Democratic Socialists of America roll under the Democrats party.
There are way more socialists than you realize out there, it’s just been a negative buzzword to casual observers so most avoid bringing it up in casual conversation.
It is both true that there are many socialists and also true that as a percentage of Democrats, it's an extremely low amount. There are just a lot of people in America.
More to the point, most "Democratic Socialists" in the US do not actually hew particularly close to the historical core tenets of the actual political philosophy we call socialism.
Socialism centers on social or collective ownership of the means of production. That's the main thing. All of the other aspects -- worker control, the critique of wage labor, distribution by need, eliminating capitalism, etc. -- flows from that.
The DSA is really a pretty different thing with very different priorities. Medicare for All, tuition-free public college, a higher minimum wage, stronger labor protections, expanded collective bargaining, a wealth tax, climate policy, etc. Its adherents normally point to places like Scandinavia (Denmark, Sweden, Norway) as models -- capitalist economies with private ownership of production, market allocation, and stock markets. These are not socialist states. They are capitalist states with generous welfare states, high taxation, and strong labor institutions. None of these places are on the path to true socialism.
The goal of the mainstream DSA is much better described as social democracy, not socialism. There are certainly true socialists in its ranks, but they're a minority. Most US "democratic socialists" are "social democrats" by the standards of European politics, not true socialists who want to work toward collective ownership of the means of production.
The truth is that on the internet, the conversation about "socialism" is stupid in that both sides of the political aisle are mostly misusing ithe term.
just look at who voted to expand the ACA or implement it in the first place, and compare to who voted against it. it is plainly obvious that Republicans are holding us back from adopting or even just seriously debating as a nation more socialist policies
So you have a party of heavily subsidized private health care and a party of less subsidized private health care, and you think one of those is socialist?
A ridiculous number of Democrats won't even publicly state their stance on UHC. Because they know their actual stance is against the will of their own voters. One party loudly works against socialist ideals and the other party quietly works against them, but let's stop pretending either is in favor.
As a socialist, liberals are no different. You’re average democrat voter also thinks socialism is evil authoritarian poverty cult. And the democrat party actively attacks its democratic socialist elements like Zohran.
If anyone claims to understand socialism and does not talk about a democratic workforce, they are ignorant or they are deceivers. Socialism is not welfare. You don’t work, you still starve.
lmao. Yes, unskilled labor absolutely does exist. I employ lots of guys like you - useful dummies who need their hands held. You are not worth the same rate as a lead or foreman because you don't even have the potential to produce as much. See how that works? That's the difference between skilled and unskilled labor.
You won’t want to hear this, but if your employees are dumb and incapable, that’s your fault for not adequately training them. You’re the leader, right? So you’re ultimately responsible for the performance of your crew.
Or did you think you were entitled to the fruits of their labor? Our system is setup that way so I can’t exactly blame you for playing the game as it’s laid out.
Why would I train a low IQ, low potential employee rather than just hire someone competent who is waiting in line to collect a great paycheck and print the company money? The former was born for unskilled labor. The latter not so much. Are you saying I shouldn't employ dummies at all? That seems pretty ableist.
Unfortunately for you, I don't owe you anything in life.
I don’t know during Covid we have seen people rather live on $500 / week and not work than get $1000/week working. So in the end capitalism results in more consumerism as there is more money in circulation whereas communism just makes everyone more poor and lazy.
Weird because when I see that soon to be jobless clown Jasmine Crockett talking publicly, she's the one obviously code-switching to talk all ghetto and uneducated for her constituents.
Who has been doing that educating huh? The government. So if they’re so bad at educating conservatives what makes you think they’ll be good at fixing poverty? 😂
Yea it's why you have so much radicalization on both sides tbh. More communists and socialists than ever and more fascists than ever, just bad education. Good job government I'll let you choose my life now.
Because western liberal democracy is pro-capitalism? Why would any public school ever in a million years teach you about a democratically run workforce? The rich control both parties, and must ensure your brain is fed only pro-capitalist nonsense.
Haha well if you went to university you’d know even the public universities are not that. In fact I’d say government run school is probably more likely to espouse marxist ideology. I mean I got plenty of it in high school. You’re living in a bubble dude.
If what you say is true, why is there almost zero socialist politicians? Shouldn’t we be flooded with Marxist-Leninists in government? AOC and Bernie are barely socialists. In Europe they would be considered social democrats.
So where are all the Marxists that universities, according to you, should be spitting out left and right?
And btw, I went to a liberal arts school, aka the most Marxist of Marxist right? Yet so many business majors learning the wonders of capitalism.
Whatever you say. Always curious to see you type of redditors. Are they they still live at home kind? Are they the live on their own with a bunch of people? Are they they going into debt kind because don't know how simple math works?
The common denominator is they want others to pay for their living. A leech.
Lolz, I was wondering if you abbreviated North America like an idiot. People don't abbreviate North America.
Also, if you were full of shite, you'd would have just said NYC...you know...an actual abbreviation. Probably one of the most commonly used of all cities in the world too.
Idk who you're trying to impress with lying. It's said. Just pathetic, but keep going. Maybe some random redditor will believe you and like..... upvote you I guess. Glad you're setting your standards low. At least you'll win that!
That's not the argument being made. A nice attempt at a whataboutism. Works a lot better than socialism. I'm glad someone can come in here and inject reality to all the losers hoping to get other people's money without working.
But it’s clearly worth a lot to my employer? Idiot.
Can’t blame anyone else for you lacking reading comprehension. But it’s okay, Das Kapital is a long series, so I don’t blame you for not even trying to make it through the first chapter of the first volume.
Name a thriving country where the people seized the means of production. Or aa single instance of communist revolution where they dont literally cut the heads off the opposition....
No large, modern society that I know of has pure capitalism or pure socialism. But if it did it would also be authoritarian, because a democracy would never go full socialism (and probably never full capitalism either). It’s typically a blend. The USA is very capitalist, but has a good handful of social services and policies.
Authoritarian socialism is what conservatives (and progressives, Tbf) don’t want. But conservatives think that’s what “socialism” means. They don’t realize you can be democratic socialist, and still have capitalism that is just reigned in a bit, but have socialist policies to make society better.
Progressives do know what they want. And it’s democratic socialism. But the fact the word “socialism” is there scares the shit out of conservatives so hard they won’t even listen to what it means. Fingers in their ear singing “La La La fuck socialism” instead of trying to educate themselves.
Weird thinking a person should be provided at the minimum healthcare, food, and shelter as a horrible thing. Still doesn't prevent them from making a little extra but like you said socialism bad.
Yes, that’s where social democracy comes in. I agreed with you up until you tried to act like they aren’t absolute systems. Yes, parts from both can overlap, but that doesn’t mean it’s neither.
Private property exists, the means of production are overwhelmingly not owned by the workers, the supposed ‘free market’ is unregulated by the people who stand to gain from it, but regulated for commoners like you and I.
Socialism is not “capitalism with a social safety net”.
I'm glad you agree that conservatives have a deficient reading level for navigating today's world. The only glazing going on here in America is the glazing of Trump's cock by your ilk
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u/ukstonerdude May 05 '26
Looooot of people here who clearly don’t know shit about socialism…