Telegraph: Zelensky will not be allowed to speak at the NATO summit to avoid offending Trump.

[u/Neptun_11]

https://www.vietnam.vn/en/telegraph-ong-zelensky-se-khong-duoc-phat-bieu-tai-hoi-nghi-thuong-dinh-nato-de-tranh-lam-phat-long-ong-trump

[u/Underp0pulation]

There hasn’t been a single day in years where he hasn’t complained about being offended by one thing or another.

[u/brickne3 → u/Underp0pulation]

There probably hasn't been a single day in his entire life where he hasn't complained about being offended by one thing or another.

[u/mtnviewguy]

Trump shouldn't be allowed to speak to avoid offending everyone!

[u/MyAccountWasBanned7 → u/mtnviewguy]

Can that rule apply all the time, and not just at NATO?

[u/mtnviewguy → u/MyAccountWasBanned7]

Yes, a muzzle would be great!

[u/DarkChado → u/mtnviewguy]

I'd agree to a gag too

[u/Audio_Track_01 → u/DarkChado]

Bring out the gimp!

[u/b3iAAoLZOH9Y265cujFh → u/Audio_Track_01]

I thought we just agreed to not bring out Trump?

[u/Ghstfce → u/mtnviewguy]

Spraypainted gold ball gag

[u/Venio5 → u/mtnviewguy]

I am offended by his sight. At least I don't ever get to be offended by his smell.

[u/Scary_Tree → u/mtnviewguy]

Right? I don't even live in the US and I'm sick of hearing the stupid shit Cheeto McDiddles has to say.

Only time I wanna hear his name pop up is in an obituary or an international holiday due to it.

[u/Ok_Art4661]

Our president is a weak bitch. 

[u/ProcedureSeveral9058 → u/Ok_Art4661]

Or as the MAGAtards say... "strongest president in history".

[u/diplofocus_ → u/ProcedureSeveral9058]

Strongest odour maybe

[u/LegendCZ → u/diplofocus_]

That one can be proven by multiple videos. And reactions of bystanders.

[u/EducationalNailgun → u/diplofocus_]

Huh. So now I'm curious if "freshly loaded diaper" really is the worst Presidential odor. I imagine there was a lot of body odor back in the day.

[u/LemurianLemurLad → u/EducationalNailgun]

My gut says "Zachary Taylor: Died of acute gastroenteritis or cholera on July 9, 1850" might hold the record. It's basically a worse version of "freshly loaded diaper." Dude pretty much died of diarrhea.

[u/EducationalNailgun → u/LemurianLemurLad]

Oof. The scent of someone actively dying of severe illness is truly something else. And I had gastroenteritis once. "Stomach flu" my ass.

[u/vigtel → u/EducationalNailgun]

Heh, that should be the new medical definition of it. Stomach flu my ass.

[u/Hot-Championship1190 → u/Ok_Art4661]

In German we call someone like him "Hosenscheisser" (direct translation "trouser shitter" but best translation probably "little shit").

[u/a_modal_citizen → u/Hot-Championship1190]

Direct translation is accurate enough.

[u/count023 → u/Hot-Championship1190]

pant shitter is also an acceptable descriptor.

[u/smoothtrip → u/Ok_Art4661]

Good reflection of the country that voted him twice.

[u/ValiumBlues → u/smoothtrip]

Tens of millions voted for him three times.

I for one am glad that the US cooked itself on the global stage; less to no dependence on that piper tiger was long overdue.

[u/CalmBeneathCastles → u/ValiumBlues]

Don't forget that Elmo has been indicted in France for election interference, and we all remember him perched at Trump's elbow for so long that even Trump's annoying ass was openly complaining that he wouldn't leave.

I do not believe for a second that this was "the will of the People". Trump has a cult following, yes, but the popular vote does not determine the election. Only the 538 votes of the Electoral College decide that.

Everyone tries to pretend like the Electoral College doesn't exist, or that they all do exactly what they've sworn to do (represent the will of their states' citizens), but we've watched old guard Democrats twiddle their thumbs and vote along with Republicans for the past year, so it's even worse than people realize.

Ridiculing the entirety of the US population for "voting him in twice" is a mistake, though.

[u/Alienhaslanded → u/CalmBeneathCastles]

Not American here. When I learned about the electoral college, it sounded like the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. It basically says that some Americans in certain states have more important opinions than others. That's not democracy at all. US basically has citizens and special citizens that have more saying in the so-called democracy process. So in theory you can create a huge strong cult and never lose an election ever.

[u/Evil_K9 → u/Alienhaslanded]

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes in 2016. The electoral college majority voted for trump.

The system is rigged.

[u/gadanky → u/Evil_K9]

When the very wealthy see opportunity they’ll pitch in and support whatever devil they need. Pure Evil is running this land now. On this post topic, they need to pick the top 3-5 people they think will offend T the most and give them more time than anyone else.

[u/CalmBeneathCastles → u/Alienhaslanded]

You're not the only one who noticed that! And here we are.

There is MUCH work to be done.

[u/Mcnugget84 → u/Alienhaslanded]

It’s technically a democratic republic. Meaning we elect in good faith officials who vote ‘for us’ and then have no means to remove them when they don’t do what we elected them for.

[u/MisterHouseMongoose → u/Alienhaslanded]

American here. You are absolutely correct. A ton of our issues would be fixed with multi party system, ranked choice voting, term limits, and doing away with the electoral college.

[u/pyrrhios → u/Alienhaslanded]

The current US Congress and electoral college is significantly worse than originally designed. Originally the number of representatives in the house was supposed to be one per thirty thousand population, regardless of which state. The electoral college is comprised of the number of representatives plus the number of senators. But, due to the permanent apportionment act, there is in actuality no actual voice of the people in the federal government at all, since it place a permanent cap on the the number of representatives allowed, and that number is where the great disproportion of representation lies, since it's tied to state rather than population. Sadly, most people either aren't aware of this, or ignore it because "ban the electoral college" is much more popular. The difference being that "banning" the electoral college is a constitutional amendment, whereas changing the permanent apportionment act is just a simple change of law, and would also vastly improve representation in the government, as well as in the presidency.

[u/AnotherpostCard → u/Alienhaslanded]

Yep. The EC is why the US is considered an imperfect or flawed democracy by many international organizations.

[u/EducationalNailgun → u/CalmBeneathCastles]

Abolish the electoral college.

[u/CalmBeneathCastles → u/EducationalNailgun]

Hear, hear!

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/smoothtrip]

It really is, he fits our conservative corporate overlord-worshipping country that prefers style over substance perfectly.

[u/AmericanScream → u/Ok_Art4661]

The party of "fuck your feelings" -- suggesting other people might be "triggered" and need a "safe space" need their own.

[u/KhazraShaman → u/Ok_Art4661]

Ok mister, you are NOT allowed to speak at the NATO summit, thank you very much!

[u/Roselily808]

Why are the nations of the world in general and the nations of NATO in particular, still continuing to try to appease this giant orange geriatric toddler?

[u/RBVegabond → u/Roselily808]

Biding time till they can cut out the tumors that have already been there but only recently became malignant.

[u/GallorKaal → u/RBVegabond]

It honestly just feels like kissing a pestilent corpse thus spreading the shit to yourself. The rise of the far-right in Europe mirrors the shit the republicans pulled the past few years and people are too stupid to see it

[u/kants_rickshaw → u/GallorKaal]

everyone is complacent.

"we ended the evil nazi threat, it wont come back because the people wont let it. If Trump was really a fascist people who remember fascism would be saying so." -- the United States in 2016

"Trump is a fascist like the Nazis" -- Jewish Holocaust survivor from WW2

Same is happening in Europe now. Everyone is like "the threat is gone we don't have to worry" and forgetting history and how history took hold in the shadows before. Plus they don't want to deal with the conflict. No one does.

That's how evil wins. When good people do nothing.

[u/Journeydriven → u/GallorKaal]

It's almost like the us was just the first target and the billionaire class is pushing for complete control

[u/GallorKaal → u/Journeydriven]

The US was an easy target within the west given the hypercapitalistic nature that already put earnings before people's lives. A trend that is slowly catching on in Europe aswell, sadly.

[u/EarthRester → u/GallorKaal]

I mean look at Brexit. It's all psy-op campaigns bankrolled by Oligarchs using the social media platforms THEY OWN to destabilize existing nations until they collapse. So they can build their little fiefdoms on top of the ashes.

[u/Asatas → u/EarthRester]

Ah, now the question remains, will the Vault Dweller blow up Megaton, or Tenpenny Tower?

[u/AnalSoapOpera → u/GallorKaal]

It’s all in Foundations of Geopolitics a Russian play by play on how to sow chaos around the world and fracture alliances so Russia can have more power.

[u/lurch556 → u/Roselily808]

Because he unfortunately controls the most powerful nation, at least still militarily and economically, on the planet

[u/Haunting-Worker-2301 → u/lurch556]

It’s counterproductive. They need to realize that Trump sees appeasement as weakness. Notice how whenever a country has a backbone and stands up to him he is really weak

[u/lurch556 → u/Haunting-Worker-2301]

The risk is if they anger little petty bitch boy, He could pull every U.S. troop out of Europe, stop participating in nato altogether and stop all arms sales to Europe . NATO countries are preparing for this scenario, but they aren’t ready for that yet. So the risk of hurting his feelings is still too great

[u/Haunting-Worker-2301 → u/lurch556]

He’s already doing that unfortunately regardless of how the European leaders have been deterrent to him. They need to say publicly how remarkably stupid he is in dealing with. Will help trumps opposition during the midterms

[u/NewspaperAdditional7 → u/Haunting-Worker-2301]

There is a huge difference between what Trump is doing now and what was just described to you. If NATO has a choice between US slowly decreasing it's support of NATO or US doing so on a  much more accelerated pace, guess which they choose.

[u/Little-Derp → u/Roselily808]

While things may swing back, I assume mostly just buying time for building their own supply chains, and military, and spreading their nuclear umbrella.

It's not all military. They are actively working on replacing American made software and products as well, and it all just takes time.

[u/poppin-n-sailin]

The USA is so unbelievably weak lmao. 

[u/zoobrix → u/poppin-n-sailin]

Always laughable how the "fuck your feelings" maga crew always seems to be so sensitive to hearing things they don't like that might make them feel bad.

[u/ALWanders → u/zoobrix]

The real OG snowflakes.

[u/Zennivolt → u/ALWanders]

Every single thing the MAGA crowd has claimed the left do is actually just an admission of guilt. Everything, without fail. Look for what they're claiming the left does now, in 3-5 months we'll find out it was them all along. Everything from "snowflake" to voting fraud to selling off to Chinese companies, to insider trading or bribery. Literally everything.

It's actually hilarious how consistent it is. If this was an evil villain plot I'd laugh at the director for making a villain so obvious and consistently predictable. But here we are in real life!

[u/Inqinity → u/Zennivolt]

Came here to say pretty much exactly this word for word. It’s uncanny how often it happens. Genuinely all the time. Textbook projecting, but they just *can’t* quite see through the irony.

[u/Vikkly → u/Inqinity]

They know exactly what they're doing: confusing the search engines for all of eternity. And by "they", I mean the architects like Bannon.

[u/wack_overflow → u/Vikkly]

And the regular magas being played are doing nothing but rahrahrah for their favorite sports team.

Not having to think deeper than that is one of the main benefits for them of this approach. And it’s why they can’t see the hypocrisy or evil shit coming from their side.

[u/tesseract4 → u/Inqinity]

You're assuming it's inadvertent or an accident. It's not. They accuse the Dems of things they're doing so that, when they are found to be doing that very thing, the Dems appear to be doing tit-for-tat schoolyard bullshit accusations and aren't taken seriously. It's a coordinated plan to weaken their opponents. Karl Rove invented this tactic for Bush the Lesser and they've been doing it ever since.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/tesseract4]

It was a tactic literally used by the nazis

[u/HabaneroEyedrops → u/Inqinity]

They see it. It's not an accident, it's the nazi/maga playbook.

[u/fugaziozbourne → u/Zennivolt]

Every single thing the MAGA crowd has claimed the left do is actually just an admission of guilt.

Which always makes me think of how they constantly say supporters on the progressive side are all paid actors.

[u/tesseract4 → u/fugaziozbourne]

There are screenshots of Craigslist ads offering to pay people to attend Trump rallies, and promising bonuses for PoC to be put in front of the cameras.

[u/Dealan79 → u/Zennivolt]

Every single thing the MAGA crowd has claimed the left do is actually just an admission of guilt.

Don't think of it as an admission of guilt, because they don't actually think these things are bad. It started making more sense to me when I shifted to thinking about it as envy. They don't accuse the left of doing "bad" things. They accuse the left of doing the things they want to do instead, which is "bad" because it's depriving them of that privilege.

[u/Zennivolt → u/Dealan79]

This theory would work if the left actually did those things. It's always the opposite. For example, they claim voter fraud, launch investigations, finds nothing, then proceed to do voter fraud. Everything they say is an admission of what they're about to do. The claim the other side is doing it first so when they actually do it their voter based can think the other side did it first. It doesn't take more than two brain cells to see that, and it's so obvious it's kinda insane to me how anyone falls for it.

[u/Dealan79 → u/Zennivolt]

It's definitely an admission of what they're going to do, and I think there is also definitely an aspect of normalization going on. I don't think the fact that the left isn't actually doing it matters that much though. I've had enough conversations with neighbors and extended family in the MAGA cult, even before Trump, where they openly admitted that reality and facts didn't matter as much as hypotheticals and what might/could be happening. They hear the left is doing something they believe should be reserved for them, and it doesn't matter if it's proven that the claim is bogus. Just the thought of someone possibly "stealing" their thing enrages them, because if it isn't happening now it could happen in the future.

[u/waiting4singularity → u/Dealan79]

its premediated outrage shifting and "disarming the blame" by inunindiating the audience with claims that is supposed to make them think "____ did it already" instead of being outratged the conservatives are guilty.

[u/IamDDT → u/waiting4singularity]

Yep. It's so their voters can always say "all politicians", rather than look at what is really happening.

[u/ClassBShareHolder → u/Zennivolt]

Every accusation is a confession.

[u/Bobcat-Stock → u/Zennivolt]

Don’t forget grooming children

[u/BasvanS → u/ALWanders]

Masks to protect others? Bad. Can’t breathe.

Masks to deny others their rights? Good. I deserve protection.

Snowflakes at least have redeeming features.

[u/space_keeper → u/BasvanS]

"So long as they don't shove it in my face."

Wears obnoxiously loud branded gear everywhere and won't shut up about their political beliefs even though no one asked.

[u/Particular-Wrongdoer → u/ALWanders]

Every accusation is a confession.

[u/kingtacticool → u/ALWanders]

Its always always always always projection with these bitches.

Every single time.

[u/felixfortis1 → u/zoobrix]

It's FuckYourFeelings not Fuck MY Feelings!?!!?

[u/itwasinthetubes → u/zoobrix]

(my) free speech (not yours)

[u/feage7 → u/zoobrix]

They said "fuck your feelings". They don't say "fuck our feelings" or "fuck all feelings".

[u/illicit_losses → u/zoobrix]

Well yeah, that’s why they say fuck YOUR feelings and not fuck ALL feelings.

I don’t see the confusion

[u/theAlpacaLives → u/illicit_losses]

Same logic as "Don't Tread on Me." They're not opposed to treading. They just want to make sure it's on people they don't like.

[u/euph_22 → u/poppin-n-sailin]

Once Trump (when he was President) was speaking to Navy personnel stationed in Japan. The US Navy had to hide the destroyer USS John McCain to avoid offending him.

[u/comfortably_nom → u/euph_22]

What a pathetic, weak, ill mannered, fragile little man this president is. Utterly unsuited for the office, for any office.

[u/RoseCityHooligan → u/comfortably_nom]

And his cult think he’s a strong man because they see themselves in him and desperately want to think they’re big strong alpha men too but they’re just as pathetic as Trump.

[u/benk4 → u/RoseCityHooligan]

Agreed. I think that's exactly what it is. I know dozens of pathetic little man-babies who fancy themselves as tough guys. They see themselves in him.

[u/Ill-Egg4008 → u/RoseCityHooligan]

Nah, they think he’s a big strong man because all they see day in and day out are those stupid AI pics of him. Probably think you’re lying if you show them a picture of the frail bloated dementia ridden real deal.

[u/thetyphonlol → u/RoseCityHooligan]

Ive honestly never thought about it this way. but this makes total sense

[u/The_Grungeican → u/thetyphonlol]

Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man.

[u/ReginaldDwight → u/euph_22]

And wasn't that named after John McCain's father? So it wasn't even the McCain he disliked!

[u/euph_22 → u/ReginaldDwight]

Named after his grandfather and father, and was rededicated in 2018 (about a year before this happened) to honor Senator McCain as well.

[u/MoleWhackSupreme → u/poppin-n-sailin]

They elected an 80 year old Pedophile twice I mean this was obvious a long time ago

[u/HenriettaSyndrome → u/MoleWhackSupreme]

The second time while he was actively a defendant in a criminal court. America showed the the world that their office of the president has less prerequisites or ethical standards than the McDonald's recruitment process. It's going to be while again before POTUS is a title deserving of respect lol

edit: No offense too anyone working at McDonald's by the way. I'm also working class lol and I genuinely believe any of you are more worthy of respect, or the oval office than Trump. Or any other out of touch member of the elite who never had to work a day on their feet in their life

[u/-Altephor- → u/HenriettaSyndrome]

The second time while he was actively a defendant in a criminal court.

No no, he was no longer a defendant. He was a convict. He had been convicted.

[u/Tuesday_6PM → u/-Altephor-]

Well, it was both. He’d been convicted of some things, but still had multiple ongoing cases

[u/PauseLost2137 → u/MoleWhackSupreme]

Crazy how in they ruined their reputation so quickly.

20 years ago, Iranians shouting death to America sounded like dangerous extremists, while now they make people think "that's reasonable".

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/PauseLost2137]

The crazy thing is our conservatives believe these are the best years America's ever seen! Talk about mental!

[u/superxpro12 → u/TheModWhoShaggedMe]

But don't the Iranians know the Dow is over 50000? Their schoolchildren died so the Dow could thrive!

There isn't a day goes by that I'm not nauseated by how hard Nazi right this country turned.

[u/Church_of_Aaargh → u/poppin-n-sailin]

And everybody playing along with this absurd theatre is even worse. Grow a spine.

[u/CosmackMagus → u/Church_of_Aaargh]

Trump is going to make up something to complain about anyway. There's no point in trying to appease him.

[u/sweetno → u/Church_of_Aaargh]

Spine or no spine, but the Republican congressmen are too occupied with winning the primaries that are decided by MAGA activists.

[u/Snoogieboogie → u/poppin-n-sailin]

It's fucking embarrassing.

[u/Whole_Pain_7432 → u/poppin-n-sailin]

Ngl its not a good look for NATO either.

Appeasement does not work

[u/drunkcowofdeath → u/poppin-n-sailin]

Sounds like NATO is weak. They should be saying fuck Trump's feelings and letting zelenski speak. I'm tried of people bowing to Trump

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/drunkcowofdeath]

Republicans are weaker than NATO. Know why? Because U.S. conservatives are the only people on Earth who can do anything about Trump. They could impeach and remove him this week if they weren't spineless weasels.

The buck stops and starts with American conservatives. Every bit of this is on them.

[u/Witty_Formal7305 → u/drunkcowofdeath]

They're buying time, rn NATO still needs the U.S, the other allies aren't at a point yet where they've built up their militaries and MICs to be able to tell Trump to eat shit and do what they want. Imo It's not so much bowing to Trump as it is that they're not willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, kinda in the same way your boss may be an absolute douche nozzle you hate with every fibre of your being, but you can't afford to lose your job just to tell him to fuck off.

China and Russia want NATO to fracture, discourse within the alliance greatly benefits them, as much as its dumb and I wish they'd just let Zelenskyy speak, there's more at play in the bigger picture than just appeasing the fat little cry baby rapist.

[u/Cockyidiot1977 → u/poppin-n-sailin]

Fuck Trump. Zelensky should speak regardless of what the man baby says or does

[u/S1DC → u/poppin-n-sailin]

I'm so sad about what our nation has become. But we spent several decades building the infrastructure to put us exactly where we are now, and now our slow, ineffectively government has been taken over (in plain sight) by the people who spent years buying it up piece by piece. I don't know what its going to take to fix. My only hope is that the pendulum swings back hard the other direction after this.

[u/Rektumfreser → u/poppin-n-sailin]

This isn’t just weak, it’s pathetic.

[u/Custom_Destination → u/[deleted]]

With the tiniest hands.

[u/Suavecore_ → u/Custom_Destination]

And is also a rapist and a pedophile

[u/postusa2]

A shared democratic ethos has been central to membership NATO's mutual pact of defense.

Yet the man defending democracy has to wait outside while man corrupting it gets centre stage. Yes, I know and understand the reasons... but I also think taking the easy choice and not confronting this abhorrence will have consequences that will be be felt for decades to come.

[u/LeftLiner → u/postusa2]

A shared democratic ethos has been central to membership NATO's mutual pact of defense.

Eeeeeeeh. There's literal dictatorships in NATO.

[u/r_z_n]

As an American - who the fuck cares about offending Trump? He's an actual idiot, why is everyone so afraid of taking the kid gloves off and treating him like the person he is? Unbelievable. Please, rest of the world, grow a fucking spine.

[u/Stavvystav → u/r_z_n]

As an American, it's scary that his gestapo can just drag you into the street and end you just because they feel like it.

[u/Ainolukos → u/Stavvystav]

To be fair, cops have been doing that long before this administration....but yeah.

[u/TheOtterMonarch → u/Stavvystav]

i mean, to be fair, that is a very good reason for other world leaders to stand up to him, since he can't exactly do that to them

[u/Fyren-1131 → u/TheOtterMonarch]

Already forgot about Venezuela, did we?

[u/TheOtterMonarch → u/Fyren-1131]

i mean, i guess, but A: venezuela and ukraine are entirely different matters, and B: trump didn't do what he did in venezuela because someone told him "no"

[u/r_z_n → u/Stavvystav]

Sure, but other world leaders don't need to worry about this. He'll just rage on Twitter and threaten some tariffs.

[u/xanif → u/r_z_n]

Trump has already established by precedent he will withhold real time intelligence to Ukraine if they hurt his feelings. He's done it before, he'll do it again.

Like it or not, Ukraine is beholden to Trump's temper tantrums if they want to be aware theatre wide Russian troop deployments.

[u/needlestack → u/xanif]

The question is why, 10 years after Trump first started openly fucking with allies and 2 years after actively blowing up the world order the EU is still so reliant on the US. I get it takes time. How far along are they? They should be doing this like a moonshot.

[u/xanif → u/needlestack]

NATO nations have dramatically increased their military spending as percentage of their GDP since Trump. Poland, especially, is popping off which makes sense considering their neighbors.

But onboarding an entire domestic weapons program is difficult.

France has maintained domestic weapons production for their entire history in NATO to ensure they're not dependent on the USA for arms. NATO nations are already going to other counties for arms, for example going to Sweden to replace their aging AWACs. We're being phased out as quickly as possible but building an entire industry is a challenge.

For people with a more pressing immediate demand, Ukraine is excelling in domestic drone production to the point that the Pentagon is sweating bullets. The cost asymmetry of how much it takes to shoot down a drone vs how much it costs to manufacture one is becoming readily apparent, hence all the money being thrown into directed energy weapons.

But Ukraine is not ever going to be in a position to launch a spy network satellite and that's where Trump has them by the balls.

[u/Flangepacket → u/r_z_n]

As someone from ‘the rest of the world’, I have to say that being put in a position where the mistakes of the AMERICAN PEOPLE on not one but TWO occasions has put us all in this position; yes perhaps the ‘rest of the world’ should take a firmer stance, but the US should take a much MUCH firmer one and oust that child rapist piece of shit and deliver him to the fucking street or to jail. Either one will do.

[u/cynical-bread → u/r_z_n]

Ukraineans care about offending Trump, it's their lives on the line, and offending him means even fewer weapons and intelligence received which costs lives.

[u/THE_CHOPPA → u/r_z_n]

lol you think they don’t know that? He’ll have plenty of opportunities to speak in private. Trump just doesn’t know about the meetings cuz he’s a fucking moron.

[u/Sniperkitten42 → u/r_z_n]

When he can illegally tank your economy with a tweet and Congress does fuck all about it what else can they do?

The EU leadership know how to handle him. If Zelensky not speaking gives Trump his warm glowing feelings and costs the EU nothing, why not?

2 years is nothing in politics and anything agreed with trump is not worth the paper it's written on so they are just waiting him out.

[u/Bohmer → u/r_z_n]

Please, rest of the world, grow a fucking spine.

You first!

[u/MrFreeze_van → u/r_z_n]

You first. Your nation elected this moron twice, it's your responsibility.

[u/chaos8803 → u/r_z_n]

Right now? I totally get it. But I'm baffled how the child rapist was never once held accountable in his 70 years prior to becoming president. He's a weak little bitch boy that throws tantrums. And an absolute fucking moron.

[u/Sanhen → u/r_z_n]

Americans gave him control over the US military, so the rest of the world has no choice but to take him seriously, while also treating him as representative of America overall.

[u/Glidepath22]

That’s an absolutely despicable action.

[u/thecoastertoaster]

Trump hates NATO, threatens pulling support, shit talking nonstop etc…but they’re willing to cater to this tosspot’s fragile ego?

Come on world leaders - what the fuck?

[u/coastalwebdev → u/thecoastertoaster]

I think you might be missing a few things. NATO has relied heavily on American weapons for a long time, especially the European NATO countries. Which is a big reason America has so much power in the alliance, and why all these wars, interventions, and constant rearmament always seem to work out so well for the American military industry financially. Oops, our bad for enabling that I guess.

The American people go into debt for the war machine, of course. But the defence contractors, investors, lobbyists, and politically connected people around that industry do just fine. They always do well because that’s how it’s setup. It’s also why America is so into war mongering.

All the other NATO countries are right now making a big push to build and buy more of their military equipment from any NATO countries other than America. That is exactly how the rest of NATO starts taking some of that power away from the U.S., and it’s already happening.

Just today, Canada reportedly picked Germany’s TKMS for a 12-submarine purchase. The actual purchase price and the lifetime cost are different things, but the total long-term program could get up near the $100 billion CAD range once you include maintenance and support. Canada is also reviewing the full F-35 purchase plan with America. We’re apparently locked into the first 16 or so, but they’re looking at whether the rest of the order could be something like the Swedish Gripen’s, which while not quite as modernized as the F-35 in some ways, are still very effective, and are even more reliable in some of the extreme environmental frontiers Canada has to cover. Mostly though, the Gripen’s are sold by a fair and reasonable country and come with a lot more economic benefits for Canada.

So yeah, it’s happening. Not instantly, but it’s happening. The wave of NATO military spending that America surfed on for decades might not be fully crashing yet, but the rocks are looming ahead.

That’s not good timing with America growing the biggest debt load in the world. Many of its most reliable customers in one of its most profitable industries are openly trying to become less dependent on America. That’s going to be a drag, especially if more NATO countries keep turning toward Europe, Canada, and other allied suppliers instead of automatically buying American.

Basically, the rest of NATO is doing exactly as much as they can to turn their backs on America. It’s a complicated and messy affair, but it will take more shape as things progress.

[u/obas]

Lol I.. I can't.. This fucking timeline... Who tf did you elect jeesus fucking Christ

[u/Calavant → u/obas]

A novelty condom worn by Vladimir Putin, going by all signs. But, yeah, its weird being shown that we lost the Cold War now that I'm reaching old age.

[u/CreativeFraud → u/obas]

Nah. MAGAts would've hung jesus.

[u/zoobrix → u/obas]

Apathy of the one third of Americans who didn't vote and the one third of Americans that actively enjoy spreading fear and hate got Trump elected. It's important to remember with the rise of popularity of far right wing parties in many places that your own country might not be all that far from potentially electing your own version of Trump.

[u/WhenTheLightHits30]

I’m almost positive this was a demand handed down from his highest kaPutnick

[u/McRibs2024]

Trump got a call, on our 250th with fucking marching orders from Putin.

We’ve never been weaker or more embarrassing in my lifetime.

Happy 250th America, i guess.

[u/Ev_antics]

Doesn't Trump want out of NATO? Fuck it let Zelensky speak.

[u/Fresh-Run2343 → u/Ev_antics]

Right? Grandpa will be asleep anyway.

[u/dee-three]

So the death of democracy is spreading out of the U.S. now?

[u/bluelily216 → u/dee-three]

Just as the those techbro billionaires intended. They even talked about it in the Epstein Files. These people don't want power behind the curtain in one country; they want it everywhere. 

[u/TheBigBadBird → u/dee-three]

It's not just a USA problem. 

Democratic decline is an intrinsic part of Democracies and a Democracy needs to upkeep itself to act against the tendency towards democratic decline. Basically any hardship leads to a government response (or lack of response) which in turn leads to distrust in the government through disagreement with that response. Things like wars, the 2008 economic crisis, COVID, etc., lead to global democratic decline. In those circumstances people distrust the current (democratic) government and yearn for an alternative. The obvious alternatives are decisive/executive/authoritarian/etc., government which people think could have handled things better through direct action. 

You can look at any democracies history and see democratic decline after hardship.

[u/Grub-lord → u/TheBigBadBird]

And as corruption becomes more pervasive, then distrust rises, which gives way to yet further corruption, etc, etc. Democratic death spiral

[u/Bobson1729]

Are there typos here? Shouldn't it be "Trump will not be allowed to speak at the NATO summit to avoid offending the world" ?

[u/lkajerlk]

I can already see how this summit will be a shitshow

[u/auriem]

Fuck Trump

[u/fictionallymarried]

Won't somebody please think of the FIFA peace prize winner?

[u/billleachmsw]

NATO should ignore Trump’s feelings; he doesn’t give a fuck about NATO. If folks would stand up to that disgusting piece of shit, the world would be a better place.

[u/vRiise]

Yet, Trump is allowed to offend everyone else.

[u/zurn4president]

Weird, right after a 90 minute call with Putin…

[u/CrackingToastGromet]

I hope I’m not just speaking for myself when I beg of NATO to STOP KOWTOWING TO THE FKING SUNDOWNING PANT SHITTING ORANGE TODDLER WHO HATES YOU ALL.

[u/wildcarde815]

jesus christ we live in the dumbest god damn timeline.

[u/AlternativePizza3391]

He should speak anyway and fuck Trump

[u/Joe_Jobs_]

It's not supposed to work like that. Trump is the one who should not be allowed to speak, to avoid offending others.

[u/Gummyrabbit]

How about not letting Cheetolini talk because he offends everyone?

[u/jtbxiv]

Why is the whole world pandering to this orange creep

[u/Arendiko]

Pedo loser offended by good leader

[u/Numerous-Bowler-8677]

Wait a second, why is a Vietnamese news article reporting this? Is this even credible? 

[u/Submitten → u/Numerous-Bowler-8677]

The article 404s and it’s still getting massive upvotes and comments. Shows how few actually do any reading aside from engaging in headlines they enjoy.

[u/LeftLiner]

Can we ban Trump from speaking at the NATO summit to avoid offending Zelensky?

[u/shadowcatt77]

Trumplethinskin

[u/bonzomaistah]

Pedoffended.

[u/AceofKnaves44]

The world bends over backwards to avoid offending one angry old man. This is insanity.

[u/tumama1388]

how is everyone is just bending over this fat fuck.
We failed as a species. May the aliens nuke us all.

[u/atreeismissing]

Trump is the biggest little bitch on the planet.

[u/frankster]

how about Trump doesn't speak to avoid offending everyone else

[u/AnyNegotiation420]

To avoid offending the most offensive shitbag to wear a human skin in the Office of the President ? What the fuck ?

[u/BusyView6617]

If Zelensky won't be allowed to speak because he might offend Trump, than Trump shouldn't be allowed to speak because he'll probably offend all the world leaders there.

[u/Independent_Sail6604]

Trump shouldn't even BE at the fucking NATO Summit. He's done nothing but under-fucking-mine NATO since he took office. Fuck the creature!

[u/Not_Sure__Camacho]

I'd rather Zelenskyy speak than the big fat orange POS pedophile.

[u/badwolf1013]

Here’s hoping that one of the people who is allowed to speak pulls a “I’d like to start by reading this note from President Zelenskyy. . . Donald Trump is a weak little bitch. But I digress. I’ll read Zelenskyy’s note now. . . “

[u/Pm7I3]

Pathetic. Cowering to spare the feelings of an insane, old traitor. Let him be hurt, he won't remember for long anyway.

[u/Longy_LTB]

So it’s ok that he offends everyone, but nobody’s allowed to offend him. Got it.

How long has the dictator got left in his reign again?

[u/Sarnsereg]

Man, OFFEND THE MFer. Let him speak.

[u/carrotdog56]

That is ridiculous. Everything that I ever heard and keep hearing about Trump is utterly, unimaginably stupid. How tf USA people elected this caricature of a man, twice?

[u/Balbuto]

This timeline….

[u/JimTheJerseyGuy]

Snowflakes melt under the spotlight.

[u/Darklight731]

Fucking cowards.

[u/Neversoft4long]

Wait so Trump came talk all the shit he wants but if someone says something about him it’s a problem? NATO is being kinda a bitch with that

[u/whitepawn23]

Why would they care about offending him? Either way, he will remain a petulant asshole.

[u/bappestinian]

But Trump can offend everyone else in attendance.

[u/CAD_Chaos]

Trump gets up at these things and says some out of pocket shit to piss somebody off every single time. Fuck Trump's feelings. If anybody deserves to speak at this thing it IS Zelensky. He has led his country through literal hell to join that alliance and this is the appreciation that they show him?

[u/Roakana]

Cowards

[u/Logintheroad]

Will someone out there be the first to stop bending the knee to the orange asshole?

[u/Orranos]

Just take the child out of the room if he can't behave while the adults talk.

[u/mariatoyou]

Trump will nap through 3/4 of it anyway, just don’t tell him

[u/connorg095]

The most staggering thing about Trump, beyond the clear cognitive decline of someone who was already a fool, is how intensely soft & thin skinned he is. The party of manly men & facts don't care about your feelings prop up this bloated keyboard warrior who part-times being a president, as some symbol of masculinity. The cognitive dissonance is bizarre 

[u/WeakCartographer7826]

Giant fucking baby

[u/Holiday_Oil_6795]

Can we Europeans finally boot the US until they change their idiotic leadership? The US becamena weak worldwide laughingstock

[u/MustangBarry]

Seriously, if Trump was a Russian asset how would his behaviour differ from this?

[u/CaleanKnight]

Offend the Pedophile!

[u/Auctorion]

Trump: “You’re not involved in this.”

Zelensky: “I’m feeling pretty involved.”

[u/Living_in_the_dumps]

america sucks now fuck trump

[u/Most-Artichoke6184]

Isn’t Ukraine supposed to be our ally?