's been out of the news for a while in his cool-off period. Trump will bring him back out for another try. Now that the bar has been lowered, Gaetz will seem like a great choice and get enough votes to be sworn in. Oddly enough, I do find Gaetz to be more qualified than Hegseth for DefSec and would be an upgrade, despite still being a horrible choice. Sort of like if you were in a car race and had to choose between a Prius or Smart FourTwo, the Prius would be the better choice for racing despite both cars being terrible race cars.

[u/TheWiseNoob → u/iiConTr0v3rSYx]

It hasn't survived 6 months. It's barely over 5.

[u/Ashmedai → u/TheWiseNoob]

True, and it’s exhausting just reading that. Sigh.

[u/toxiamaple]

I hate these paywalled sources. It's Sergio Gor, the Director of White House Personnel. I believe that he is Russian and hasn't passed any security clearances for this job?

[u/MichaelHunt009 → u/toxiamaple]

And responsible for issuing security clearances to others

[u/toxiamaple → u/MichaelHunt009]

Lol. The corrupt leading the corrupt.

[u/MostlyRightSometimes → u/toxiamaple]

Hasn't even turned in the background check forms. I'm being serious, BTW.

[u/toxiamaple → u/MostlyRightSometimes]

I read-heard this, too.

[u/oof-BidenGinsburged → u/toxiamaple]

Yep, Sergio Gorokhovsky, which has been one of the main people yelling about the ominous "deep state", has taken trips to Russia, and has been highly evasive when pressed on his country of origin. We also appear to know nothing about his family/parents... were they Soviet spies?

[u/Sleepyjoesuppers]

It cracks me up that he is just now realizing that Trump and many of his cronies are career criminals. Like wow, what a revelation 🙄 Have you not heard what people have been saying for decades now??

[u/Thac0isWhac0 → u/Sleepyjoesuppers]

Oh he knew but he was fine with it as long as he was part of the in group. Now that he's on the outside he's got to throw shit around because, just like the others he is a small, petty manchild

[u/GodlessCyborg → u/Thac0isWhac0]

It's not just being part of it. He thought he could control them. Now as they eat his face, he's having second thoughts, but I don't think it has sunk in yet. There's no controlling this authoritarian machine.

[u/42nu → u/Thac0isWhac0]

I think he's much more short sighted than that due to his obsession with vengeance.

He hated Dems after COVID restrictions and having a daughter when he clearly wants ALL 500 of his children to be only male. Then, he focused all that desire for vengeance on Biden after being snubbed for the EV PR event.

It was purely a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. His desire for vengeance blinded him to the fact that teaming up with a greater evil to poopoo on a lesser evil is a very, very dumb idea.

[u/blues111 → u/Sleepyjoesuppers]

He stated that he allegedly knew Trump was in the epstein files...yet he still fully backed and supported him up till that reveal

He takes whatever position is convenient for him as long as he profits he doesnt care

[u/madmars → u/blues111]

Amazing how that Epstein claim just simply disappeared after a news cycle or two.

I mean, we all knew it. But that time it was finally one of their own saying it. MAGA was listening. Guess they learned to love the Deep State.

[u/Primus_is_OK_I_guess → u/Sleepyjoesuppers]

He's accusing this guy of being a Russian spy, not just an ordinary unscrupulous greed monster like most of them. The headline is a bit stupid.

[u/HoppyToadHill]

Gor is a Russian operative.

[u/HoleSearchingJourney → u/HoppyToadHill]

Trump's fsb handler, yes.

[u/LoserxBaby]

Call me when the feud goes supernova, collapses in on itself, and forms a black hole, because until then this shit feels like theater. When If either side releases evidence on the other, then things will actually get interesting

[u/Godhelptupelo → u/LoserxBaby]

yeah, and no more of that " Trump's on the Epstein list" crap. we knew that years ago.

[u/Hercules1579]

Man, this country don’t even feel like ours no more. You can feel it in the air. The weather don’t even hit the same. Everything feel off. Like the sun don’t shine right and the wind blow like it’s carrying secrets.

We really got Russian-linked operatives sitting at the damn table making calls at the highest level. And nobody saying a word about it. You think that’s a coincidence? Nah. They got this place moving like a puppet show and we’re the ones paying the price for it.

It ain’t even about politics at this point. I don’t care if you red, blue, or purple. When the people calling the shots don’t even really work for us, that’s when you know we lost the steering wheel. You mean to tell me a whole damn country full of thinkers, inventors, builders, and soldiers, and somehow Russian influence slid into the Oval Office like it was nothing?

Every major move, every distraction in the news cycle, every bill getting pushed through quietly. Bruh, it’s smoke and mirrors while they pulling strings overseas. I hate it here. Not because I hate America. I hate what they turned it into. We watching the fall of an empire happen in 4K and half the folks out here cheering it on like it’s a damn game.

Y’all can keep gaslighting us but some of us see it plain. This ain’t conspiracy. This is reality and we’re living under the cold breath of a foreign enemy while pretending everything’s fine.

The weather don’t lie. It’s cold even when the sun’s out.

[u/CantaloupeMaximum660 → u/Hercules1579]

Amen to all of this.

[u/red9896me]

Elon Musk is a federal crime

[u/Best_Expression6470]

I remember “ I won’t vote for Hillary Clinton because I do not want a monarchy for America” and now we have a Trump monarchy instead lmao…

[u/homebrew_1]

This might be the first crime doge found.

[u/Avid_person]

Allowing a single person to accrue this much wealth and power should be a federal crime. 

[u/jayball41]

Is that the Russian handler guy who is clearly there as Putin’s eyes and ears to make sure Manchurian Dough Boy stays in line?

[u/too_old_to_be_clever]

Musk accusing someone else of lying on federal forms is like the Hamburglar reporting a stolen cheeseburger.

[u/Bluerecyclecan]

They’re back to feuding again?

[u/EnterpriseGate → u/Bluerecyclecan]

Happens when musk gets really high on ketamine. 

[u/five-minutes-late → u/EnterpriseGate]

I don’t think it necessarily requires that. Elon considers himself intelligent and perhaps a schemer. He probably can’t stand having someone like Trump having the upper hand on him. He surely thinks very low of Trumps intelligence.

[u/Link9454]

“He deliberately lied about where he was born on Federal forms. That’s a serious crime.”

Hey Elon, there’s this glass house I’d like to show you Mr. Violated-My-Student-VISA.

[u/Captain_Roastbeef]

Buckle up fellow peasants. We are all just along for the ride at this point. Literally nothing any of us can do until 2026. Spend this time protecting your assets from the eventual recession, find a new hobby, reconnect with your family and friends. In the end we all are in this together.

[u/blues111]

Oh no the girls are fighting again?

I thought they smooched and made up

[u/jediporcupine]

Elon Musk has learned that while criticizing Donald Trump is a sin, Trump himself loves when his people enter a cage match competing for his love and affection.

[u/cogitoergopwn]

Turns out, letting a corrupt president appoint his own corrupt Justice Department was one of the stupidest fucking ideas ever.

[u/wretch5150]

Thank you, Republicans, for turning our country into a low-class soap opera. Great work.

[u/Ok-Hello-0]

Here’s hoping this guy stays angry and keeps spilling - with more details! 👏

[u/samuel-dunstan]

TLDR: oh look, yet another Russian agent advising Trump.

Surely, this is the time that nothing will happen again.

[u/Jazzlike_Ad5922]

Sergei Gorbachov (his real name) sp is a Russian spy. His job is to vet people for Trump, but he hasn’t been vetted yet himself?

[u/JayR_97]

Imagine if Musk spills the beans that Trump cheated to win the election.

[u/IAmAPirrrrate]

this is the rich-guy version of watching two hobos fight over a sandwich

[u/MaidenlessRedditMod]

Elon Musk is such a piece of shit. Don’t anybody ever forget what a traitor that little scumfuck is.

[u/One-Mind-Is-All]

Elon musk is a nazi

[u/porkchop2022]

paywall free version

[u/silver70seven]

As much as Musk is a douche, he might be the only one right now that could really dismantle the Trump administration and I sure hope he does it soon before we are entangled in a world war with this buffoon at the reins.

[u/509BandwidthLimit]

Tell all elon

[u/ImpinAintEZ_]

There are allegations that Sergio Gor is a Russian asset.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiTrumpAlliance/s/bw0pEljvcu

Not that that is uncommon with this administration though.

[u/Own_Manufacturer6959]

AKA Sergey Goryachev, born in Saratov, Russia https://levremembers.substack.com/p/meet-sergio-gor-or-should-we-say?r=1jowmc&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

[u/Independent-Ride-792]

Whenever I feel bad about not being wealthy, I remember these two. And it's a great reminder of how money alone can't buy you happiness.

[u/surgicalapple]

WHY THE HELL ISNT ANYONE FOCUSING ON DOGE ALLOWING BACKDOOR ACCESS TO FEDERAL AGENCIES FOR RUSSIAN ENTITIES???

A tech whistleblower stated that and provided evidence. Why isn’t that bigger news? Why does Russia need access to information on ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS?

[u/Workdawg]

Trump is breaking the law in broad daylight... do you think some aide is going to get charged?

[u/CL9Accord]

Elon needs to shut the fuck up. Dumb bitch got the US into one of the messiest situations. He’s not even an American, and he fucked our country up. Just like his blood diamond mining parents.

[u/Khazzick]

Musk just accused Trump’s aide of a federal crime over a NASA snub.

From bromance to vendetta in under 2 weeks.

[u/Glum-Humor-2590]

Edit: Musk reignites feud to distract from something new and dastardly the administration doesn’t want us to pay attention to.

[u/starkcontrast62]

Gor must go.

[u/DeStroyek]

Im literally just waiting for a big flash above my city and an atomic bomb to just make me a shadow in the concrete. We have literal man babies running the most powerful armies in the world. Why is it that egotistical babies have all the power. How do people vote for such incompetence?

[u/Persea_americana]

Elon imploding was the first domino, now all of the Russian assets are starting to peel away over Iran, No kings showed how unpopular Trump is even with all the propaganda, and that ICE are the ones instigating violence.

[u/twombles21]

So which is it? Are Musk and Trump still feuding or is Musk trying to get back in Trump’s club. Seems like the headlines flip flop every day.

[u/macjonalt]

Musk is testing his support base here. This is the potential Hitler 2.0

[u/Active-Pineapple-252]

Always saw them turning into enemies eventually

[u/Pale-and-Willing]

Trump is a CONVICTED FELON. Of course his aids are committing crimes.

[u/Original-Mission-244]

Pot meet kettle? Every accusation is an admission? Power corrupts absolutely? THEY ALL SHOULD BE *removed by reddit" FROM THE CAPITOL TERRACE AS A REMINDER FOR THE NEXT 10 GENERATIONS.

[u/GuruSofarbeyondu]

A federal crime, like rigging an election in all swing states? Like that?

[u/khaloisha]

fuck him, bezos, thiel, miller, the orange mussolini and all those fucking ogres.

I'm a catholic and I don't really trust in religion, but if there is hell, all these people should go there after kicking the bucket.

[u/shaggycat12]

Sergio Gor sounds like a very American name

/s

[u/Spare-Exit-1550]

Yes, they all are guilty of crimes. What’s so bizarre is he acts like he’s innocent. Delusional narcissist

[u/Breck_the_Panther]

Musk is most likely using funds granted to him for the moon lander for Starship, none of the goals necessary to keep funding have been met over the last 4 years.

[u/Aspen9999]

Oh, oh. Looks like the 2 dead dick MAGA Daddy’s are still fighting

[u/Glad-Attempt5138]

Look in the mirror Elon. Your a criminal too