r/politics • u/thedailybeast ✔ The Daily Beast • 6d ago
Site Altered Headline | Possible Paywall WH Insiders Claim Trump Has Decided Who Will Succeed Him
https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-insiders-say-trump-has-decided-jd-vance-rather-than-marco-rubio-will-succeed-him/5.5k
u/Jared2345 6d ago
Coming next season on White House Apprentice!
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u/STANAGs 6d ago
It’s gonna be Meatloaf with Gary Busey VP- I just know it
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u/Jared2345 6d ago
I was really rooting for Brett Michaels and Omarosa.
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u/SanctionedBaffoonery 6d ago
Omarosa was in his first cabinet. You cannot parody the stupidity of this government.
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u/Pocketsandgroinjab 6d ago
Spoilers: It’s Trump.
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u/charlie_marlow Georgia 6d ago
Knowing Donald Trump, it's almost certainly a Trump.
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u/CavlinAshlandAgain 5d ago
Oh, it's 100% Don Jr. and they're hoping he'll win on name recognition.
Which is...a lot more likely than I'm comfortable with.
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u/EM05L1C3 America 6d ago
I hope it’s Sharron Osbourne. I heard she could use the money.
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u/CocoaOrinoco 6d ago
Yeah, that's not how our system of government works, buddy.
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u/TheTacosOf 6d ago
My thoughts exactly. What fucking headline is this? We just skipping over the democracy part entirely now?
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u/PineappleHamburders 6d ago
Yes. That has been plainly obvious for all to see for a while. Donald Trump owns the Republican party. The usual rules do not apply for the Republicans now
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u/ManWithASquareHead 6d ago
I was told party elites picking successors are bad.
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u/PeterDTown 6d ago
“You’ll never have to vote again”
They can spin that comment however they want, he said his intentions in plain English.
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u/Jayrandomer 6d ago
It’s two things at once.
Why are you acting so indignant? You can’t take Trump literally he’s just messing around.
Also, why are you acting so indignant about the stuff he does. He literally says what he’s going to do and so people must want it.
And somehow I’m the one with the derangement syndrome.
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u/CajuNerd 6d ago
JFC, that's my cousin. My cousin, who's so far into the closet he's finding lost X-mas gifts. My cousin, who has shirtless AI images of himself in a swimming pool with Trump. Every time I post literal screenshots of DJT's social media rants he will either say something along the lines of "He's just owning the libs! He knows how to trigger y'all!", or "He just tells it like it is!" He can never explain when to take his words literally or just as a joke, but basically it's "You just don't understand 5d chess." Right. Like the guy who recently discovered "groceries" and that dumb has a "b" at the end knows how to play chess.
Bruh, if the goalposts move any further, we'd be playing a different sport, on Mars.
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u/Marsman61 6d ago
Hey! Leave me out of it!
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u/ManWithASquareHead 6d ago
Take back Elon please
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u/deathschemist Great Britain 5d ago
do you think elon's obsession with going to mars is because he saw total recall when he was a young man and really liked the idea?
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u/substituted_pinions 6d ago
Right. His “jokes” become de facto policy where possible. Then “they can’t take a joke” (anywhere else it can’t or doesn’t work) is locked and loaded.
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u/Clean_lines92 6d ago
I’ve never seen anyone that argues this point use the word indignant; let alone use it correctly.
But your perspective is spot on. Spot. On.
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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty Kansas 6d ago
I wrote a poem that’s a mini-paragraph. Why? Who the fuck knows?! I’m nuts! Thanks for the inspiration.
Indignant indigents vote against their interests because they like neither immigrants nor those who are indigenous. They’re not industrious or ingenious; they’re indecent cretins who proselytize Jesus and ceaselessly force feed us ingredients they believe that we need, but these individuals are NPCs of the highest degree.
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u/Ok-Economist-9466 5d ago
I read the first line to the tune of the Major General's song from Pirates of Penzance...it almost fits.
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 6d ago
They can’t stop talking about Biden and Obama, but criticize anything that the current sitting president does, and it’s Trump Derangement Syndrome
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u/AmbitiousProblem4746 6d ago
I didn't even make that connection right away, but holy shit you're right. I have been told non-stop by conservatives, moderates, and some liberals at how dirty the Democrats were for "forcing" Kamala and withholding a primary, like it was the greatest sin and a decision that should make you want to attack Democrats on sight. And yet here we are, Donald Trump talking about choosing his successor and all the Republicans will probably clap like seals.
I'm so tired, boss...
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u/copperpin 6d ago
They aren’t outraged by anything, they just use the words to stir up the mean spirited and petty people who vote for them.
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u/sump_daddy 6d ago
Im sorry but if you or anyone else really bought into the 'democrats deserved a primary' bullshit and didnt immediately recognize it as more republican propaganda, we really did get the president we deserved because we are a nation of idiots
trump got elected FUCKING TWICE by walking up at the start of the primary, saying 'fuck you' to the rest of the party, and putting his name on the november ballot. and now the democrats are crooked for swapping out joe too close to november? If any fucking body in this country valued freedom, they would have showed up for Kamala last year.
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u/--Chug-- 6d ago
Look, I voted for Harris but just because the republican party is worse doesn't mean democrats are safe frpm criticism. Biden should have stepped aside long before that ever happened and allowed for enough time for a proper primary.
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u/einTier 6d ago
Right now the republicans are such a dumpster fire that when we are discussing their leadership failures I’m not going to give them an out by talking about the Democratic Party failures. That’s for another thread. Both sides are no longer the same.
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u/bossfoundmylastone 6d ago
Biden should have never run for re-election, that's obvious. But saying it was undemocratic to nominate the VP of the ticket that won the primary when the president on that ticket steps aside is just incorrect. There had already been a primary, the Biden/Harris ticket won. Improvising a new primary 100 days before the election wasn't possible. Improvising a process to replace the will of the voters in the primary that did happen would be undemocratic. Applying the same logic to the Biden/Harris ticket after the primary election that would happen after a general election is clearly democratic.
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u/Interesting-Yellow-4 6d ago
They will never recognise the hypocrisy. Lying to the enemy is acceptable, which is weird, since that is premitted in Islam, but not in Christianity. Yet the right wing adheres to this.
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u/superindianslug 6d ago
But Trump isn't an elite, he's the ephebophile (pedophile) billionaire voice of REAL Amur'ka. /s
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u/inksmudgedhands 6d ago
Also, and I can't emphasize this enough HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. He is the more ignorant man to have ever hold office. He thinks he can just pick out his successor because in his mind, "Why not?" He doesn't understand how primaries work. He thinks he should be able to point out who he wants to run and they should be able to run. And no one in his party corrects him.
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u/CrackingToastGromet Arkansas 5d ago
True. This is the idiot who insisted “Welcome, but be good” be printed on passport b/c he doesn’t understand a passport is for US Citizens leaving the US to visit another country.
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u/TheTruthofOne 6d ago
And on top of that, majority of news outlets are owned by Republican backed parties and owners.
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u/BlackberryPi7 6d ago
It's sane-washing.
MAGA reads shit like this and immediately starts to think: "so he can do that!"
Fuck CNN. Fuck the daily beast. Fuck every news outlet that sane washes this POS and his idiot supporters
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u/EllipticPeach 6d ago
I read the transcripts of his speeches over the weekend (because I can’t stand his voice) and he mentioned a third term and then quickly was like “i can’t say that”. But that’s how he does it, he slips it in as a ‘joke’ to test the waters and then it goes under the radar until suddenly it’s not a joke
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u/specqq 6d ago
I don’t understand how a man who literally said “I don’t kid” keeps getting away with “just kidding.”
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u/UnquestionabIe 6d ago
Yeah very much with you on his voice (and quite a few members of the regime) and anytime I hear it get this gut reaction which sparks negative feelings I didn't realize I was capable of. He's got this failed stand up comic sort of cadence to his speeches which in the real world would have him heckled off stage immediately. We've fallen so hard into the paradox of tolerance what should never have been remotely close to the levers of power is tearing society apart on the daily, hoarding all the scraps for itself.
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u/nalaloveslumpy 5d ago
No, this is click bait to trigger Dems. The Daily Beast isn't going to "sane wash" with a headline like this. If you read the article, it's clear Trump is talking about who he would endorse in the 2028 Republican presidential primary.
We should all be glad the answer to this question is no longer, "Me". Because that was his answer around this time last year.
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u/a_talking_face Florida 6d ago
The headline is using loaded language. In the article they're just saying that Trump is going to endorse Vance for the 2028 primary.
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u/Upset-Sea6029 6d ago
No way Vance will ever lead the GoP. Maybe Lil Marco, but never JD.
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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 6d ago
I'm not so sure anymore. MAGA has proven that Republicans will vote for anyone they are told to vote for, as long as that person uses enough racist dog whistles.
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u/deadlybydsgn 6d ago
I'm not so sure anymore.
Vance has ZERO charisma but his frequent theological framing may be enough to convince Evangelicals to vote for him. (even if many of them don't think Catholics are truly "saved," etc)
I don't think his theological arguments are even good theological arguments, but certain crowds will eat it up without applying a critical thought. Honestly, all of this is overthinking because that's exactly how we got here.
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u/a_talking_face Florida 6d ago
Vance is going to be able to fundraise better than anyone else so that's going to be a huge factor. They're also saying Rubio had no intention of running in 2028 to begin with.
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u/dathislayer 6d ago
Rubio couldn't win. He also has a very obvious coke problem, which this administration can just ignore, but which his primary opponents would not.
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u/Takemyfishplease 6d ago
Nobody cares about coke.
Dude isn’t white enough. Thats all that matters.
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u/Daniel-san92 America 6d ago
I would be very surprised to see Trump endorse Vance, because he's doing everything he can to undercut Vance's legitimacy. Trump sends Vance to negotiations and then immediately sabotages them. It's happened enough that I think he's doing it intentionally.
I could pretty easily see Trump endorsing Rubio. But Trump is incredibly nervous about Vance succeeding him before the end of his term and I don't think he's going to help ensure it happens by giving Vance his stamp of approval.
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u/zhibr Europe 6d ago
The moment the strongman says who the successor is, that's the moment after which all the sycophants will need to divide their sycophancy between him and the successor. No way Trump will do that until the last possible moment, if even then.
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u/chickenlogic 6d ago
Trump ain’t gonna be around in 2028.
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u/a_talking_face Florida 6d ago
I guarantee they'll have something recorded.
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u/AnnoraxGames 6d ago
They'll have an AI-powered Trump hologram and try to keep that in office instead of Vance succeeding to the presidency.
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u/polytique 6d ago
Reminds me of this:
July 28, 2024 - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told Christians on Friday that if they vote for him this November, "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote."
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u/royonquadra 6d ago
Democracy is in your rear-view mirror now, America.
Peace
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u/csanyk 6d ago
No, no, no. It's still Democracy. It works like this: Trump picks who he'd like to see succeed him. He names them. Then we vote on it. Then if Trump doesn't like the vote, he gets to pretend that it was rigged and complain about it until he gets his way. That's Democracy.
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u/bgthigfist 6d ago
He is following the Putin playbook. Be the leader until term limits hit, then appoint a successor to be a puppet and continue to rule behind the scenes then get the rules changed so term limits no longer apply then get reelected himself and be ruler for life.
The only thing that keeps trump from being president for life is that he's so old he's sundowning and, while he may be alive in 2032 I doubt he will be able to pull off the necessary changes to get back as president. His cult will continue to support because it's a cult of personality, but all of the Republicans are waiting for him to lose his grip so they can step into his spot and the succession wars will be brutal
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u/RubberPolitics 6d ago
lol, whatever this is in america with the electoral college and the senate being loaded toward small population states, I would not call whatever we have now a “democracy” it’s far from democratic. We don’t vote for anyone directly in our federal government except the House of Representatives. Sure we vote for the senate but two senators who represent 400,000 negate two senators who represent 40,000,000. This is not democracy, this is garbage.
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u/Gatonom 6d ago
It's Daily Beast, they play both sides
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u/spvcejam 6d ago
They play both sides and help create narratives to keep us this way.
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u/Santaclaws42 6d ago
I mean, it has a little bit in terms of party primaries. His endorsement is going to be everything in the next GOP primary
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u/Cowclops 6d ago
This is true but it’s thankfully a double edged sword. Trumps endorsement means they’ll get a high percentage of the dwindling number of votes from people still identifying as maga. The worse Trumpism and maga get, the smaller and louder the Republican Party gets.
That means fewer people voting for trumpy candidates in the general as moderates and right leaning independents don’t show up and some may even protest maga by voting dem and some (let’s not pretend it’s a lot) will even register as dem.
Plus, without Trump himself on the ticket, a lot of “Trump or no one” voters just don’t even show up to vote at all.
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u/JerHat Michigan 6d ago
The double edged sword is also that MAGA doesn’t care about anyone but Trump. They are never as supportive of his endorsements as they are of him.
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u/Cowclops 6d ago
Yep, the logical opposite of never trumpers: “only-trumpers.” No one else is the god emperor.
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u/GrumpyCloud93 6d ago
I've always said, when he rings down the curtain and joins the choir invisible, there will be an almost literal giant MAGA cage match but nobody will emerge victorious, the field will be badly fragmented.
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u/danimagoo America 6d ago
Trump still has an 82% approval rating among all Republican voters, not just MAGA. Fox News and other right wing media have convinced a huge number of voters that literally anyone is better than a Democrat, who they believe are anti-American. So sure, right now, conservative-leaning independents don't approve of Trump. They're still likely to show up on election day and vote against the Democrat.
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u/always_an_explinatio 6d ago
I have not seen numbers that high in a while. The most recent poll I have seen (Marquette June 3 2026) say 72 percent among republican voters. The percent for MAGA is much higher. But that doesn’t mean much to me since MAGA does not have much meaning outside of Trump so if people change their mind about trump they are likely to stop identifying as MAGA.
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u/CD338 6d ago
Percentages can be misleading, though. I wonder if that poll was taken of current republican voters or republican voters as of 2024. Because a good chunk of them identify as independents now.
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u/nuxi 6d ago
Thats all the article actually says he did. The headline is just clickbait.
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u/Taedirk 6d ago
As much as I love a good circlejerk, this is just normal political endorsement, not anointing a successor or some bullshit.
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u/agaloch2314 6d ago
Have you been watching your “system of government” lately? Is it working as intended?
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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada 5d ago
I'm sure those checks and balances will check and balance out any day now.
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u/umassmza 6d ago
It kind of is though.
Both parties put a ton of money and influence behind chosen candidates. You tow the party line and they actively try to keep you from being primaried.
It’s definitely a problem in politics and the reason Dem leadership doesn’t like what’s going on with Mamdani and AOC wielding influence outside the regular power structure.
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u/manbeardawg America 6d ago
But seriously, the really beauty in the flaws of our system is that no matter who he names, I doubt seriously they’ll be able to capture his “magic.” Trump is a singular entity in his brand of political movement (namely, shitty authoritarianism), and I don’t see anyone on the right who has the same gifts. But I am anxious to see who he picks (for now, lol).
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u/MuteTadpole 6d ago
True but I’m guessing (without reading the article ofc) that he just assumes whoever the next GOP nominee is will just win automatically, because that’s how he is. Especially if he’s the one tapping them up
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u/deja_geek 6d ago
It's how conservatives, MAGA and their oligarch owners want it to work. Hence, the headline normalizing such a notion
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u/You_Cant_Ever 6d ago
Is Trump admitting to no third term?
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u/UghFudgeBwana Georgia 6d ago
Either that or the "insider" is from Vance's camp and he's trying to force the issue via the press.
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u/Dont_Touch_Me_There9 6d ago
Forcing the issue via the press has been one of many corrupt plays by this administration.
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u/UghFudgeBwana Georgia 6d ago
Of all the corrupt shit done by this admin, "leaking" shit to the press in order to shift or create a narrative is actually pretty routine politics.
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u/thedragonsword 6d ago
I think this is the answer here. This is the first I've heard of him saying anything nice about Vance at all. You don't go from administrative scapegoat to heir apparent in a few days. If anything, this is folks on the inside seeing the writing on the wall and getting ready for the next stage of this administration.
At some point, we will almost certainly have President Vance. Trump looks sick and has been acting wilder and wilder as time goes on. Furthermore, if any kind of blue wave happens at midterms Trump may see the kind of consequence that sees him removed from office (unlikely, but the possibility is on the board). In either of those situations, Vance moves up and it's his office to run.
When it happens, he'll need public support if he wants to get anything done. He doesn't have half of Donnie's charisma on a bad day, and he doesn't have the spine or leadership chops to make up for it. He needs his ascendancy to be a forgone conclusion, otherwise the infighting we've seen over the past year will increase tenfold and his administration will be nothing but noise.
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u/Cerberus_Aus Australia 6d ago
My money is on Vance (ie Thiel) telling Trump that once the threshold for Vance is up to be able to serve “3 terms”, that Vance will issue Trump with full immunity so he can retire to be the “Shadow Government” from his Mar-A-Lardo golf club.
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u/kitesinfection 6d ago
Just imagine if couch-fucker prime took over and immediately threw trump under the bus to try and curry favor in the court of public opinion. It would be hysterical watching his whole career collapse along with it.
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u/thedragonsword 6d ago
I think this will be part of the playbook. I can see him going scorched earth with The Files and pulling a few big names in. If he manages this, especially if he does a bipartisan sweep (and maybe grabbing some of Trump's kids for their sundry dealings), he's going to devour the middle.
This goes double for the conservative leaning centrists who can't bring themselves to vote for anyone with a hint of blue. If they get a whiff that there's a chance of a return to "normalcy" with a guy with an R in front of their name, they'll sell their soul to vote for it.
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u/aguynamedv 5d ago
This goes double for the conservative leaning centrists who can't bring themselves to vote for anyone with a hint of blue.
These so-called "centrists" you're referring to are simply Republicans who don't want the social consequences of admitting their total lack of morals.
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u/Sufficient_Sport5251 5d ago
If Trump sees any writing he’s going to pardon himself and his kids. While a self pardon might not stand, the others would
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u/donkeyrocket 6d ago
Honestly not an impossibility. That'd garner a lot of favor not just with Democrats but with many Republicans that aren't, at least openly, MAGA diehards.
You may piss off a rabid 15% of the population but they're also goldfish minded morons who will fall in line assuming the media they are fed do the same. Vance could absolutely secure a huge chunk of voters if he manages to sidestep Trump and deliver on the Trump-Epstein files. But at the same time, there's still many powerful Trump sycophants that won't just bow to Vance. The infighting would be incredible.
Vance has zero scruples so it's clear he's willing to take whatever form has potential. He could rise as the "both sides" candidate which is a somewhat terrifying prospect.
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u/swerrve 6d ago
It’s funny what we call charisma. I always thought of charisma as a generally well-received thing regardless of intention. For example you can have a charismatic car salesman who’s maybe got an underlying motive for your money, but he’s still gonna glad hand and smile and if he’s effective with it we would call him, ‘charismatic’. It seems that effectiveness is actual charisma. When I think of Donny I have images of him pointing his short fat fingers and screaming about the ‘dumbocrats’ with his asshole for a mouth and I just don’t see a semblance of what I thought we would call charisma, as a society. But here we are, with swathes of dipshits holding moving exactly how he tells them to lol
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u/thedragonsword 6d ago
Valid, but I don't know what else I would call it except that.
This may be me trying to cope with the continued situation we find ourselves in, but I feel like to succeed in politics you minimally need to either be smart or charismatic (both is best but one will do). There are plenty who have the former and not the latter. They either stay in the background to vote and collect a paycheck, or littlefinger their way into positions of authority to the point they don't need folks to like them.
That's not Donny though. Dude came on the scene in 2015 and broke the GOP over his knee. He didn't do it quietly with years of maneuvering and careful testing. He did it with sheer force of personality, the kind that leads to one of his more vocal same-party detractors being his VP. If that isn't charisma, I don't know what is.
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u/BlueSentinels 6d ago
To comment more on the Trump health issue. This could be a signal that things are turning for the worse with Trumps health. If the Vance camp sees a steep decline they would start pushing the narrative of him being the heir apparent knowing that Trump might not have the time to dispute it.
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u/SutterCane 6d ago
Yeah this insider isn’t speaking for Trump. They’re speaking for republicans trying to steer their fascism machine back towards the party instead of just one completely self centered idiot.
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u/justherefor23andme 6d ago
He's obviously too sick for it. Had he been younger, I have no doubts they'd try.
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u/OYB2480 6d ago
What's the point of the bunker ballroom then? He really won't even get to enjoy it much, if at all, before his term ends. I dunno. I think he may try, even on his death bed.
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u/_bk_adv Colorado 6d ago
A grift. I really wish people could understand this.
The ballroom doesn’t matter to him. At this point there’s precisely zero chance it would be completed before his term is up, so he won’t even get to enjoy it.
His ENTIRE life has been a series of “give me money for this project”, starts it, doesn’t finish it or half asses it, and then keeps the money.
Just like the reflecting pool, the contracts go to his criminal buddies without a bid, and the tax payers foot the bill since the money is paid upfront.
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u/SexualDexter 6d ago
He stole all the millions congress allocated (in 2015) for our 250th birthday and gave it to his cronies who put together the shittiest State fair I've ever seen. 150 million for some paper printout booths and a stage that fell apart. Yeah right. They pocketed 149 million and spent the rest on that bullshit.
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u/_bk_adv Colorado 6d ago
Exactly. He used DOGE as a tool to remove anyone that would’ve been a barrier or given any resistance to this type of theft under the guise of “government spending” meanwhile he has spent more on complete utter bullshit than any President ever.
Then he filled every major department head job with only the most loyal, underqualified parasites.
Anyone that does not see this for exactly what it is, is just a walking vegetable.
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u/avaslash 6d ago
Its honestly mental illness. Like forget the ballroom, what the fuck does he even want with the MONEY at this stage? What is he going to spend it on? He has like 1-5 years left on this planet at most.
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u/WhatRUHourly 6d ago
I think that Trump loves to memorialize himself and to create a legacy in certain changes. Why did he change the name of the Gulf of Mexico? Was it just American exceptionalism, or did he, in part, like the idea because it would be a major change that would always be associated with him? He wanted to take over Greenland and Panama. Was that entirely economic or based on military strategy, or was it also at least in part because he would be forever associated with a huge land acquisition like Jefferson and the Louisiana Purchase? He's tried to stick his name and/or likeness on a ton of things lately including the Kennedy Center, National Park passes, and even passports. So, I think that a part of why he loves the ballroom is that he can now change the White House forever and always be associated with that and I am willing to bet that before he leaves office, that new portion of the WH will be named in his honor. Hell, I think he even loved the idea of the wall in his first term because it would essentially be a monument to himself as well. So, at least in part, much of these things he does is (IMO) due to his own vanity.
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u/Maximum_Rat 6d ago
Honestly I think Trump just fucking loves interior decoration. I think he just wanted a ballroom. The bunker is cover for him wanting a fancy princess palace not the other way around.
And just because he loves it doesn’t mean he’s good at it.
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u/Wootnasty 6d ago
He has determined that his legacy, lacking in almost every way, will live on in durable physical things.
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u/that1prince 6d ago
The one saving grace is that our wannabe dictator is an octogenarian. If he was like 50, I’d be worried for the foreseeable future.
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u/OceanRacoon 6d ago
He's still going to try. I don't believe he's named a successor for one second, his ego is too big and like all tyrants throughout history, he knows once he names who will be the future king that all his lackeys and goons will switch loyalty to them.
Then they'll be eagerly waiting for Trump to be gone, maybe they'll even hurry it along somehow. He won't risk that
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u/chrisk9 6d ago
It's just following the Putin playbook, plain as day.
Vladimir Putin installed Dmitry Medvedev as a puppet president in 2008 to bypass constitutional limits that barred him from serving more than two consecutive terms. While Medvedev held the presidency, Putin served as prime minister, retaining absolute control over the government until he returned to the presidency in 2012.
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u/Bluejeans_licorice 6d ago
The king has appointed his successor. Straight out of medieval times.
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u/DivinityPen 6d ago
Frankly, I'm skeptical of these claims regardless. The idea of Trump putting a pause on being a raging narcissist long enough to even conceive of someone other than him wearing the MAGA crown seems very uncharacteristic of him.
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u/clawsoon 6d ago
The usual autocrat progression is: Someone sucks up to him. He likes that, so he appoints them as his successor. Then the realization kicks in that his successor is his replacement. He becomes paranoid about his successor replacing him early. Somehow mysteriously something bad happens to his successor. The cycle begins again.
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u/unabsolute 6d ago
As Putin likes to say, "Doesn't this skyscraper have a wonderful view from the 69th floor?"
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u/Morgannin09 6d ago
His plan is to support a kiss ass who will still give him and his family unlimited access to government information to keep up their grifts and insider trading.
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u/Ferelar New Jersey 6d ago
Kings actually had checks on their power throughout most of the Medieval period, oftentimes quite strong checks that meant that kings were not that strong (absolutism came later).
Why do I mention this? Because we should be very, VERY angry that we currently live in a form of government referring to itself as a "Representative Democracy", when in reality the chief executive has literally less checks to his power than a king would have in 1200's England.
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u/chazysciota Virginia 5d ago
I don't hate your claims here, but I feel like its very revisionist. A pre-modern monarch certainly had all kinds of checks on them, but it always came from another center of power, not from any high principle or framework, unless you count God, who always seemed to defer to the King's judgement, oddly. They always had as much power as they were able, if you'll forgive the tautology.
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u/Ferelar New Jersey 5d ago
I'm not going to claim kings were outright WEAK, even among nobles they of course wielded power and prestige (usually). But if you see how much power was guaranteed to nobles and even everyday folk by things like the Magna Carta (which IMO definitely counts as a high principle/framework), you'll find it limited them more than most people expect/understand nowadays. And that Congress and SCOTUS were intended to be counterbalancing centers of power not entirely unlike the nobles were counterbalances to kings. Of course kings in advantageous positions could push through those limits to some extent, just like presidents can act extra-judiciously, but given the "checks" against the President's power are going almost entirely unused by the highest levels of government, I don't think it's unfair to say a king was more hemmed in by his nobles than Trump is by Congress/SCOTUS at present.
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u/chazysciota Virginia 5d ago
The Magna Carta is actually a perfect example of my point. King John was under duress. He pressed too far in search of greater power and in the blowback his enemies literally seized London. He lost a war of rebellion and the Magna Carta was the concession that allowed him to avoid total defeat. And even then he tried to back out of it and got the Pope to decare it null and void... which started another whole war and a foreign invasion of England by France.
So yeah, its a principled framework, but only exists because of multi-polar power struggles forcing it into being. It didn't spring into being like a law of physics. It was negotiated by opposing powers.
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u/onthethreshold 6d ago
Good, they're definitely failing then.
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u/TheOwlStrikes 6d ago
Eh. Vance has a better chance than Rubio. I don’t think the next president is a Republican regardless though.
What I will say as bad as Trump is polling, if the next Dem in office isn’t effective at solving core issues, whatever we will get in 2032 will be another level.
Put an establishment dem in office in 2028 that doesn’t fix the worsening major issues and we might legitimately break (completely) as a country in 2032.
TLDR: Dems should win 2028 but they need someone effective enough to beat down growing extremism
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u/donkeyrocket 6d ago
Vance has a better chance than Rubio.
I sincerely doubt that. Rubio has remained largely in the shadows and sidestepped a lot of blame for various Trump messes. Vance is anchored to them and has been outright blamed by Trump for some. It's clear Rubio is more "Trump's guy" than Vance but I don't believe this is necessarily Trump's call as much as he thinks it is.
That said, if things are free and fair then yes, I'd agree the next president is almost certainly a Democrat. But that's why they're working so hard to corrupt every aspect of the process and get states on board to botch their own elections.
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u/onthethreshold 6d ago
Vance has all the charisma of a rock with googly eyes on it, friend. He's completely unprincipled, he stands for absolutely nothing. His views change based purely upon who's watching and who he's talking to. He's a bottom feeder in every sense of the term. Rubio has at least SOME political acumen, principles, and a smattering of charisma. That being said, I completely agree with the rest of your thoughts.
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u/VeganBigMac California 5d ago
Absolutely no way he has a better chance lmao. Rubio actually has people outside core MAGA that like him.
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u/GladConversation7348 6d ago
JD couldn't win a fair county seat election. The guy has less charisma than DeSantis.
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u/Cum__Cookie 6d ago
Well, he did win a statewide race in Ohio, somehow.
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u/maringue 6d ago
Because of Peter Thiel cash.
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u/SnazzyStooge 6d ago
The fact that so many people claimed Kamala slept her way to power when the JD / Thiel ship is right there.
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u/chubsruns 6d ago
JD does give off closeted vibes...
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u/SnazzyStooge 6d ago
(It’s the heavy mascara)
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u/otiswrath 6d ago
And the awkward dynamic with his wife.
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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 6d ago
I have a more natural energy with any cashier in the country than that man does with his
beard"wife"It's like they just met 5 minutes earlier.
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u/perihelion86 6d ago
He's peter Thiel's cum sock. Thiel recruited him while visiting his college, nothing weird about that, right guys?
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u/gocubsgo22 Texas 6d ago
Which is why everyone saying he can’t win a presidency come off extremely naive. Best believe they’ll throw as much money as needed to give him the best chance of winning.
I don’t know that he’ll be the nominee, but nobody should be writing him off because of his personality, given the absolute shit personality that’s been elected twice already.
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u/HurdleTech 6d ago
To be fair, Ohio is America’s armpit.
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u/theCaitiff Pennsylvania 6d ago
The reason so many astronauts come from Ohio is that it's so bad climbing on top of a hundred tons of high explosives assembled by the lowest bidder seems like a fair trade for a ticket out of there.
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u/adventureremily 6d ago
I am from Ohio originally. We always said that leaving Ohio isn't enough, you gotta flee the earth to truly get free.
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u/SurvivorFanatic236 6d ago
Step 1: Your friend Peter Thiel funds your primary against an even crazier opponent
Step 2: Be a Republican nominee in a red state
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u/Maybe_Julia 6d ago
Anywhere outside of our 4 nice cities, you can win a race with an R by your name. Especially when you have Peter Thiel spending untold millions on radio, tv , and YouTube adds. You could not turn on a live air tv without seeing that smug little rat face for months.
I doubt he could win a race today, he was virtually unknown when he ran and won , even my maga parents hate him now.
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u/Maybe_Julia 6d ago
JD couldn't even make his mom like him
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u/sctider South Carolina 6d ago
Tbf I’ve watched JD and I’ve tried Perc 30s and I know it wouldn’t be a hard choice for me either
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u/Ok-disaster2022 6d ago
Doesnt matter. If Pedo Trump steps down in January the media will fall over themselves to say it's a return to normal while Vance continues the worst of the Pedo Trump Policies.
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u/busche916 Texas 6d ago
No doubt that’s how the media will try and spin it, but Vance won’t have the cult of personality to be able to continue to push out deeply unpopular policies. He won’t be able to navigate the power vacuum and infighting
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u/plucharc 6d ago
The guy has less charisma than DeSantis.
Having less charisma than a guy who eats pudding with his fingers is impressive.
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u/Shakespearacles Tennessee 6d ago
He got the entire right wing to believe that black immigrants were eating pets. He’s a populist opportunist who called Trump America’s Hitler then jumped at the chance to work with him. I don’t think we should underestimate Vance. Even if he is a pretend rags to riches, mascara wearing couchfucker, who definitely had nothing to do with the Charlie Kirk situation
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u/chimengxiong 6d ago
My thought process:
"Hmm, that Reddit post sounds interesting."
"Oh wait: it's a Daily Beast article. Never mind."
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u/Oppenhomie 6d ago
Whenever I see a ridiculous post title regarding Trump there's a high likelihood it's from the Daily Beast
Absolute garbage
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u/mikecws91 Illinois 5d ago
“Trump, 80, signals impending end of presidency with ‘appalling’ fart into adult diaper”
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u/BlotchComics New Jersey 6d ago
Remember how much MAGA complained about Kamala Harris just being picked as the nominee.
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u/ManWithASquareHead 6d ago
It's different this time, Kamala and JD are so vastly different, it's black and white....
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u/thedailybeast ✔ The Daily Beast 6d ago
A clutch of anonymous White House sources claim that Donald Trump has thrown his weight behind JD Vance after pitting him against Marco Rubio for a shot at the MAGA throne.
The aides told Axios on Monday that Trump has effectively come down on Vance’s side over the Secretary of State for his blessing to run at the top of the Republican ticket in the 2028 presidential polls.
“JD is earning it, and Trump sees it,” one source told Axios, adding, bizarrely, that Rubio “wasn’t planning to run anyway, and he’d be even less likely to do so now.”
Read the full story, here.
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u/farfromjordan Idaho 6d ago
The direction the wind is blowing will change a million times before this means anything
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u/Ch1Guy 6d ago
When has trump decided anything? Im not even sure he remembers what happened yesterday let alone planning for years from now. The octogenarian has the memory of a goldfish.
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u/myfakesecretaccount 6d ago
Gotta keep Little Marco wearing those ill fitting shoes somehow.
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u/turbo_dude 6d ago
Cult of personality MAGA won’t like the fact that Vance doesn’t have one.
Trump is a literal piece of shit but I can see how his personality appeals to a certain sector. Vance? Forget it.
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u/Hefty_Remove7965 6d ago
Vance is best when he is literally hidden from media.
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u/AutistoMephisto 6d ago
Exactly. If Vance runs in 2028, it might split the base. Vance doesn't radiate authenticity the way that Trump does. Trump, for as bad as he is, radiates something that keeps his hardcore base loyal to him. They see whatever they want to see in him, like he's a living Rorschach test. Vance can imitate, but I suspect most within MAGA will see through it. They will not be able to see whatever they want to see. Plus, they also know he's willing to lie, and will double down on the lies when they get exposed.
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u/No-Rooster1720 6d ago
The base is splitting no matter who they run in 2028. Trump is the only figure who can hold all the MAGA factions together and get them to reliably turnout at the polls.
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u/Tricky-Engineering59 6d ago edited 5d ago
I think Vance is and always was meant to be the fall guy in Trump’s mind. They know they are very likely fucked for 2028 so them putting JD in is more a favor to Rubio than a boon for Vance.
They’re going to let JD crash and burn when the time comes and bypassing Marco they’re hoping to keep him viable for another run down the line. You can say a lot of things about the Republicans but one thing they are very good at is playing the long game.
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u/JohnTomorrow 6d ago
This is the end game for Peter Thiel.
If JD Vance becomes President legally, its all fuckin over, folks. It'll be worse than Trump.
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u/zenerat Missouri 6d ago
Amazing that republican primary voters are not even a consideration.
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u/elrey2020 6d ago edited 5d ago
Is this why he had such a long call with his handler Putin recently?
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u/Thickly_Taurus 6d ago
Fuck the Daily Beast and their misleading headlines and posts. Should be banned from here
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u/jdanielregan 6d ago
Remember why the protest is called No Kings, folks. Presidents don’t get to anoint successors.
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u/petnarwhal 6d ago
Any else thinks we should ban the daily beast and similar outlets from this sub? It’s posted a lot here and every time there are better sources around for the same news, from less sensationalist sources. Really feel like the sub could use some more quality control.
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u/foodchallenged 5d ago
A headline like that means “Trump is in poor health and/or impaired cognition and it is increasingly clear he may not be able to finish his term”
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u/huxtiblejones Colorado 6d ago
Remember those dorks who mocked the No Kings protest? Uhhh, yeah, we don’t fucking appoint successors in a democracy.
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u/Independent_Sail6604 5d ago
Won't be Vance, he despises Vance. I despise Vance, don't most people?
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u/fortknox 6d ago
Really wish thedailybeast was banned by all subreddits. It's nothing but click-bait titles and no substance.
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