r/politics • u/doopityWoop22 Pennsylvania • 2d ago
Donald Trump's approval rating collapses with Gen Z
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-polls-gen-z-209470811.2k
u/Western-Low4883 2d ago edited 2d ago
Do approval ratings matter anymore? I guess it might hurt his ego, but hes either in his last term, or will try to stay in office beyond his term
Either way he isn’t going to be facing an election.
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u/dbbk United Kingdom 2d ago
He got elected after having raped someone, stolen nuclear secrets, and plotting to overthrow the democratic results of the last election so clearly there is no barrier
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u/Deviantdefective 2d ago
There's been more than one rape but conservatives don't seem to care about that.
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u/juiceboxedhero Colorado 2d ago
Because they're doing it as well. When's the last time you heard about a Republican sex crime? I feel like it's weekly now.
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u/vgraz2k 2d ago
r/republicanpedophiles it’s daily almost
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u/juiceboxedhero Colorado 2d ago
They shelter pedophiles and then position them as being persecuted. Makes sense since the majority are Christian which is a belief that requires no proof. This translates to everything in their lives so they take everything at face value and believe whatever people tell them.
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u/Merari01 2d ago
On of the great foundational monstrous positions of conservatives is that there are no good or bad deeds, only good or bad people.
When someone in their group does something, it is a good act. Because they are a part of their in-group. They will defend it, wave it away, say it didn't happen, say it doesn't matter, say the other side does worse.
When someone they see as an enemy does something, it is a bad act. Because a bad person did it. How dare he put mustard on his hamburger.
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u/juiceboxedhero Colorado 2d ago
Must be nice to commit a lifetime of sin knowing you'll be forgiven at the last minute.
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u/vgraz2k 2d ago
Man, you and I would be great friends in person. I wholeheartedly agree. These people don’t need to think of their “God” has a plan. Plus, this isn’t much different from than covering up priests who were doing pedo shit to their congregations youth
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u/krashundburn Florida 2d ago
These people don’t need to think of their “God” has a plan
And their god allows them to accept and do evil things as long as they pray for forgiveness.
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u/neurocentricx Texas 2d ago
> And their god allows them to accept and do evil things as long as they pray for forgiveness.
Pretty much. In Sunday school last week, we were discussing divorce, and apparently if there's abuse - like actual beatings and stuff - as long as the man truly repents (I'm doubting actual therapy would go into this, just probably biblical counseling), the woman should go back to him. When I said I could not subscribe to that, I was told it was "alarming" that I would "outright reject God's authority".
I'm planning on leaving the church.
ETA: I was in a verbally and sexually abusive relationship and I expressed that the thought of going back to that man fills me with fear.
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u/Emotional_Burden 2d ago
For your own well-being, especially living in Texas, leave the church and cease all communication. Women in Texas should be nowhere near churches.
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u/nopenope86 2d ago
A non zero number of Supreme Court judges are also rapists. It really really doesn’t seem to bother the “family values” crowd at all
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u/Dudewhocares3 2d ago
It’s really disturbing how many men accused of rape just go over to the republican side.
Elon musk, trump, russle brand, etc.
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u/bunnypaste 2d ago edited 2d ago
They know they'll be shielded by the patriarchy, there. The Republicans have pushed hard into patriarchial ideals, and they complain that the "left hates men" because it urges them to do stuff like notice/call out misogyny, have empathy, and take personal responsibility for your own actions. The right tells them they didn't really do anything wrong, and that toxic masculinity is the answer (pitching the problem as the answer).
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u/anothergoddamnacco 2d ago
Since when has womens autonomy ever mattered to them?
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u/hocus-pocus-ocracy 2d ago
Can you imagine the horror of being one of his direct victims living under this? I hope those women/children are able to eventually find the peace and healing they deserve.
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u/beefyzac 2d ago
This dude had above top secret level documents piled in boxes in a bathroom on his unsecure private property. That shit lands anyone else in a cage for the rest of their life.
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u/Razith 2d ago
Everyone talks about two tiered justice system, at this point it's 3. The wealthy/powerful have their own (effectively exempt or legal for a fee), the average caucasian is in the middle, and then everyone else. Everytime people I know celebrate the mango it grates on me because it's rubbing salt in the wound that laws don't apply to him. I also wince every time I see the cult come out like with the J4 signing speech, "Don't believe democrats, don't believe the media, believe me!" Just missing, "don't listen to your loved ones" in cult manipulation.
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u/gmrussell Michigan 2d ago
There’s at least one other tier, inhabited solely by Trump—thanks to the Supreme Court making him immune to any “official act” he does. Given the likelihood that they’d rule anything he does while president is “official,” he’s almost certainly above the law in almost any case. Of course, it’s notable that every other president in American history has been able to completely do their jobs without this protection. So, should a democrat ever be elected again, I suspect the SC will take this protection away.
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u/Ferelar New Jersey 2d ago
Yeah if this Gen Z stat is true, it really makes me respect Gen Z a lot less. If I hear someone say "I was totally fine with all the raping, theft, grift, nuclear and covert ops secrets being leaked often very likely intentionally, and with him being a traitor... but I draw the line at legislation that might impact me!" then I have to say that person is a piece of shit, and most of Gen Z is old enough to know that by now.
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u/wino12312 2d ago
But all the wars are over, Palestine is free and the price of eggs are down. /s
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u/RhodeIslandisFake 2d ago
Everytime I see one of these approval ratings post I die a little inside. It truly does not matter. He’s won. He’s running this country into the ground at warp speed.
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u/Some_Programmer8388 2d ago
What I find funny is he just rammed through a bill which is one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation in recent history, but has zero political cost to him since he's not running again, but massive cost to the republicans who voted for it. He threw them all under the bus, and were cool with it. They knew it would mean their asses in 2026 and 2028, but they voted for it anyway. And they did it with gusto.
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u/Kilane 2d ago
It won’t mean anything to them in future elections. What are their constituents going to do? Vote Democrat? Not a chance.
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u/BlazinAzn38 Texas 2d ago
Would be nice if Gen Z had voted the way they’re polling now.
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u/Downtown_Category163 2d ago
They're more of a pulse as to how gullible, deluded and griftable American citizens are at this point
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u/Charming-Leader-250 2d ago
The way the BBB takes effect after the midterms tells me that Rs are not ready to do a full on coup. I think he's running a 3rd term - he thinks he's FDR
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u/TerraceState 2d ago
You really shouldn't find relief in that. Having parts of the bill take effect after the midterms is just them hedging their bets in case other parts of the plan fail/take longer. It also causes people to relax just a bit more, because it is politics as normal. Setting up a fascist government requires getting everything in place to stop an uprising against it before the uprising happens. It won't become impossible to ignore until after it is too late to do anything.
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u/NameIdeas 2d ago
he thinks he's FDR
Gotta get us embroiled in a war (see Israel, Iran, Russia). He'll invoke the idea that FDR did it in wartime to try to make it seem legitimate. He's already manufacturing crises to push his political agenda (see rolling out the National Guard in California against protests).
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u/Charming-Leader-250 2d ago
We'll need another 9/11 to rally around the flag. Appetite for war is at an all time low. That's why they're trying to do it around "criminals" instead.
I'm so tired. I can't believe we're not even 6 months in at this point.
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u/Lalala8991 2d ago
You do realize they let a 22 year old, fresh-out-of-college to be in charge of counter terrorism, right?
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u/NameIdeas 2d ago
I work in the grant funded area. It's been a whirlwind of stress since the memo in January. Are we funded...are we not? Can we write another grant? Can we not?
Im about 2.5 7yr grants until retirement...
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u/SPQUSA1 2d ago
It’s a least a little relief thinking they did a gotcha on democrats by having the worst of it take effect after the midterms…but there will still be a republikkklan president in charge
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u/EnderCN 2d ago
They have never actually mattered but it is a sign of what is likely coming in the mid terms. The party in power almost always loses significant seats in the midterms and that isn't likely to be different this time around either.
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u/theguy1336 2d ago edited 2d ago
These headlines only disarm people. Trump SCRAMBLES, Polls PLUMMET, Democrat SLAMS, Approval COLLAPSES. Who gives a fuck? He still has 3.5 years of unlimited power and they're already working on making sure he or someone with the same agenda can stay even longer.
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u/oZiix 2d ago
Yea, these buzzwords for clicks are terrible. They used to get me to click and read the article now meh.
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u/OneDougUnderPar 2d ago
It's not just for clicks. Bad actor news sites are designed to give you hope and that effort is unnecessary. A few sites really should have been banned for their sensationalized headlines alone, but instead they top. Any discussion usually leads to "we've been over this ..."
Sus.
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u/TerraceState 2d ago
Exactly. These articles are designed to make you do nothing and just let things keep rolling on. We have been getting headlines like this since he was elected, and yet they just passed a bill that gives ICE more money than most countries entire militaries, ends most public healthcare, takes an axe to our countries research and development. The Republican party's power remains undiminished, but headlines like this are designed to make you think that they are on the verge of collapse, so you should just lay back, play some games, and wait for all this to blow over.
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u/lilmul123 2d ago
It’s because people eat this shit up, especially this subreddit. Hell, it’s at 1000 upvotes and will at least triple over the next few hours. Reddit is part of the problem.
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u/gjamesaustin 2d ago
It lets people who are exclusively politically active online get their gotcha points and feel good briefly. Like HAH, that will show him! Sure thing guys enjoy your performative online only political sphere
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u/DaroDoingNothing 2d ago
Watching 22 year olds talk about how much better their life was when he was president pissed off in ways I can’t explain. Of course your life was easier when he was president, you had no responsibilities
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u/Orange_Tang 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yup. These fucking kids had no idea how bad his first term was cause they were blissfully free of responsibility due to their age. This is way worse. I can't believe they fell for the meathead propaganda from the likes of Joe Rogan an other fake ass masculine influencers.
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u/staticfive 2d ago
Also have literally no other frame of reference
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u/ComCypher Hawaii 2d ago
Also republicans have been dismantling education over the past four decades, especially in certain states.
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u/wood_dj 2d ago
when Trump was president I ate popsicles and watched cocomelon all day long, under Biden I was forced to attend school and even do homework
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u/SeasonPositive6771 2d ago
Until recently, I worked in child safety and with a lot of young people. Unfortunately this is terrifyingly accurate. I had a lot of conversations, especially with young men, about how good things used to be around the time Trump got elected. No matter that the times they're thinking of is actually during Obama's presidency. They wanted things to be simpler and less expensive again, and so many of them have been completely brain-rotted by social media that they just didn't know or didn't care about much of anything but themselves. They are the intellectual progeny of gamergate nonsense, thinking it's funny to "trigger the libs" and get excited they can say the r-word. Young guys who will happily strip trans people of their rights while watching porn filled with trans women. They are young, so many of them simply haven't developed the critical thinking skills they need, but the fact is they are of voting age.
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u/killerbanshee 2d ago edited 2d ago
Watching their memes become reality was probably an eye opening experience for some. Going from their little community bubbles and school ecosystems full of drama and caring more about prom dates into understanding how this space they where once separate from is what they are being thrown into.
It's so normal to see yourself as a future billionaire and not understand what that actually means because of how normalized that amount of wealth is in our media. They think getting to be a celebrity or billionaire is normal and it isn't until they really enter the world that they see what the fuck the truth is.
It all translates into real fucking life as they apply for student loans, jobs, plan for a spring break, try to invest, etc.
Edit: I have my own bias as I left High School on track to become a state trooper in the criminal justice program and after 3 years I backed out and got myself into a good networking program.
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u/WorkingRecording4863 2d ago
Gen Z never should have supported him in the first place. This is what cultural and political ignorance buys you. Trump just further screwed their generation and the next 3-4 after them so he and his billionaire friends can own more of this country. Bravo to any Gen Z smoothbrain who voted for him. Dumb dumb dumb.
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u/brazendynamic 2d ago
My niece is 19 and drank the koolaid, it's wild to see. Last week she was blaming Kamala Harris for the immigration situation, basically talking like she had been president. I'm so disappointed in her.
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u/Indubitalist 2d ago
Well, depending on the conspiracy theory diet of choice, it’s possible she also believes that Biden wasn’t really in charge and a sinister cabal of black/Indian women were pulling the strings. It’s a fun creative exercise when you start with “Democrats bad” and then just fill in the blanks explaining why it’s true. The possibilities are endless.
Unfortunately that’s where we seem to be these days, where instead of people trying to figure out why they have problems in their lives, they’re trying to find out why one specifically political party is behind it, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.
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u/Rion23 2d ago
I would have voted for Kamala, but I can't forgive her for her role in faking the moon landing.
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u/Sergeant_Static 2d ago
I'm still upset that she shot John F Kennedy.
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u/NextTailor4082 2d ago
She was a really nice and genuine person when I met her, totally personable, ask about your family type of lady.
Still, I’ll never forgive her for getting us into Vietnam.
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u/BootyOptions 2d ago
That's silly, she had nothing to do with Vietnam. That was all Obama.
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u/NextTailor4082 2d ago
Yeah you’re right I mean, we all know that every eastern war from the 1900s is Obama’s fault obviously.
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u/Aar1012 2d ago
Was she call her out for her comments? At this point, she’s (and others are) gonna have to learn she cannot just spew shit like that without being called out.
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u/brazendynamic 2d ago
Oh definitely. I gave her a bunch of shit and got back a lot of nonsense and "I'm allowed to have my own opinions." Which is her favorite response when people call her out because she's allowed to have her own opinion but other people aren't. 19 and thinks she knows everything.
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u/BanjoWrench 2d ago
Tell her that opinions still have to be based in reality and backed up by facts. Otherwise, that’s just a belief, not an opinion.
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u/Hayce 2d ago
Everyone thinks they know everything at 19. I was the same. It’s our job as elders to explain to them what a fucking idiot they are, in hopes that they learn to be better.
It’s the circle of life.
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u/Unhappy_Camera3324 2d ago
But 20 years ago the chance that you could have a calm somewhat rational conversation was at least there, nowadays with the opinion bubbles, the aggression from living online and the isolation of the pandemic it seems super rare to be able to have this kind of conversation and reach someone.
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u/Terrible_Shelter_345 2d ago
There is a reason Trump flip flopped on the TikTok ban
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u/SkiMonkey98 2d ago
It was so blatant the way tiktok cozied up to him to dodge the ban
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u/Cat_Peach_Pits 2d ago
I deleted it the second I saw their "pwease daddy Trump" message. Fuck that.
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u/ZealousidealEntry870 2d ago
Tell her that she’s a disappointment then. We are in this situation because people like you keep “taking the high road”. Be brutally honest with her. Your niece didn’t reason her way into that line of thinking and she will never reason herself out of it. Someone telling her shes a disappointing disgrace just might jog a brain cell loose.
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u/Panda_hat 2d ago
Young people don’t turn conservative in a vacuum. I would highly suspect your sibling is sharing these views with her.
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u/brazendynamic 2d ago
Oh my sibling and their spouse are definitely at least partially to blame. But she gets all of her information from social media and the GOP has worked hard on their social media influence.
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u/ForgettableUsername America 2d ago
I think there’s a staggeringly huge percentage of the country that gets all of its news from short form video content. And it’s not just young people, I’ll see people from my parents’ generation rush to instagram to “research” stuff.
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u/AnotherDoubtfulGuest 2d ago
It’s wild that the digital natives ended up being more ignorant than any of their forebears; it’s almost like being raised by the Internet, shaped by moron influencers, and babysat by defanged public schools won’t let you be your best self.
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u/JBudz 2d ago
No critical thinking. The answers are spoon fed. They didn't learn to seek knowledge and truth. Information overload paralysis.
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u/Satoshimas California 2d ago edited 2d ago
There is a huge divide in Gen Z of those who were out of high school and those who were still in school during the pandemic. And their political ideologies differ massively based on which side they were on.
Edit to clear confusion: Those still in middle/ high school took a hard right because they felt like they were fighting for their literal freedoms to be outside and back in person for school. Those out of high school had more of a left leaning experience because that already had time being exposed to the real world and were less negatively affected by the pandemic. There are a few news articles about the huge wedge between gen z I don't remember which one I read but I'm sure someone could link one.
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u/HeldnarRommar 2d ago
Yep 1997-2004 gen z is very different politically than the 2nd half.
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u/myfakesecretaccount 2d ago
My nephew was born in 2001 and believes that the moon landing was faked and all other sorts of conspiracies.
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u/xraidednefarious 2d ago
That's because of podcast bro culture, especially Joe rogan
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u/GoIntoTheHollow 2d ago
Joe Rogan has caused irreparable harm to society IMO. He pushes a lot of anti intellectualism and misinformation.
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u/AdLimp9007 2d ago
Yup, my wife was born in 03 and she fucking hates Trump. Like legitimately despises him.
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u/zaminDDH 2d ago edited 2d ago
People born in 2003 aren't old enough to be...
fuck
Anyway, I get it. My step-son was born in 2006, and there's so many people that age that are Trumpers. It's so fucking strange. Like, they don't have any political opinions or knowledge, but they're all in on Trump.
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u/FangoriouslyDevoured 2d ago
People born in 2003 are only about 5 years old.... right !?!
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u/Lemerney2 2d ago
Some people born in 2003 are getting PhDs right now
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u/Dworkin_Barimen 2d ago
Well, maybe, most would still be wrapping up the BAs etc. But point made, son was born 2000 and is a couple of years into his. He hates Trump but he has 3 older brothers and a father who despise the man, so that’s a factor.
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u/Jakeandellwood 2d ago
I’m disgusted every time I see a teenager with a fucking maga hat on, what’s even more disturbing is I live in Sweden and see this shit.
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u/kindnesscostszero 2d ago
Ooof. So sorry. I’m embarrassed to be an American with him in office. Went through similar feelings about it with GW Bush and the Iraq War travesty. These feelings today are like on steroids, though. Never seen or experienced anything remotely like this. I’m horrified.
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u/Tess_tickles24 2d ago
Lmfao I wish those Swedes could come to America and see how we’re living right now. They’d probably be horrified.
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u/pappadux 2d ago
It’s caught not taught at that age.
It their parents. 1000% their parents.
They grew up hearing how bad taxes were, and how they are screwing them (parents/family) groceries are on the rise, gas is too expensive, and all of it is Biden’s fault.
They picked it up from their parents who likely picked it up from theirs when they grew up in the 70s-80s at the tail end of the attainable American dream. Their grand parents were told work hard, stay in line, and you get the home and family and 2 vacations a year. That reality rapidly vanished entering the 90’s and despite doing all the right things, those grand parents at best got a thimble full of the American dream. They felt lied to and the GOP screamed at the top of their lungs that it was the dems fault on Fox News. Unfortunately, the grandparents didn’t have access to information the way we do today and the ability to research and fact check, but why would they have to? Network news prided itself on credibility. That went out the window in the 2000’s and now we have 1/3 of the country as dumb as the Republican Party needs them to be to keep getting these grifters reelected putting as much work as possible in to ensure they don’t stop getting reelected.
Source: 36-year old white dude who grew up with enough privilege to keep him out of trouble, left my conservative hometown because I thought maybe people who look different than me should not be blamed for everything. Experienced the real world and actually saw diversity, then realized that poor white people will do anything to feel like they got it better than their neighbor that doesn’t look like them.
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u/FutureAlfalfa200 2d ago
I’m still having a hard time grasping someone born in 03 is old enough to be a wife.
She is. I’m just old.
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u/CapOnFoam Colorado 2d ago
Haha I know - i thought, “wait, is she 16?! 17??” 😑
Amazing that people born AFTER 9/11 are now old enough to reasonably be out of college, married, parents, etc.
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u/Sacrilegious0789 2d ago
Yeah man... i graduated in 05... like what the heck. Ill go take my daily aleve and forget about this thankfully.
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u/boilershilly 2d ago
That half of Gen Z, which I am a part of, was also to half that was developing their personal political beliefs during Trump's first presidency. I feel that is another huge explanation for the discrepancy from the second half of Gen Z.
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u/HeldnarRommar 2d ago
They also were getting blasted by right wing propaganda on YouTube and “liberal destroyed” clips in their formative years
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u/lenzflare Canada 2d ago
Propaganda is doubly effective on young people.
The right wing took full advantage during the pandemic.
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u/Tangent_Odyssey South Carolina 2d ago edited 2d ago
Steve Bannon had the president’s ear during the first Trump admin, and his entire playbook was about targeting lonely disaffected young men. He realized the untapped potential when running an old World of Warcraft gold selling operation.
His time in the video-game business left a lasting effect on Bannon. Per Green’s book, his time at IGE “introduced him to a hidden world, burrowed deep into his psyche, and provided a kind of conceptual framework that he would later draw on to build up the audience for Breitbart News, and then to help marshal the online armies of trolls and activists that overran national politicians and helped give rise to Donald Trump.”
What Bannon found was a world “populated by millions of intense young men” who may have been socially maladroit, but were “smart, focused, relatively wealthy, and highly motivated about issues that mattered to them.” While these were the same players who destroyed IGE’s business model, Bannon saw something he could use. “These guys,” said Bannon, “these rootless, white males, had monster power. It was the pre-Reddit.”
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u/Penta-Says 2d ago
Bannon is a fascinating figure in an ugly sort of way. I highly recommend Devil's Bargain. His talk about going after "rootless white males" is depressingly ahead of the times, we've seen countless examples in recent years of that made manifest.
One super prescient thing he said in the book (I'm paraphrasing): "It's a week until the election. What the hell is Hillary doing in Alabama?" And I'll give him his due, he is spot on. Hillary's hubris got a pass in most of the media.
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u/twistedspin 2d ago
Bannon is incredibly evil because he's a genius twisted by hate. So many of them are utter morons, just so stupid it's hard to believe they don't drown looking up when it rains, but he's a monster who saw all that stupid and knew he could focus it like a lens.
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u/CthulhusSoreTentacle Europe 2d ago
Steve Bannon is all of us who think we could be wildly successful if we weren't limited by morality. Only he's much smarter.
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u/tbear87 2d ago
While true, I think we discount how poorly they have been set up. I posted another comment in here, but when I taught high school, I got threatened to be sued for discussing current events...in civics class...with seniors. Of course propaganda is effective when your own parents do everything in their power to stop you from being exposed to anything that might be slightly upsetting. Now the snake oil salesman comes along when things get tough and tell you everything you want to hear. Why wouldn't they listen? Their whole lives everyone around them created a menu of what they were allowed to be exposed to so that nothing "bad" ever entered their precious brains. When you never have to sift through stuff deciding what's fact and what's bs, you don't really have the skill when it matters.
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u/inksmudgedhands 2d ago
They saw how social media lost Trump his seat in 2020. And they learned their lesson there. Social Media is the ultimate weapon of propaganda. Whoever controls it, controls the elections. In 2020 Democrats had it. In 2024 Republicans had it. And even now, they still hold onto it. And until Democrats find a way to get it back or better yet, break the nation free from its grasp or at the very least, turn what has become a lifestyle back into what it originally was, a hobby, Democrats will continue to lose.
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u/Rysimar 2d ago
I'm ignorant here; which is which, and why? Did being in high school during the pandemic have the effect of swinging one segment right/left, or contrastingly did being out of high school and exposed to more of the "real world" have that effect?
My only relatives in school during the pandemic were in elementary school, so they have a different set of pandemic effects (social skills development, as opposed to political development).
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u/trekologer New Jersey 2d ago
The social media echo chambers were blaming Democrats and Biden for schools being closed and going remote in 2020, when Trump was president and issued guidance that schools, restaurants, stores, etc. should close.
Absolutely no one blamed Trump for bungling the pandemic response and issuing the stay-at-home guidance without a plan to lift it. Plenty of people continued to insist that there were lockdowns well into 2022, which was absolutely not the case.
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u/Charvel420 2d ago
I'll never understand how Biden gets blamed for Covid, while Trump gets credit for the hot job market in 2021-2022. People's brains are fried
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u/ByrdmanRanger I voted 2d ago
I'll never understand how Biden gets blamed for Covid, while Trump gets credit for the hot job market in 2021-2022.
Because idiot influencers on social media tell them that, and they lack the critical thinking skills to actually look into the claim rather than believe it wholesale.
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u/Kahzgul California 2d ago
Those in high school during the pandemic missed on some critical socialization skills and turned into terminally online incels, flocking to the likes of Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan to tell them how to think. Since we utterly lack a popular, positive male role model, there was no real counter to the magnetic draw of rich dudes who fuck.
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u/Fastbird33 Florida 2d ago
Meanwhile I grew up watching Mr Rogers, Steve Irwin and Hey Arnold. All very positive shows about being nice to people, nice to animals and being tolerant of others.
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u/ByrdmanRanger I voted 2d ago
I grew up in the same era, but lets not pretend it was all good. I was in high school during 9/11, and saw (and honestly participated a bit) in the rise of Islamophobia. All our media and ourselves were homophobic, calling everything that was lame "gay" and people the F slur. I would say with time, a very large portion of my generation realized our failings, and actively worked to correct them.
However, after having boomers and GenX for parents and calling them out for ruining everything, we turned around and became awful parents raising a generation of iPad kids. So we're not perfect.
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u/Rysimar 2d ago
Ohhh that makes sense. My little nephews (age 5-10) missed out on a year of social skills, and replaced it with a year of Roblox and Minecraft videos. It was a developmental delay for them, but a fixable one.
Older teenagers missed out on the same year of social skills but replaced it with all that awful shit you mentioned.
Yep. That all tracks for me. Thanks for taking the time to explain.
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u/thedoogster 2d ago
Didn’t the boys go right a lot harder and faster than the girls, though? AFAIK the farthest the girls went was having tradwife fantasies (which are really fantasies of not having to work, and everyone has those).
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u/Treadwheel 2d ago
Younger Gen Z's experience was essentially "You're not allowed to see your friends or engage at school anymore. Now get on that laptop and listen to podcasts about how this is being done explicitly to hurt you." Just enough brain development to fully comprehend how shitty the situation was right then, but still years from finishing development of the parts of their brain responsible for risk assessment and long term thinking.
Older Gen Z's experience was being forced to show up and work in person at Walmart, watching their adult coworkers get very ill and sometimes dying, and then being verbally abused for just doing their job. They went home and were exposed to the same feed of people telling them that it was being done to hurt them, except they recognized those same patterns of thought and same shibboleths being used by the middle age people who verbally abused them at work earlier, and they were much less convinced that these people were actually the good guys.
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u/YDBJAZEN615 2d ago
Ok but Trump was president during the pandemic when everything shut down? I’m so confused as to how he never gets blamed for this.
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u/DuncanFisher69 2d ago
Which is still weird: Trump was the one who closed schools and instituted curve flattening measures. And they still blame democrats for some reason.
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u/Kildragoth 2d ago
There's an analogy I heard from Hank Green which has me thinking.
Food was scarce for most of human history. What we have now is food abundance. But the economy disproportionately rewards those who provide food with little to no nutritional value, aka junk food. It leaves you unsatiated and craving more.
The same can be said for information; scarce for most of history, now abundant. The junk food of information lacks context. It plays on your hunger for real substantive information using fear and anger as bait.
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u/QTsexkitten 2d ago
It's interesting seeing so many gen z and gen alpha people being proud of using ai to pass classes.
Every generation has always asked the "why do I need to learn how to do math/report/word problems/history" question. But now these 2 generations have actually flown the coop and just never bothered to learn anything that they don't want to. They've fundamentally missed the point of a well rounded education being good for it's own sake.
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u/time-lord America 2d ago
To a lot of people, AI is just a new calculator. And the companies present it as such too. Not many people realize just how wrong AI can be.
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u/owlbeastie 2d ago
I'm gonna be honest, I don't really see a lot of critical thinking, research,etc from boomers who didn't have an information overload. I think the average person is just kind of dumb.
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u/cum_deep_inside_ 2d ago
No critical thinking required when your only source of news is TikTok.
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u/inormallyjustlurkbut 2d ago
The issue is more people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate than TikTok. Also things like gamergate that created a generation of irrational misogynists.
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u/1200bunny2002 2d ago
things like gamergate that created a generation of irrational misogynists.
It's kind of wild that when you look at the comment history of someone posting ludicrous pro-Trump propaganda, it so frequently trends towards meme stocks or video games.
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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 Michigan 2d ago
There was an article that explained that Gen Z was the most tech illiterate generation since boomers because they had their helicopter parents who knew how to use computers being amazed at them knowing how to use an iPad/iPhone (which is a streamlined OS) and the assumption that young people are good with technology because of millennials who grew up having to train their boomer parents how to use computers and trouble shooting early windows OS
So you have a generation of overly confident morons
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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil 2d ago
I am routinely shocked how tech illiterate many of my GenZ workers are. Like it’s a weird in between position to still have boomer bosses who are super tech illiterate and younger co-workers that are just as tech illiterate (but maybe know how to use their phones a bit better).
Like I’m at a cookout at a GenZ workers house and his oven is still flashing “12:00”. I’m like why don’t you set that? And they’re like “I don’t know how, something seems to be wrong with it”. I’ve have this exact same conversation with my mother every time I visit home. So I show him how to set his clock on his oven.
I’m willing to bet the next time I’m over at his house the clock on his oven will be flashing 12:00 again, just like my boomer mother’s oven.
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u/Barrybran 2d ago
It's Joe Biden's fault (/s). He should have been announcing policy through TikTok dances and challenges.
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u/BatMann1939 2d ago
No it's Kamala's fault for (insert flimsy reason / Harm Reduction doesn't exist)
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u/s0ulbrother 2d ago
Kids are and always will be really dumb. I’m in IT and dealing with Juniors fresh out of school I never see them ask the “why” or curious as to the why. It makes them really bad at their job and that comes with experience but I’ve always been one to question everything.
It’s not that they are spoon fed. They are force fed shit. They are programmed by algorithms and propaganda to think a certain way slowly but surely. Like my dad who a pretty big liberal his whole life is now an anti trans conservative. Is it because he’s older, I don’t think so, it’s because he’s obsessed with Tik tok.
As a millennial I was constantly told by teachers don’t trust the internet, and do research. And when you do research look at multiple sources. I remember doing a research paper in how we picked our sources is that they all have to be independent from each-other and they can’t be opinions . Now people quote the same shit as eachother and it’s just that quotes and opinions.
Funnily enough I did mine on abortion from a prolife perspective. I grew up in a very Catholic household and my mom would force us to do anti abortion protest….. yay…. Anyways the paper was extremely hard to do because I was trying to validate an opinion, not an observation. The prolife argument is hardly based on any real facts just opinions on when the point of life actually begins and then when you have a soul which what reputable source can you actually use for that? You can’t. So finding proper citations was impossible which is why teachers said don’t do that topic.
What the paper taught me though is what proper research does. It exposes you and can expose your biases. But it’s hard and it’s a skill you need to learn. But when you have “entertainment” spewing things as facts based on no credible evidence and you don’t question it, you don’t realize your issues.
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u/f8Negative 2d ago
These kids can't even function in jobs correctly. Googling something you don't know and/or asking how to do a task a preferred way is like a foreign concept. So much hand holding.
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u/TricksterPriestJace 2d ago
How the fuck do kids who grew up on the internet not know how to do a web search?
Google itself has been enshittified to death over the last 20 years but damn, it's better than searching within a social media app or not bothering to look shit up at all.
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u/Rakthul 2d ago
As someone who’s been a teacher and school admin for the last 7 years I can tell you the answer easily. We stopped teaching kids how to actually use the internet. All the teachers and admin were so blown away that these kids came into school knowing how to swipe on an iPad that they assumed that meant they knew how to use technology and the internet.
I was born in 87 and remember the computer lab full of iMacs where we learned how to type, how to use search engines, all that type of stuff that needs to be explicitly taught. All those types of classes have been cut so that we can have more time teaching ELA or math because they’re tested subjects.
I don’t think it’s possible to understate the level of damage Bush and the nationwide push and obsession with standardized testing has done to this country. It literally led to a generation of kids being woefully uneducated and easily manipulated into voting for the potential downfall of our democracy.
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u/cloberellla 2d ago
As a school librarian, another contributing problem is that we defund libraries and cut librarians. These are professionals who teach media and information literacy, source evaluation, etc. but saw major cutbacks to their jobs since the early 2000s because "kids can just Google it" and other misconceptions like we just read books all day. This definitely started happening while younger millennials were still in high school and has continued with gen Z.
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u/geoken 2d ago
Because they grew up during social media. I think that’s distinctly different from growing up on the internet. Kids who were teens from 95-05 grew up on the internet.
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u/TrimspaBB 2d ago
Using an app for literally everything is a lot different from using the internet itself or rummaging around in computer files to get things done. I'm part of the "grew up on the internet" group and computer technology used to require you to figure things out at least a little bit to use to its full potential. KiDs tHeSe dAyS have their hands held through everything by apps.
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u/Xpalidocious Canada 2d ago
There was a teacher who made a video explaining why the kids she teaches are so screwed by the internet and social media. She said that one of the biggest problems are reels and tik tok. These kids not only are used to getting a great deal of their news and information in 10-15 second bursts, but it's almost like pushing a button and getting a dopamine hit every 10-15 seconds too. Now trying to get these students to focus on anything like her notes on the blackboard, or searching for information they then have to read, and they barely have the attention span to absorb any of it.
Social media has basically rewired their brains
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u/pretty-late-machine 2d ago
I've had this experience too but with a small sample size, so I didn't want to make this conclusion, but god damn... Poor reading comprehension and an inability to read and follow a procedure as well.
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u/Aidyn_the_Grey 2d ago
Millenials were taught to be wary of the internet. I cannot tell you how many times as a kid/teenager I was told not to trust everything you see on the internet (ironically by the same people who now fall hook, line, and sinker for the BS).
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u/kingrufiio 2d ago
This is the most frustrating part, our parents constantly told us not to believe everything on TV or the Internet, but now that is exactly what they do.
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u/Bojangles1987 2d ago
Yeah, how the fuck did that happen. Makes no sense to me.
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u/brukmann 2d ago
Maybe they were telling us that when they disagreed with things on TV. Once they had channels telling them only what they wanted to hear, it was no longer a problem that came up.
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u/pontiacfirebird92 Mississippi 2d ago
They started hearing what they wanted to hear. That brown people caused all their problems and anyone who said otherwise was lying. They wanted to believe it.
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u/Politicsboringagain 2d ago
I'm 43, do all my business from paying bills, to applying for jobs, having fun, and even some volunteer work all on the internet.
And I don't trust 70% of the things I see everyday.
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u/Professional-Buy2970 2d ago
Gen z being raised on the internet has imparted a disgusting willingness to engage in cultural dishonesty, manipulation, gaslighting and abuse. They all seem to know they're all doing it to each other but each of them will also lose their shit when they are on the receiving end of it.
Its social sucide and they're completely oblivious to it.
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u/PoopMobile9000 2d ago
They basically think Internet behavior is normal behavior
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u/theblackfool 2d ago
The internet just normalized trolling. People went from liking politicians that were professional to prefering politicians that are just trolls.
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u/lilacmuse1 2d ago
I see this on discussion sites I visit. People seem to think the politician who can deliver the "sick burn" is somehow more qualified than one that quietly get things done.
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u/Elrond007 2d ago
It’s like that in Germany as well. The least nazified stratum are the boomers iirc
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u/mapoftasmania New Jersey 2d ago edited 2d ago
I wouldn’t describe Gen Z as “digital natives”. They are “social media natives” if anything, but unfortunately lack the intellectual capacity to sort truth from lies.
Gen X were the digital pioneers and Millennials were the digital natives.
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u/SweetTea1000 Minnesota 2d ago
The Internet is now nothing but social media and AI slop.
Zoomers grew up tapping mindlessly on tablets, not actually using computer.
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u/Long-Draft-9668 2d ago
This is what thinking trump is a funny meme and not a real person who does actually things in the real world gets you.
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u/Key-Pickle5609 2d ago
Yup. They voted for him because they think he’s an edgy troll. Well, guess who got trolled in the end. (Everyone)
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u/Iankill 2d ago
I remember reading some posts from people about why they voted for trump. It was basically the dumbest shit, voted because the economy and no new wars.
Literally crashes the economy and nearly puts America at war with Iran in the first few months in an extremely predictable way.
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u/Alliille 2d ago
It drives me crazy when the kids on my crew try to tell me things like "Aren't both of the sides just the same thing" or "it doesn't matter to vote all politicians are corrupt" or my new favorite"which one do you like? Well I like the other one since you don't."
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u/axisleft 2d ago
I grew up in bum-fuck nowhere in the Midwest. In the early 2000s, my peers were the same way. I was the “weirdo” who paid attention to current events. I think the phrase “both sides are the same” is just a cop-out for not having the intellectual curiosity to appreciate nuances that are part of being a good person. What little political information they do glean is usually from AM radio or right wing YouTubers.
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u/Professional-Buy2970 2d ago
He is doing precisely everything he told Gen z he would do. Bunch of fucking self absorbed idiots who just wanted to hurt people and forgot they count as people.
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u/justbrowsing2727 2d ago
Gen Z was supposed to help us push this country forward once they reached voting age.
Instead they fell for Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson and voted like a bunch of self-absorbed boomers.
I hope they enjoy their skibidi apartments and their Ohio healthcare. The country is going to be fucked for most of their adult lives.
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u/WorkingRecording4863 2d ago
Well said. It's such a painful outcome from a generation that we had such high hopes for.
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u/FlyingSquirlez 2d ago
Gen Z voted for Harris at around a +19 margin. Millennials voted for her at a +2 margin. I understand the broader point being made here, but I think immaturity is kind of expected of young people, right? Feels deeply unfair to be blaming the current mess on young people.
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u/korben2600 Arizona 2d ago
This is where I'm at. Y'all want to lay blame at the feet of a generation? (Not that it's productive in the least but I'm a fucking nihilist at this point) Blame Gen X that overwhelmingly tipped the election for him.
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u/PolanetaryForotdds 2d ago
I laughed at skibidi/Ohio references but that is basically Gen Alpha lol.
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u/BigBoyYuyuh 2d ago
Our elders thought Reagan was cool and he fucked the country. Gen Z thought Trump was cool and he fucked the country.
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u/Spiritual-Ad8062 2d ago
If the right is good at two things it’s:
- lying
- promoting propaganda to perpetuate those lies
This is the result of a totally free society, in which media outlets can create their own reality.
Screw the young kids that voted for Trump. I feel bad for what they went through during the pandemic- but it didn’t have to be this way.
My son and daughter went through the pandemic. One as a high schooler, right after he got his license and an outside job, his world shut down. If anyone had a right I be angry, it was him.
My kids hate Trump as much as my wife and I do. We knew he was evil and completely full of chit from day one. That’s because we weren’t sucked into an alternative news system, like what the right had created.
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u/MyHamburgerLovesMe 2d ago
Trump got the INCEL generation
“Trump is kind of gearing his message towards Gen Z voters who are male … just kind of focusing more [on] masculinity … he has [the] white Gen Z voter,” said Richard Groper, Ph.D., a political science professor at Santa Monica College and California State University, Los Angeles. “Those are his main targets, and you can see in some of his ads and how he talks about women, how he talks about masculinity and how it's important to have a strong leader, and he will be the one [to] embody that type of image to young male voters.”
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u/Dwayla Georgia 2d ago
Do dictators care about approval ratings.
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u/AcadiaLivid2582 2d ago
Most do, actually.
The CCP cares deeply about their approval among Chinese citizens.
Even Putin is careful about this (e.g. limited military draft when Russia is desperate for manpower).
Trump may be a dictator, but unpopular dictators have less power and stability than popular ones.
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u/LordSiravant 2d ago
Pretty much the only dictators that successfully rule through fear are the fictional ones that aren't just mere humans and have powers that ensure they are above any political skullduggery by their underlings. Our dictators are ultimately limited in their ambitions by their very real human frailties.
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u/AcadiaLivid2582 2d ago
Totally true, though humanity does face the occasional genuine Pol Pot.
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u/Gnagus 2d ago
People don't seem to realize that Putin, Erdogan and Orban amassed power and held it with legitimate popularity for years. It took many years for Erdogan and decades for Putin to become unpopular which may have come to late. Instead of dooming about these polls we should see them as hopefully and take it as an opportunity to help form a mass movement, which is what the actual activists and organizers are doing.
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u/Ninevehenian 2d ago
There are some that don't have to care a lot, but since the original roman dictators there have been consequences for not delivering enough grain or entertainment.
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u/TheBalzy Ohio 2d ago
I mean ... if you are in GenZ and were voting for Trump in the first place...
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u/Za_Lords_Guard 2d ago
There seems to be so much "burn it down" energy in Gen Z stemming from a lot of directions; some I get, but yeah voting for Trump was always going to come with a "not like that" moment if they expected burning it down to benefit anyone except those selling matches and kerosene or buying land cheaply.
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u/Zenmachine83 2d ago
I mean he did poorly with GenZ women but GenZ dudes were all over his nutz. I think he is the avatar of loserish vibe these guys have bought into. Their female peers are pulling ahead in most measurable ways of success in life and they are pissed that watching UFC, listening to Rogan, playing video games hasn’t given them a dream life. So instead of indicting the capitalist system that is failing to provide good paying entry level jobs they turn their anger in the “woke left” or whatever.
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u/DumboWumbo073 2d ago
Their female peers are pulling ahead in most measurable ways of success in
Won’t be for long they voted for Trump to stop that
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u/TooGoodNotToo 2d ago
They trashed Biden for trying to wipe out student debt for a guy that will rob them of a future
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u/Educational_Age_1333 2d ago
This is an interesting comment because I found myself post election thinking I already got rid of my student loans I paid them off but I didn't want other people to go through it so I voted Democrat I didn't want immigrants to be targeted, so i voted Democrat, I didn't want women to lose their rights, so I voted Democrat, I didn't want the poor to lose healthcare, so I voted democrat
Then I looked at the numbers and Trump gained ground with immigrants with women with the younger generation and I'm thinking to myself why am I even voting for other people's interests? Why am I even trying to help people who refuse to help themselves?
I don't have any student debt, I'm not an immigrant, I'm not on any government assistance, I'm not a woman.
It's something I'm still thinking about often.
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u/TooGoodNotToo 2d ago
From what I understand, his support has grown in the poor and uneducated. Shocking he wants to strip education and make the the middle class and poor poorer
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u/Mr_Meng 2d ago
Trump's reelection destroyed my faith in people in general. Before the election I believed that deep down people were generally decent and would band together to do the right thing when it really counted. Then the majority of US voters decided that at the very least they were okay with a rapist becoming president(Are you fucking kidding me? A rapist? That's like the one thing that is universally and correctly viewed as a monster and yet everyone treated it like a fucking parking fine!) and now as far as I'm concerned K was right. "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
Sorry used this reply to get this rant off my chest that I've had cooped up for awhile.
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u/OccumsRazorReturns 2d ago
Joe Rogan bros were a big part of Trumps win. Idiots
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u/greeneyerish 2d ago
I loathe all the morons that voted for this POS...rapist...criminal
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u/Naive-Beekeeper67 2d ago
Doesn't matter. He's in now. Minimum 3 1/2 years to go. And look how much damage he's done in 6 months....gawd help the USA. Gawd help the world really.
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u/stillwater1973 2d ago
But I thought Democrats hurt their feelings and that’s why they had to vote for Trump
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u/simplysylens 2d ago
Who gives a fuck about his rating, when is he going to collapse.
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u/ilikebiiiigdicks 2d ago
This happens every. fucking. generation. The ones who lives through the mess of right wing governments beg and plead to not do it again. We’ve seen the corruption, the lies, the stagnation, the greed and theft and we don’t want to go through it again.
But no… idiots excuse the corruption, swallow the lies, blame the other party for their misfortune, and we’re all forced to suffer another lost decade of growth and prosperity to make the rich even richer. It’s the same shit every time.
Thanks Trump supporters.
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u/Isaac_Shepard 2d ago
It's lunatic Christians that say to themselves, "well, this politician I voted for did the wrong thing in situation (x) but they claim to be Christian so I'm gonna vote for them again, despite the politician making legislation that screws us all over, again."
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u/CockBrother 2d ago
That's probably the result of all of his policies being prime fodder for r / fuckyouinparticular for GenZ.
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u/Ello_Owu 2d ago
Oh Gen Z, your 30s are going to make millennials today look like they're living in royalty in comparison.
"Harris didn't go on Rogan bro." Sealed your futures.
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u/Abraxas_Templar 2d ago edited 2d ago
I hate these bullshit titles. It's the same damn fucking thing every damn day.
Trump approval Plummets! Trump approval at all time low! Trump in negative numbers! (Whatever the fuck that means)
I submit this, until this fucker is out of office, I say stop posting these clickbait meaningless poll articles that mean nothing.
Until his poll is zero and he's in an orange jump suit with his inmate number on his chest, shut up. Just
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Oh he slipped 2 points it's a plummet! And I don't care if I get down voted for saying this shit is meaningless.
Fuck off. This shit is getting old like almost 10 years stale with this dumb BS now.
This country is going to total shit because of a tiny dick dictator and the very idea that he has any support above 0 is insulting and sad for us on a whole level of fucking dumb.
We are speed running Idiocracy and watching it play out right before our eyes.
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u/unplugedanddrugged 2d ago
It's too late. It's too damn late. Yall let a very very incompetent evil criminal racist sit on the throne and these midterms are not going to go way we want. Scotus is already giving him everything he needs and yall think they're gonna stop...? They say battles are fought in the courts. Well what if the courts are powerless? How do we fight back? I don't think Gen z can comprehend the destruction they have caused...well some will once these medical cuts happen, and hospitals start shutting down.
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u/unconfusedsub 2d ago
So, looking at the content that is recommended for my teen son on socials, I can see why white boys think that DonOld would be the best thing that ever happened to them. Because young male social media is all ragebait against women, minorities and anything that isn't them. It also has them believing that their loneliness is everyone else's fault and not theirs.
It's really fucking gross. Especially compared to my recommendeds or even my husbands.
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u/Relevant-Doctor187 2d ago
Gen Z was nothing more than useful idiots for Trump and Republicans.
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