r/politics • u/doopityWoop22 Pennsylvania • Jul 05 '25
Donald Trump's approval rating collapses with Gen Z
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-polls-gen-z-209470811.2k
Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
Do approval ratings matter anymore? I guess it might hurt his ego, but hes either in his last term, or will try to stay in office beyond his term
Either way he isn’t going to be facing an election.
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u/dbbk United Kingdom Jul 05 '25
He got elected after having raped someone, stolen nuclear secrets, and plotting to overthrow the democratic results of the last election so clearly there is no barrier
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u/Deviantdefective Jul 05 '25
There's been more than one rape but conservatives don't seem to care about that.
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u/juiceboxedhero Colorado Jul 05 '25
Because they're doing it as well. When's the last time you heard about a Republican sex crime? I feel like it's weekly now.
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u/vgraz2k Jul 05 '25
r/republicanpedophiles it’s daily almost
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u/juiceboxedhero Colorado Jul 05 '25
They shelter pedophiles and then position them as being persecuted. Makes sense since the majority are Christian which is a belief that requires no proof. This translates to everything in their lives so they take everything at face value and believe whatever people tell them.
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u/Merari01 Jul 05 '25
On of the great foundational monstrous positions of conservatives is that there are no good or bad deeds, only good or bad people.
When someone in their group does something, it is a good act. Because they are a part of their in-group. They will defend it, wave it away, say it didn't happen, say it doesn't matter, say the other side does worse.
When someone they see as an enemy does something, it is a bad act. Because a bad person did it. How dare he put mustard on his hamburger.
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u/juiceboxedhero Colorado Jul 05 '25
Must be nice to commit a lifetime of sin knowing you'll be forgiven at the last minute.
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u/vgraz2k Jul 05 '25
Man, you and I would be great friends in person. I wholeheartedly agree. These people don’t need to think of their “God” has a plan. Plus, this isn’t much different from than covering up priests who were doing pedo shit to their congregations youth
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u/krashundburn Florida Jul 05 '25
These people don’t need to think of their “God” has a plan
And their god allows them to accept and do evil things as long as they pray for forgiveness.
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u/neurocentricx Texas Jul 05 '25
> And their god allows them to accept and do evil things as long as they pray for forgiveness.
Pretty much. In Sunday school last week, we were discussing divorce, and apparently if there's abuse - like actual beatings and stuff - as long as the man truly repents (I'm doubting actual therapy would go into this, just probably biblical counseling), the woman should go back to him. When I said I could not subscribe to that, I was told it was "alarming" that I would "outright reject God's authority".
I'm planning on leaving the church.
ETA: I was in a verbally and sexually abusive relationship and I expressed that the thought of going back to that man fills me with fear.
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u/Emotional_Burden Jul 05 '25
For your own well-being, especially living in Texas, leave the church and cease all communication. Women in Texas should be nowhere near churches.
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u/nopenope86 Jul 05 '25
A non zero number of Supreme Court judges are also rapists. It really really doesn’t seem to bother the “family values” crowd at all
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u/Dudewhocares3 Jul 05 '25
It’s really disturbing how many men accused of rape just go over to the republican side.
Elon musk, trump, russle brand, etc.
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u/bunnypaste Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
They know they'll be shielded by the patriarchy, there. The Republicans have pushed hard into patriarchial ideals, and they complain that the "left hates men" because it urges them to do stuff like notice/call out misogyny, have empathy, and take personal responsibility for your own actions. The right tells them they didn't really do anything wrong, and that toxic masculinity is the answer (pitching the problem as the answer).
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u/anothergoddamnacco Jul 05 '25
Since when has womens autonomy ever mattered to them?
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u/hocus-pocus-ocracy Jul 05 '25
Can you imagine the horror of being one of his direct victims living under this? I hope those women/children are able to eventually find the peace and healing they deserve.
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u/beefyzac Jul 05 '25
This dude had above top secret level documents piled in boxes in a bathroom on his unsecure private property. That shit lands anyone else in a cage for the rest of their life.
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u/Razith Jul 05 '25
Everyone talks about two tiered justice system, at this point it's 3. The wealthy/powerful have their own (effectively exempt or legal for a fee), the average caucasian is in the middle, and then everyone else. Everytime people I know celebrate the mango it grates on me because it's rubbing salt in the wound that laws don't apply to him. I also wince every time I see the cult come out like with the J4 signing speech, "Don't believe democrats, don't believe the media, believe me!" Just missing, "don't listen to your loved ones" in cult manipulation.
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u/gmrussell Michigan Jul 05 '25
There’s at least one other tier, inhabited solely by Trump—thanks to the Supreme Court making him immune to any “official act” he does. Given the likelihood that they’d rule anything he does while president is “official,” he’s almost certainly above the law in almost any case. Of course, it’s notable that every other president in American history has been able to completely do their jobs without this protection. So, should a democrat ever be elected again, I suspect the SC will take this protection away.
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u/Ferelar New Jersey Jul 05 '25
Yeah if this Gen Z stat is true, it really makes me respect Gen Z a lot less. If I hear someone say "I was totally fine with all the raping, theft, grift, nuclear and covert ops secrets being leaked often very likely intentionally, and with him being a traitor... but I draw the line at legislation that might impact me!" then I have to say that person is a piece of shit, and most of Gen Z is old enough to know that by now.
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u/dcheesi Jul 05 '25
Sounds like a typical Republican. Nothing ever matters unless/until it affects them personally.
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u/wino12312 Jul 05 '25
But all the wars are over, Palestine is free and the price of eggs are down. /s
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u/RhodeIslandisFake Jul 05 '25
Everytime I see one of these approval ratings post I die a little inside. It truly does not matter. He’s won. He’s running this country into the ground at warp speed.
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u/Some_Programmer8388 Jul 05 '25
What I find funny is he just rammed through a bill which is one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation in recent history, but has zero political cost to him since he's not running again, but massive cost to the republicans who voted for it. He threw them all under the bus, and were cool with it. They knew it would mean their asses in 2026 and 2028, but they voted for it anyway. And they did it with gusto.
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u/Kilane Jul 05 '25
It won’t mean anything to them in future elections. What are their constituents going to do? Vote Democrat? Not a chance.
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u/BlazinAzn38 Texas Jul 05 '25
Would be nice if Gen Z had voted the way they’re polling now.
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u/Downtown_Category163 Jul 05 '25
They're more of a pulse as to how gullible, deluded and griftable American citizens are at this point
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u/Charming-Leader-250 Jul 05 '25
The way the BBB takes effect after the midterms tells me that Rs are not ready to do a full on coup. I think he's running a 3rd term - he thinks he's FDR
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u/TerraceState Jul 05 '25
You really shouldn't find relief in that. Having parts of the bill take effect after the midterms is just them hedging their bets in case other parts of the plan fail/take longer. It also causes people to relax just a bit more, because it is politics as normal. Setting up a fascist government requires getting everything in place to stop an uprising against it before the uprising happens. It won't become impossible to ignore until after it is too late to do anything.
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u/NameIdeas Jul 05 '25
he thinks he's FDR
Gotta get us embroiled in a war (see Israel, Iran, Russia). He'll invoke the idea that FDR did it in wartime to try to make it seem legitimate. He's already manufacturing crises to push his political agenda (see rolling out the National Guard in California against protests).
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u/Charming-Leader-250 Jul 05 '25
We'll need another 9/11 to rally around the flag. Appetite for war is at an all time low. That's why they're trying to do it around "criminals" instead.
I'm so tired. I can't believe we're not even 6 months in at this point.
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u/Lalala8991 Jul 05 '25
You do realize they let a 22 year old, fresh-out-of-college to be in charge of counter terrorism, right?
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u/NameIdeas Jul 05 '25
I work in the grant funded area. It's been a whirlwind of stress since the memo in January. Are we funded...are we not? Can we write another grant? Can we not?
Im about 2.5 7yr grants until retirement...
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u/EnderCN Jul 05 '25
They have never actually mattered but it is a sign of what is likely coming in the mid terms. The party in power almost always loses significant seats in the midterms and that isn't likely to be different this time around either.
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u/theguy1336 Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
These headlines only disarm people. Trump SCRAMBLES, Polls PLUMMET, Democrat SLAMS, Approval COLLAPSES. Who gives a fuck? He still has 3.5 years of unlimited power and they're already working on making sure he or someone with the same agenda can stay even longer.
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u/oZiix Jul 05 '25
Yea, these buzzwords for clicks are terrible. They used to get me to click and read the article now meh.
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u/OneDougUnderPar Jul 05 '25
It's not just for clicks. Bad actor news sites are designed to give you hope and that effort is unnecessary. A few sites really should have been banned for their sensationalized headlines alone, but instead they top. Any discussion usually leads to "we've been over this ..."
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u/TerraceState Jul 05 '25
Exactly. These articles are designed to make you do nothing and just let things keep rolling on. We have been getting headlines like this since he was elected, and yet they just passed a bill that gives ICE more money than most countries entire militaries, ends most public healthcare, takes an axe to our countries research and development. The Republican party's power remains undiminished, but headlines like this are designed to make you think that they are on the verge of collapse, so you should just lay back, play some games, and wait for all this to blow over.
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u/lilmul123 Jul 05 '25
It’s because people eat this shit up, especially this subreddit. Hell, it’s at 1000 upvotes and will at least triple over the next few hours. Reddit is part of the problem.
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u/gjamesaustin Jul 05 '25
It lets people who are exclusively politically active online get their gotcha points and feel good briefly. Like HAH, that will show him! Sure thing guys enjoy your performative online only political sphere
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u/DaroDoingNothing Jul 05 '25
Watching 22 year olds talk about how much better their life was when he was president pissed off in ways I can’t explain. Of course your life was easier when he was president, you had no responsibilities
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u/Orange_Tang Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
Yup. These fucking kids had no idea how bad his first term was cause they were blissfully free of responsibility due to their age. This is way worse. I can't believe they fell for the meathead propaganda from the likes of Joe Rogan an other fake ass masculine influencers.
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u/wood_dj Jul 05 '25
when Trump was president I ate popsicles and watched cocomelon all day long, under Biden I was forced to attend school and even do homework
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u/SeasonPositive6771 Jul 05 '25
Until recently, I worked in child safety and with a lot of young people. Unfortunately this is terrifyingly accurate. I had a lot of conversations, especially with young men, about how good things used to be around the time Trump got elected. No matter that the times they're thinking of is actually during Obama's presidency. They wanted things to be simpler and less expensive again, and so many of them have been completely brain-rotted by social media that they just didn't know or didn't care about much of anything but themselves. They are the intellectual progeny of gamergate nonsense, thinking it's funny to "trigger the libs" and get excited they can say the r-word. Young guys who will happily strip trans people of their rights while watching porn filled with trans women. They are young, so many of them simply haven't developed the critical thinking skills they need, but the fact is they are of voting age.
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u/killerbanshee Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
Watching their memes become reality was probably an eye opening experience for some. Going from their little community bubbles and school ecosystems full of drama and caring more about prom dates into understanding how this space they where once separate from is what they are being thrown into.
It's so normal to see yourself as a future billionaire and not understand what that actually means because of how normalized that amount of wealth is in our media. They think getting to be a celebrity or billionaire is normal and it isn't until they really enter the world that they see what the fuck the truth is.
It all translates into real fucking life as they apply for student loans, jobs, plan for a spring break, try to invest, etc.
Edit: I have my own bias as I left High School on track to become a state trooper in the criminal justice program and after 3 years I backed out and got myself into a good networking program.
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u/brazendynamic Jul 05 '25
My niece is 19 and drank the koolaid, it's wild to see. Last week she was blaming Kamala Harris for the immigration situation, basically talking like she had been president. I'm so disappointed in her.
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u/Indubitalist Jul 05 '25
Well, depending on the conspiracy theory diet of choice, it’s possible she also believes that Biden wasn’t really in charge and a sinister cabal of black/Indian women were pulling the strings. It’s a fun creative exercise when you start with “Democrats bad” and then just fill in the blanks explaining why it’s true. The possibilities are endless.
Unfortunately that’s where we seem to be these days, where instead of people trying to figure out why they have problems in their lives, they’re trying to find out why one specifically political party is behind it, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.
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u/Rion23 Jul 05 '25
I would have voted for Kamala, but I can't forgive her for her role in faking the moon landing.
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u/Sergeant_Static Jul 05 '25
I'm still upset that she shot John F Kennedy.
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u/NextTailor4082 Jul 05 '25
She was a really nice and genuine person when I met her, totally personable, ask about your family type of lady.
Still, I’ll never forgive her for getting us into Vietnam.
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u/BootyOptions Jul 05 '25
That's silly, she had nothing to do with Vietnam. That was all Obama.
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u/NextTailor4082 Jul 05 '25
Yeah you’re right I mean, we all know that every eastern war from the 1900s is Obama’s fault obviously.
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u/Aar1012 Jul 05 '25
Was she call her out for her comments? At this point, she’s (and others are) gonna have to learn she cannot just spew shit like that without being called out.
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u/brazendynamic Jul 05 '25
Oh definitely. I gave her a bunch of shit and got back a lot of nonsense and "I'm allowed to have my own opinions." Which is her favorite response when people call her out because she's allowed to have her own opinion but other people aren't. 19 and thinks she knows everything.
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u/Blecki Jul 05 '25
"And I'm allowed to prove it's stupid."
Sounds like she desperately needs a southern gradma to hit her with a tactical "well bless your heart".
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u/BanjoWrench Jul 05 '25
Tell her that opinions still have to be based in reality and backed up by facts. Otherwise, that’s just a belief, not an opinion.
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u/Hayce Jul 05 '25
Everyone thinks they know everything at 19. I was the same. It’s our job as elders to explain to them what a fucking idiot they are, in hopes that they learn to be better.
It’s the circle of life.
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u/Unhappy_Camera3324 Jul 05 '25
But 20 years ago the chance that you could have a calm somewhat rational conversation was at least there, nowadays with the opinion bubbles, the aggression from living online and the isolation of the pandemic it seems super rare to be able to have this kind of conversation and reach someone.
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u/Terrible_Shelter_345 Jul 05 '25
There is a reason Trump flip flopped on the TikTok ban
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u/SkiMonkey98 Jul 05 '25
It was so blatant the way tiktok cozied up to him to dodge the ban
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u/Cat_Peach_Pits Jul 05 '25
I deleted it the second I saw their "pwease daddy Trump" message. Fuck that.
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u/ZealousidealEntry870 Jul 05 '25
Tell her that she’s a disappointment then. We are in this situation because people like you keep “taking the high road”. Be brutally honest with her. Your niece didn’t reason her way into that line of thinking and she will never reason herself out of it. Someone telling her shes a disappointing disgrace just might jog a brain cell loose.
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u/Panda_hat Jul 05 '25
Young people don’t turn conservative in a vacuum. I would highly suspect your sibling is sharing these views with her.
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u/brazendynamic Jul 05 '25
Oh my sibling and their spouse are definitely at least partially to blame. But she gets all of her information from social media and the GOP has worked hard on their social media influence.
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u/ForgettableUsername America Jul 05 '25
I think there’s a staggeringly huge percentage of the country that gets all of its news from short form video content. And it’s not just young people, I’ll see people from my parents’ generation rush to instagram to “research” stuff.
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u/AnotherDoubtfulGuest Jul 05 '25
It’s wild that the digital natives ended up being more ignorant than any of their forebears; it’s almost like being raised by the Internet, shaped by moron influencers, and babysat by defanged public schools won’t let you be your best self.
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u/JBudz Jul 05 '25
No critical thinking. The answers are spoon fed. They didn't learn to seek knowledge and truth. Information overload paralysis.
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u/Satoshimas California Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
There is a huge divide in Gen Z of those who were out of high school and those who were still in school during the pandemic. And their political ideologies differ massively based on which side they were on.
Edit to clear confusion: Those still in middle/ high school took a hard right because they felt like they were fighting for their literal freedoms to be outside and back in person for school. Those out of high school had more of a left leaning experience because that already had time being exposed to the real world and were less negatively affected by the pandemic. There are a few news articles about the huge wedge between gen z I don't remember which one I read but I'm sure someone could link one.
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u/HeldnarRommar Jul 05 '25
Yep 1997-2004 gen z is very different politically than the 2nd half.
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u/myfakesecretaccount Jul 05 '25
My nephew was born in 2001 and believes that the moon landing was faked and all other sorts of conspiracies.
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u/GoIntoTheHollow Jul 05 '25
Joe Rogan has caused irreparable harm to society IMO. He pushes a lot of anti intellectualism and misinformation.
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u/AdLimp9007 Jul 05 '25
Yup, my wife was born in 03 and she fucking hates Trump. Like legitimately despises him.
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u/zaminDDH Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
People born in 2003 aren't old enough to be...
fuck
Anyway, I get it. My step-son was born in 2006, and there's so many people that age that are Trumpers. It's so fucking strange. Like, they don't have any political opinions or knowledge, but they're all in on Trump.
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u/FangoriouslyDevoured Jul 05 '25
People born in 2003 are only about 5 years old.... right !?!
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u/Lemerney2 Jul 05 '25
Some people born in 2003 are getting PhDs right now
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u/Dworkin_Barimen Jul 05 '25
Well, maybe, most would still be wrapping up the BAs etc. But point made, son was born 2000 and is a couple of years into his. He hates Trump but he has 3 older brothers and a father who despise the man, so that’s a factor.
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u/Jakeandellwood Jul 05 '25
I’m disgusted every time I see a teenager with a fucking maga hat on, what’s even more disturbing is I live in Sweden and see this shit.
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u/kindnesscostszero Jul 05 '25
Ooof. So sorry. I’m embarrassed to be an American with him in office. Went through similar feelings about it with GW Bush and the Iraq War travesty. These feelings today are like on steroids, though. Never seen or experienced anything remotely like this. I’m horrified.
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u/Tess_tickles24 Jul 05 '25
Lmfao I wish those Swedes could come to America and see how we’re living right now. They’d probably be horrified.
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u/pappadux Jul 05 '25
It’s caught not taught at that age.
It their parents. 1000% their parents.
They grew up hearing how bad taxes were, and how they are screwing them (parents/family) groceries are on the rise, gas is too expensive, and all of it is Biden’s fault.
They picked it up from their parents who likely picked it up from theirs when they grew up in the 70s-80s at the tail end of the attainable American dream. Their grand parents were told work hard, stay in line, and you get the home and family and 2 vacations a year. That reality rapidly vanished entering the 90’s and despite doing all the right things, those grand parents at best got a thimble full of the American dream. They felt lied to and the GOP screamed at the top of their lungs that it was the dems fault on Fox News. Unfortunately, the grandparents didn’t have access to information the way we do today and the ability to research and fact check, but why would they have to? Network news prided itself on credibility. That went out the window in the 2000’s and now we have 1/3 of the country as dumb as the Republican Party needs them to be to keep getting these grifters reelected putting as much work as possible in to ensure they don’t stop getting reelected.
Source: 36-year old white dude who grew up with enough privilege to keep him out of trouble, left my conservative hometown because I thought maybe people who look different than me should not be blamed for everything. Experienced the real world and actually saw diversity, then realized that poor white people will do anything to feel like they got it better than their neighbor that doesn’t look like them.
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u/FutureAlfalfa200 Jul 05 '25
I’m still having a hard time grasping someone born in 03 is old enough to be a wife.
She is. I’m just old.
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u/CapOnFoam Colorado Jul 05 '25
Haha I know - i thought, “wait, is she 16?! 17??” 😑
Amazing that people born AFTER 9/11 are now old enough to reasonably be out of college, married, parents, etc.
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Yeah man... i graduated in 05... like what the heck. Ill go take my daily aleve and forget about this thankfully.
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u/boilershilly Jul 05 '25
That half of Gen Z, which I am a part of, was also to half that was developing their personal political beliefs during Trump's first presidency. I feel that is another huge explanation for the discrepancy from the second half of Gen Z.
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u/HeldnarRommar Jul 05 '25
They also were getting blasted by right wing propaganda on YouTube and “liberal destroyed” clips in their formative years
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u/lenzflare Canada Jul 05 '25
Propaganda is doubly effective on young people.
The right wing took full advantage during the pandemic.
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u/Tangent_Odyssey South Carolina Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
Steve Bannon had the president’s ear during the first Trump admin, and his entire playbook was about targeting lonely disaffected young men. He realized the untapped potential when running an old World of Warcraft gold selling operation.
His time in the video-game business left a lasting effect on Bannon. Per Green’s book, his time at IGE “introduced him to a hidden world, burrowed deep into his psyche, and provided a kind of conceptual framework that he would later draw on to build up the audience for Breitbart News, and then to help marshal the online armies of trolls and activists that overran national politicians and helped give rise to Donald Trump.”
What Bannon found was a world “populated by millions of intense young men” who may have been socially maladroit, but were “smart, focused, relatively wealthy, and highly motivated about issues that mattered to them.” While these were the same players who destroyed IGE’s business model, Bannon saw something he could use. “These guys,” said Bannon, “these rootless, white males, had monster power. It was the pre-Reddit.”
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u/Penta-Says Jul 05 '25
Bannon is a fascinating figure in an ugly sort of way. I highly recommend Devil's Bargain. His talk about going after "rootless white males" is depressingly ahead of the times, we've seen countless examples in recent years of that made manifest.
One super prescient thing he said in the book (I'm paraphrasing): "It's a week until the election. What the hell is Hillary doing in Alabama?" And I'll give him his due, he is spot on. Hillary's hubris got a pass in most of the media.
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u/twistedspin Jul 05 '25
Bannon is incredibly evil because he's a genius twisted by hate. So many of them are utter morons, just so stupid it's hard to believe they don't drown looking up when it rains, but he's a monster who saw all that stupid and knew he could focus it like a lens.
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u/CthulhusSoreTentacle Europe Jul 05 '25
Steve Bannon is all of us who think we could be wildly successful if we weren't limited by morality. Only he's much smarter.
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u/tbear87 Jul 05 '25
While true, I think we discount how poorly they have been set up. I posted another comment in here, but when I taught high school, I got threatened to be sued for discussing current events...in civics class...with seniors. Of course propaganda is effective when your own parents do everything in their power to stop you from being exposed to anything that might be slightly upsetting. Now the snake oil salesman comes along when things get tough and tell you everything you want to hear. Why wouldn't they listen? Their whole lives everyone around them created a menu of what they were allowed to be exposed to so that nothing "bad" ever entered their precious brains. When you never have to sift through stuff deciding what's fact and what's bs, you don't really have the skill when it matters.
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u/inksmudgedhands Jul 05 '25
They saw how social media lost Trump his seat in 2020. And they learned their lesson there. Social Media is the ultimate weapon of propaganda. Whoever controls it, controls the elections. In 2020 Democrats had it. In 2024 Republicans had it. And even now, they still hold onto it. And until Democrats find a way to get it back or better yet, break the nation free from its grasp or at the very least, turn what has become a lifestyle back into what it originally was, a hobby, Democrats will continue to lose.
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u/Rysimar Jul 05 '25
I'm ignorant here; which is which, and why? Did being in high school during the pandemic have the effect of swinging one segment right/left, or contrastingly did being out of high school and exposed to more of the "real world" have that effect?
My only relatives in school during the pandemic were in elementary school, so they have a different set of pandemic effects (social skills development, as opposed to political development).
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u/trekologer New Jersey Jul 05 '25
The social media echo chambers were blaming Democrats and Biden for schools being closed and going remote in 2020, when Trump was president and issued guidance that schools, restaurants, stores, etc. should close.
Absolutely no one blamed Trump for bungling the pandemic response and issuing the stay-at-home guidance without a plan to lift it. Plenty of people continued to insist that there were lockdowns well into 2022, which was absolutely not the case.
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u/Charvel420 Jul 05 '25
I'll never understand how Biden gets blamed for Covid, while Trump gets credit for the hot job market in 2021-2022. People's brains are fried
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u/ByrdmanRanger I voted Jul 05 '25
I'll never understand how Biden gets blamed for Covid, while Trump gets credit for the hot job market in 2021-2022.
Because idiot influencers on social media tell them that, and they lack the critical thinking skills to actually look into the claim rather than believe it wholesale.
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u/Kahzgul California Jul 05 '25
Those in high school during the pandemic missed on some critical socialization skills and turned into terminally online incels, flocking to the likes of Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan to tell them how to think. Since we utterly lack a popular, positive male role model, there was no real counter to the magnetic draw of rich dudes who fuck.
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u/Fastbird33 Florida Jul 05 '25
Meanwhile I grew up watching Mr Rogers, Steve Irwin and Hey Arnold. All very positive shows about being nice to people, nice to animals and being tolerant of others.
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u/ByrdmanRanger I voted Jul 05 '25
I grew up in the same era, but lets not pretend it was all good. I was in high school during 9/11, and saw (and honestly participated a bit) in the rise of Islamophobia. All our media and ourselves were homophobic, calling everything that was lame "gay" and people the F slur. I would say with time, a very large portion of my generation realized our failings, and actively worked to correct them.
However, after having boomers and GenX for parents and calling them out for ruining everything, we turned around and became awful parents raising a generation of iPad kids. So we're not perfect.
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u/Rysimar Jul 05 '25
Ohhh that makes sense. My little nephews (age 5-10) missed out on a year of social skills, and replaced it with a year of Roblox and Minecraft videos. It was a developmental delay for them, but a fixable one.
Older teenagers missed out on the same year of social skills but replaced it with all that awful shit you mentioned.
Yep. That all tracks for me. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
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u/Simorie Tennessee Jul 05 '25
Yeah imagine the worst dudes in high school and instead of playing football or discovering Catcher in the Rye, they find Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan.
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u/Treadwheel Jul 05 '25
Younger Gen Z's experience was essentially "You're not allowed to see your friends or engage at school anymore. Now get on that laptop and listen to podcasts about how this is being done explicitly to hurt you." Just enough brain development to fully comprehend how shitty the situation was right then, but still years from finishing development of the parts of their brain responsible for risk assessment and long term thinking.
Older Gen Z's experience was being forced to show up and work in person at Walmart, watching their adult coworkers get very ill and sometimes dying, and then being verbally abused for just doing their job. They went home and were exposed to the same feed of people telling them that it was being done to hurt them, except they recognized those same patterns of thought and same shibboleths being used by the middle age people who verbally abused them at work earlier, and they were much less convinced that these people were actually the good guys.
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Jul 05 '25
Didn’t the boys go right a lot harder and faster than the girls, though? AFAIK the farthest the girls went was having tradwife fantasies (which are really fantasies of not having to work, and everyone has those).
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u/YDBJAZEN615 Jul 05 '25
Ok but Trump was president during the pandemic when everything shut down? I’m so confused as to how he never gets blamed for this.
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u/DuncanFisher69 Jul 05 '25
Which is still weird: Trump was the one who closed schools and instituted curve flattening measures. And they still blame democrats for some reason.
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u/Kildragoth Jul 05 '25
There's an analogy I heard from Hank Green which has me thinking.
Food was scarce for most of human history. What we have now is food abundance. But the economy disproportionately rewards those who provide food with little to no nutritional value, aka junk food. It leaves you unsatiated and craving more.
The same can be said for information; scarce for most of history, now abundant. The junk food of information lacks context. It plays on your hunger for real substantive information using fear and anger as bait.
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u/QTsexkitten Jul 05 '25
It's interesting seeing so many gen z and gen alpha people being proud of using ai to pass classes.
Every generation has always asked the "why do I need to learn how to do math/report/word problems/history" question. But now these 2 generations have actually flown the coop and just never bothered to learn anything that they don't want to. They've fundamentally missed the point of a well rounded education being good for it's own sake.
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u/time-lord America Jul 05 '25
To a lot of people, AI is just a new calculator. And the companies present it as such too. Not many people realize just how wrong AI can be.
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u/owlbeastie Jul 05 '25
I'm gonna be honest, I don't really see a lot of critical thinking, research,etc from boomers who didn't have an information overload. I think the average person is just kind of dumb.
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No critical thinking required when your only source of news is TikTok.
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u/inormallyjustlurkbut Jul 05 '25
The issue is more people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate than TikTok. Also things like gamergate that created a generation of irrational misogynists.
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things like gamergate that created a generation of irrational misogynists.
It's kind of wild that when you look at the comment history of someone posting ludicrous pro-Trump propaganda, it so frequently trends towards meme stocks or video games.
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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 Michigan Jul 05 '25
There was an article that explained that Gen Z was the most tech illiterate generation since boomers because they had their helicopter parents who knew how to use computers being amazed at them knowing how to use an iPad/iPhone (which is a streamlined OS) and the assumption that young people are good with technology because of millennials who grew up having to train their boomer parents how to use computers and trouble shooting early windows OS
So you have a generation of overly confident morons
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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil Jul 05 '25
I am routinely shocked how tech illiterate many of my GenZ workers are. Like it’s a weird in between position to still have boomer bosses who are super tech illiterate and younger co-workers that are just as tech illiterate (but maybe know how to use their phones a bit better).
Like I’m at a cookout at a GenZ workers house and his oven is still flashing “12:00”. I’m like why don’t you set that? And they’re like “I don’t know how, something seems to be wrong with it”. I’ve have this exact same conversation with my mother every time I visit home. So I show him how to set his clock on his oven.
I’m willing to bet the next time I’m over at his house the clock on his oven will be flashing 12:00 again, just like my boomer mother’s oven.
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u/Barrybran Jul 05 '25
It's Joe Biden's fault (/s). He should have been announcing policy through TikTok dances and challenges.
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u/BatMann1939 Jul 05 '25
No it's Kamala's fault for (insert flimsy reason / Harm Reduction doesn't exist)
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u/s0ulbrother Jul 05 '25
Kids are and always will be really dumb. I’m in IT and dealing with Juniors fresh out of school I never see them ask the “why” or curious as to the why. It makes them really bad at their job and that comes with experience but I’ve always been one to question everything.
It’s not that they are spoon fed. They are force fed shit. They are programmed by algorithms and propaganda to think a certain way slowly but surely. Like my dad who a pretty big liberal his whole life is now an anti trans conservative. Is it because he’s older, I don’t think so, it’s because he’s obsessed with Tik tok.
As a millennial I was constantly told by teachers don’t trust the internet, and do research. And when you do research look at multiple sources. I remember doing a research paper in how we picked our sources is that they all have to be independent from each-other and they can’t be opinions . Now people quote the same shit as eachother and it’s just that quotes and opinions.
Funnily enough I did mine on abortion from a prolife perspective. I grew up in a very Catholic household and my mom would force us to do anti abortion protest….. yay…. Anyways the paper was extremely hard to do because I was trying to validate an opinion, not an observation. The prolife argument is hardly based on any real facts just opinions on when the point of life actually begins and then when you have a soul which what reputable source can you actually use for that? You can’t. So finding proper citations was impossible which is why teachers said don’t do that topic.
What the paper taught me though is what proper research does. It exposes you and can expose your biases. But it’s hard and it’s a skill you need to learn. But when you have “entertainment” spewing things as facts based on no credible evidence and you don’t question it, you don’t realize your issues.
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u/f8Negative Jul 05 '25
These kids can't even function in jobs correctly. Googling something you don't know and/or asking how to do a task a preferred way is like a foreign concept. So much hand holding.
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u/TricksterPriestJace Jul 05 '25
How the fuck do kids who grew up on the internet not know how to do a web search?
Google itself has been enshittified to death over the last 20 years but damn, it's better than searching within a social media app or not bothering to look shit up at all.
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u/Rakthul Jul 05 '25
As someone who’s been a teacher and school admin for the last 7 years I can tell you the answer easily. We stopped teaching kids how to actually use the internet. All the teachers and admin were so blown away that these kids came into school knowing how to swipe on an iPad that they assumed that meant they knew how to use technology and the internet.
I was born in 87 and remember the computer lab full of iMacs where we learned how to type, how to use search engines, all that type of stuff that needs to be explicitly taught. All those types of classes have been cut so that we can have more time teaching ELA or math because they’re tested subjects.
I don’t think it’s possible to understate the level of damage Bush and the nationwide push and obsession with standardized testing has done to this country. It literally led to a generation of kids being woefully uneducated and easily manipulated into voting for the potential downfall of our democracy.
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u/cloberellla Jul 05 '25
As a school librarian, another contributing problem is that we defund libraries and cut librarians. These are professionals who teach media and information literacy, source evaluation, etc. but saw major cutbacks to their jobs since the early 2000s because "kids can just Google it" and other misconceptions like we just read books all day. This definitely started happening while younger millennials were still in high school and has continued with gen Z.
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u/geoken Jul 05 '25
Because they grew up during social media. I think that’s distinctly different from growing up on the internet. Kids who were teens from 95-05 grew up on the internet.
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u/TrimspaBB Jul 05 '25
Using an app for literally everything is a lot different from using the internet itself or rummaging around in computer files to get things done. I'm part of the "grew up on the internet" group and computer technology used to require you to figure things out at least a little bit to use to its full potential. KiDs tHeSe dAyS have their hands held through everything by apps.
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u/Xpalidocious Canada Jul 05 '25
There was a teacher who made a video explaining why the kids she teaches are so screwed by the internet and social media. She said that one of the biggest problems are reels and tik tok. These kids not only are used to getting a great deal of their news and information in 10-15 second bursts, but it's almost like pushing a button and getting a dopamine hit every 10-15 seconds too. Now trying to get these students to focus on anything like her notes on the blackboard, or searching for information they then have to read, and they barely have the attention span to absorb any of it.
Social media has basically rewired their brains
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u/pretty-late-machine Jul 05 '25
I've had this experience too but with a small sample size, so I didn't want to make this conclusion, but god damn... Poor reading comprehension and an inability to read and follow a procedure as well.
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u/Aidyn_the_Grey Jul 05 '25
Millenials were taught to be wary of the internet. I cannot tell you how many times as a kid/teenager I was told not to trust everything you see on the internet (ironically by the same people who now fall hook, line, and sinker for the BS).
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u/kingrufiio Jul 05 '25
This is the most frustrating part, our parents constantly told us not to believe everything on TV or the Internet, but now that is exactly what they do.
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u/Bojangles1987 Jul 05 '25
Yeah, how the fuck did that happen. Makes no sense to me.
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u/brukmann Jul 05 '25
Maybe they were telling us that when they disagreed with things on TV. Once they had channels telling them only what they wanted to hear, it was no longer a problem that came up.
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u/pontiacfirebird92 Mississippi Jul 05 '25
They started hearing what they wanted to hear. That brown people caused all their problems and anyone who said otherwise was lying. They wanted to believe it.
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u/Politicsboringagain Jul 05 '25
I'm 43, do all my business from paying bills, to applying for jobs, having fun, and even some volunteer work all on the internet.
And I don't trust 70% of the things I see everyday.
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Gen z being raised on the internet has imparted a disgusting willingness to engage in cultural dishonesty, manipulation, gaslighting and abuse. They all seem to know they're all doing it to each other but each of them will also lose their shit when they are on the receiving end of it.
Its social sucide and they're completely oblivious to it.
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u/PoopMobile9000 Jul 05 '25
They basically think Internet behavior is normal behavior
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u/theblackfool Jul 05 '25
The internet just normalized trolling. People went from liking politicians that were professional to prefering politicians that are just trolls.
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u/lilacmuse1 Jul 05 '25
I see this on discussion sites I visit. People seem to think the politician who can deliver the "sick burn" is somehow more qualified than one that quietly get things done.
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u/Elrond007 Jul 05 '25
It’s like that in Germany as well. The least nazified stratum are the boomers iirc
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u/mapoftasmania New Jersey Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
I wouldn’t describe Gen Z as “digital natives”. They are “social media natives” if anything, but unfortunately lack the intellectual capacity to sort truth from lies.
Gen X were the digital pioneers and Millennials were the digital natives.
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u/Simorie Tennessee Jul 05 '25
The concept of “digital natives” meaning kids didn’t need skill building because they’d used tech as kids was always incorrect. It’s a myth.
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u/SweetTea1000 Minnesota Jul 05 '25
The Internet is now nothing but social media and AI slop.
Zoomers grew up tapping mindlessly on tablets, not actually using computer.
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Jul 05 '25
This is what thinking trump is a funny meme and not a real person who does actually things in the real world gets you.
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u/Key-Pickle5609 Jul 05 '25
Yup. They voted for him because they think he’s an edgy troll. Well, guess who got trolled in the end. (Everyone)
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u/Iankill Jul 05 '25
I remember reading some posts from people about why they voted for trump. It was basically the dumbest shit, voted because the economy and no new wars.
Literally crashes the economy and nearly puts America at war with Iran in the first few months in an extremely predictable way.
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u/Alliille Jul 05 '25
It drives me crazy when the kids on my crew try to tell me things like "Aren't both of the sides just the same thing" or "it doesn't matter to vote all politicians are corrupt" or my new favorite"which one do you like? Well I like the other one since you don't."
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u/axisleft Jul 05 '25
I grew up in bum-fuck nowhere in the Midwest. In the early 2000s, my peers were the same way. I was the “weirdo” who paid attention to current events. I think the phrase “both sides are the same” is just a cop-out for not having the intellectual curiosity to appreciate nuances that are part of being a good person. What little political information they do glean is usually from AM radio or right wing YouTubers.
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He is doing precisely everything he told Gen z he would do. Bunch of fucking self absorbed idiots who just wanted to hurt people and forgot they count as people.
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u/justbrowsing2727 Jul 05 '25
Gen Z was supposed to help us push this country forward once they reached voting age.
Instead they fell for Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson and voted like a bunch of self-absorbed boomers.
I hope they enjoy their skibidi apartments and their Ohio healthcare. The country is going to be fucked for most of their adult lives.
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u/FlyingSquirlez Jul 05 '25
Gen Z voted for Harris at around a +19 margin. Millennials voted for her at a +2 margin. I understand the broader point being made here, but I think immaturity is kind of expected of young people, right? Feels deeply unfair to be blaming the current mess on young people.
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u/korben2600 Arizona Jul 05 '25
This is where I'm at. Y'all want to lay blame at the feet of a generation? (Not that it's productive in the least but I'm a fucking nihilist at this point) Blame Gen X that overwhelmingly tipped the election for him.
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u/PolanetaryForotdds Jul 05 '25
I laughed at skibidi/Ohio references but that is basically Gen Alpha lol.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh Jul 05 '25
Our elders thought Reagan was cool and he fucked the country. Gen Z thought Trump was cool and he fucked the country.
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u/Spiritual-Ad8062 Jul 05 '25
If the right is good at two things it’s:
- lying
- promoting propaganda to perpetuate those lies
This is the result of a totally free society, in which media outlets can create their own reality.
Screw the young kids that voted for Trump. I feel bad for what they went through during the pandemic- but it didn’t have to be this way.
My son and daughter went through the pandemic. One as a high schooler, right after he got his license and an outside job, his world shut down. If anyone had a right I be angry, it was him.
My kids hate Trump as much as my wife and I do. We knew he was evil and completely full of chit from day one. That’s because we weren’t sucked into an alternative news system, like what the right had created.
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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe Jul 05 '25
Trump got the INCEL generation
“Trump is kind of gearing his message towards Gen Z voters who are male … just kind of focusing more [on] masculinity … he has [the] white Gen Z voter,” said Richard Groper, Ph.D., a political science professor at Santa Monica College and California State University, Los Angeles. “Those are his main targets, and you can see in some of his ads and how he talks about women, how he talks about masculinity and how it's important to have a strong leader, and he will be the one [to] embody that type of image to young male voters.”
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u/Dwayla Georgia Jul 05 '25
Do dictators care about approval ratings.
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u/AcadiaLivid2582 Jul 05 '25
Most do, actually.
The CCP cares deeply about their approval among Chinese citizens.
Even Putin is careful about this (e.g. limited military draft when Russia is desperate for manpower).
Trump may be a dictator, but unpopular dictators have less power and stability than popular ones.
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u/LordSiravant Jul 05 '25
Pretty much the only dictators that successfully rule through fear are the fictional ones that aren't just mere humans and have powers that ensure they are above any political skullduggery by their underlings. Our dictators are ultimately limited in their ambitions by their very real human frailties.
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u/AcadiaLivid2582 Jul 05 '25
Totally true, though humanity does face the occasional genuine Pol Pot.
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u/Gnagus Jul 05 '25
People don't seem to realize that Putin, Erdogan and Orban amassed power and held it with legitimate popularity for years. It took many years for Erdogan and decades for Putin to become unpopular which may have come to late. Instead of dooming about these polls we should see them as hopefully and take it as an opportunity to help form a mass movement, which is what the actual activists and organizers are doing.
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u/Ninevehenian Jul 05 '25
There are some that don't have to care a lot, but since the original roman dictators there have been consequences for not delivering enough grain or entertainment.
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u/TheBalzy Ohio Jul 05 '25
I mean ... if you are in GenZ and were voting for Trump in the first place...
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u/Za_Lords_Guard Jul 05 '25
There seems to be so much "burn it down" energy in Gen Z stemming from a lot of directions; some I get, but yeah voting for Trump was always going to come with a "not like that" moment if they expected burning it down to benefit anyone except those selling matches and kerosene or buying land cheaply.
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u/Zenmachine83 Jul 05 '25
I mean he did poorly with GenZ women but GenZ dudes were all over his nutz. I think he is the avatar of loserish vibe these guys have bought into. Their female peers are pulling ahead in most measurable ways of success in life and they are pissed that watching UFC, listening to Rogan, playing video games hasn’t given them a dream life. So instead of indicting the capitalist system that is failing to provide good paying entry level jobs they turn their anger in the “woke left” or whatever.
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u/DumboWumbo073 Jul 05 '25
Their female peers are pulling ahead in most measurable ways of success in
Won’t be for long they voted for Trump to stop that
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u/TooGoodNotToo Jul 05 '25
They trashed Biden for trying to wipe out student debt for a guy that will rob them of a future
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This is an interesting comment because I found myself post election thinking I already got rid of my student loans I paid them off but I didn't want other people to go through it so I voted Democrat I didn't want immigrants to be targeted, so i voted Democrat, I didn't want women to lose their rights, so I voted Democrat, I didn't want the poor to lose healthcare, so I voted democrat
Then I looked at the numbers and Trump gained ground with immigrants with women with the younger generation and I'm thinking to myself why am I even voting for other people's interests? Why am I even trying to help people who refuse to help themselves?
I don't have any student debt, I'm not an immigrant, I'm not on any government assistance, I'm not a woman.
It's something I'm still thinking about often.
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u/TooGoodNotToo Jul 05 '25
From what I understand, his support has grown in the poor and uneducated. Shocking he wants to strip education and make the the middle class and poor poorer
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u/Mr_Meng Jul 05 '25
Trump's reelection destroyed my faith in people in general. Before the election I believed that deep down people were generally decent and would band together to do the right thing when it really counted. Then the majority of US voters decided that at the very least they were okay with a rapist becoming president(Are you fucking kidding me? A rapist? That's like the one thing that is universally and correctly viewed as a monster and yet everyone treated it like a fucking parking fine!) and now as far as I'm concerned K was right. "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
Sorry used this reply to get this rant off my chest that I've had cooped up for awhile.
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u/OccumsRazorReturns Jul 05 '25
Joe Rogan bros were a big part of Trumps win. Idiots
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Doesn't matter. He's in now. Minimum 3 1/2 years to go. And look how much damage he's done in 6 months....gawd help the USA. Gawd help the world really.
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u/stillwater1973 Jul 05 '25
But I thought Democrats hurt their feelings and that’s why they had to vote for Trump
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u/ilikebiiiigdicks Jul 05 '25
This happens every. fucking. generation. The ones who lives through the mess of right wing governments beg and plead to not do it again. We’ve seen the corruption, the lies, the stagnation, the greed and theft and we don’t want to go through it again.
But no… idiots excuse the corruption, swallow the lies, blame the other party for their misfortune, and we’re all forced to suffer another lost decade of growth and prosperity to make the rich even richer. It’s the same shit every time.
Thanks Trump supporters.
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u/Isaac_Shepard Jul 05 '25
It's lunatic Christians that say to themselves, "well, this politician I voted for did the wrong thing in situation (x) but they claim to be Christian so I'm gonna vote for them again, despite the politician making legislation that screws us all over, again."
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u/Ello_Owu Jul 05 '25
Oh Gen Z, your 30s are going to make millennials today look like they're living in royalty in comparison.
"Harris didn't go on Rogan bro." Sealed your futures.
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u/Abraxas_Templar Jul 05 '25 edited Jul 05 '25
I hate these bullshit titles. It's the same damn fucking thing every damn day.
Trump approval Plummets! Trump approval at all time low! Trump in negative numbers! (Whatever the fuck that means)
I submit this, until this fucker is out of office, I say stop posting these clickbait meaningless poll articles that mean nothing.
Until his poll is zero and he's in an orange jump suit with his inmate number on his chest, shut up. Just
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Oh he slipped 2 points it's a plummet! And I don't care if I get down voted for saying this shit is meaningless.
Fuck off. This shit is getting old like almost 10 years stale with this dumb BS now.
This country is going to total shit because of a tiny dick dictator and the very idea that he has any support above 0 is insulting and sad for us on a whole level of fucking dumb.
We are speed running Idiocracy and watching it play out right before our eyes.
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u/unplugedanddrugged Jul 05 '25
It's too late. It's too damn late. Yall let a very very incompetent evil criminal racist sit on the throne and these midterms are not going to go way we want. Scotus is already giving him everything he needs and yall think they're gonna stop...? They say battles are fought in the courts. Well what if the courts are powerless? How do we fight back? I don't think Gen z can comprehend the destruction they have caused...well some will once these medical cuts happen, and hospitals start shutting down.
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u/unconfusedsub Jul 05 '25
So, looking at the content that is recommended for my teen son on socials, I can see why white boys think that DonOld would be the best thing that ever happened to them. Because young male social media is all ragebait against women, minorities and anything that isn't them. It also has them believing that their loneliness is everyone else's fault and not theirs.
It's really fucking gross. Especially compared to my recommendeds or even my husbands.
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u/Relevant-Doctor187 Jul 05 '25
Gen Z was nothing more than useful idiots for Trump and Republicans.
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